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Omaha Steve

(99,635 posts)
Thu Oct 13, 2022, 11:04 PM Oct 2022

Arizona woman gets 30 days in jail for collecting 4 ballots

Source: AP

By BOB CHRISTIE

PHOENIX (AP) — A southwestern Arizona woman who pleaded guilty to collecting four early ballots in the 2020 primary was sentenced Thursday to 30 days in jail and two years’ probation, with the judge saying he did not think she had accepted responsibility for her crime.

The sentence for Guillermina Fuentes, a 66-year-old school board member and former mayor of the small border city of San Luis, caps a lengthy case that caught the eye of investigators the day of the August 2020 primary and eventually led to charges against Fuentes and another San Luis woman.

Republicans who question former President Donald Trump’s loss in Arizona and other battleground states seized on the case as evidence of widespread voter fraud, even though it came in the primary and is the sole case of “ballot harvesting” ever prosecuted in the state.

Yuma County Superior Court Judge Roger Nelson told Fuentes that despite a parade of character witnesses and her lawyer’s plea that she be spared from jail, she had not accepted responsibility.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/elections-arizona-voting-donald-trump-primary-0b9d9a133fd0c370a195fa9264caa645?utm_source=Connatix&utm_medium=HomePage

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Arizona woman gets 30 days in jail for collecting 4 ballots (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2022 OP
Wow, that was brutal PatSeg Oct 2022 #1
I'm Surprised a former mayor would do such a thing. jimfields33 Oct 2022 #2
"Would do such a thing"? Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #4
It'd illegal in Michigan , Massachusetts, New Hampshire and some other states Kaleva Oct 2022 #7
Doesn't matter. It's illegal there. Get the law changed. jimfields33 Oct 2022 #10
You can go ahead and imply support of voter-suppression laws passed by rabid AZ RePuQ's Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #22
think about what you are saying... Conjuay Oct 2022 #26
Fuck that judge, what she did shouldn't even BE a crime, and I'm glad if she didn't Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #3
I agree. Damn she helped four people to vote. mjvpi Oct 2022 #5
It shouldn't, but it is Polybius Oct 2022 #12
Fair point, he had to 'do something' ... but is prison time required under the law? nt Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #13
Did she? tirebiter Oct 2022 #6
Judge is a piece of shit Puppyjive Oct 2022 #8
I'm not going to support an elected official who breaks the law Kaleva Oct 2022 #9
Did you support Obama? Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #14
Was he an elected official at the time? Kaleva Oct 2022 #16
So, her being a school board member in a microscopic district is the tipping point for you, is it? Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #18
You are free to express support for elected officials who commit a crime Kaleva Oct 2022 #20
I guess we'll agree to disagree then (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #23
100% mail-in voting solves this. maxsolomon Oct 2022 #11
Postage Pre-Paid on return is a key factor ... Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #15
Right, and here the law is leveraged against a minority maxsolomon Oct 2022 #17
First time EVER enforced in the State of AZ ... and it was a PRIMARY Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #19
Just saw that the USPS doesn't serve San Luis? maxsolomon Oct 2022 #24
If the AZCentral article I quoted is true, then yes. There's a post office, but not delivery Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2022 #25
Gotta love the site's wingnuts coming out in force defending the Judge tenderfoot Oct 2022 #21
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
4. "Would do such a thing"?
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 12:46 AM
Oct 2022

It's not even illegal in most states, and the fact this is illegal in the first place in AZ is a travesty.

This was a political persecution by RWNJ's and election deniers.

Fuck this.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
7. It'd illegal in Michigan , Massachusetts, New Hampshire and some other states
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:00 AM
Oct 2022

11 states, including the ones I mentioned above, specify which people may return a ballot for a voter.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_harvesting_laws_by_state

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
22. You can go ahead and imply support of voter-suppression laws passed by rabid AZ RePuQ's
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 02:33 PM
Oct 2022

And signal your 100% strictly-law-abiding nature under their regime if it suits you.

We oft-agree you and me Jim, but on this one ... I'm not gonna.

Philosophically, in my world, with 100% victimless 'crimes' (and this is TRULY that), nobody should go to jail.

Conjuay

(1,386 posts)
26. think about what you are saying...
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 03:59 PM
Oct 2022

I immediatly thought of another former mayor -I t5hink the name was Ruby Ghouly-annie.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. Fuck that judge, what she did shouldn't even BE a crime, and I'm glad if she didn't
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 12:45 AM
Oct 2022

'accept responsibility' to his satisfaction, cause the whole thing is bullshit.

tirebiter

(2,537 posts)
6. Did she?
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 03:03 AM
Oct 2022

Those votes are in evidence. The individuals may get their votes in by other means but this doesn’t help any.

Puppyjive

(502 posts)
8. Judge is a piece of shit
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 06:06 AM
Oct 2022

Wow. Has it come down to throwing people in jail for delivering ballots? I don't care what party you belong to, if you need someone to deliver your ballot, so be it. If she can be forced to jail, it's high time Trump gets punished for his horrific crimes.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
9. I'm not going to support an elected official who breaks the law
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 07:38 AM
Oct 2022

I'll leave that to Magahats and others.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
16. Was he an elected official at the time?
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 01:38 PM
Oct 2022

And if had been an elected official at the time, got arrested and sentenced to jail, I wouldn't have posted support for him.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
18. So, her being a school board member in a microscopic district is the tipping point for you, is it?
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 02:11 PM
Oct 2022

You read this part?

Fuentes collected the four completed mail ballots from acquaintances in San Luis, and gave them to co-defendant Alma Juarez while working a table outside a polling place where she was urging people to vote for a slate of city council candidates. Juarez carried them inside and put them in a ballot drop-off bin.

Election officials in Yuma County confirmed that the ballots were legitimate and the mail-ballot envelopes were signed by qualified voters, so they were counted.

San Luis does not deliver mail to residents, many of whom earn low incomes and do not own cars, making trips to the post office a challenge, according to the Arizona Voter Empowerment Task Force, a group of attorneys and advocates for people facing legal issues over voting or helping others case ballots.


And this part?
Republicans who question former President Donald Trump's loss in Arizona and other battleground states seized on the case as evidence of widespread voter fraud, even though it came in the primary and is the sole case of “ballot harvesting” ever prosecuted in the state.


The reich-wing has spun this innocuous occurrence into a giant 'voter-fraud' conspiracy theory in AZ.

I say F-that, and I support Fuentes NOT going to jail. Probation was acceptable punishment as it technically is against the law, but victimless, no chicanery, she basically did the job of the postal service (which they don't have there apparently).

I support her.

Kaleva

(36,301 posts)
20. You are free to express support for elected officials who commit a crime
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 02:24 PM
Oct 2022

I'm not going to give a shit about her serving time in jail . Just because s person is a Democratic doesn't mean they are above the law.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
11. 100% mail-in voting solves this.
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 01:22 PM
Oct 2022

You put your ballot in your mailbox and the mailman collects it.

Works perfectly well in Colorado, Hawaii, Oregon, Nevada, Utah, and Washington State.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
15. Postage Pre-Paid on return is a key factor ...
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 01:37 PM
Oct 2022

Which, last election at least for sure, AZ did so. I forget if I ever had to put stamps on them prior to 2020.

AZ also has no-reason-req'd 'mail-in voting'.

So while there's not actually a reason to violate the law in this way here, technically, it's also a garbage law to begin with, with no actual victim (assuming the ballot is faithfully delivered intact).

Even though it's on the books, a law like this should be leveraged only when there's chicanery involved. Otherwise it's really just another tool to suppress turnout.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
19. First time EVER enforced in the State of AZ ... and it was a PRIMARY
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 02:22 PM
Oct 2022

Probation is more than enough, come on ...

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
25. If the AZCentral article I quoted is true, then yes. There's a post office, but not delivery
Fri Oct 14, 2022, 03:07 PM
Oct 2022

according to the account they reported.

I'm a tad skeptical but usually AZCentral's reporting is solid.

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