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blue-wave

(4,356 posts)
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 08:00 PM Oct 2022

'My son has died': Russia mourns loss of first drafted soldiers in Ukraine

Source: The Guardian

Andrei Nikiforov, a lawyer from St Petersburg, was one of the hundreds of thousands of Russians mobilised since last month to hold the frontlines in his country’s faltering war in Ukraine.

On 25 September he received his call-up papers. By 7 October, just two weeks later, he was dead.

“We don’t know what happened,” said Alexander Zelensky, the head of the Nevsky Collegium of Lawyers, of which Nikiforov was a member. Zelensky and a member of Nikiforov’s family confirmed his call-up and death. “All we have is a date and a place.”

That place was Lysychansk, one of the most dangerous spots near the frontlines.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/15/my-son-has-died-russia-mourns-loss-of-first-drafted-soldiers-in-ukraine



Article continues on to cite more conscripted casualties. This has to be the death knell for the Putin regime. How much abuse can the average Russian tolerate?
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'My son has died': Russia mourns loss of first drafted soldiers in Ukraine (Original Post) blue-wave Oct 2022 OP
The death of a Ukranian boy is really sickening to me Grasswire2 Oct 2022 #1
Yeah, I saw his picture blue-wave Oct 2022 #2
Only Two Ways To Eject Russia... GB_RN Oct 2022 #3
Supposedly not. The USSR no longer exists.... paleotn Oct 2022 #5
The Information I Gave Is From Wiser Heads Than Mine. GB_RN Oct 2022 #6
"Post-soviet optimism", one of the deadliest mistakes of the 20th century ck4829 Oct 2022 #10
Going to be a lot more..... paleotn Oct 2022 #4
Comeback song keithbvadu2 Oct 2022 #7
"A military veteran who had served in Chechnya.." Grins Oct 2022 #8
The only reasons wars never end Heather MC Oct 2022 #9
Care factor zero Violet_Crumble Oct 2022 #11
Opinin is turning Shop olive Oct 2022 #12
Especially in Ukraine. marble falls Oct 2022 #13
How much abuse? maxsolomon Oct 2022 #14
Another Russian rapist dead. lol Oneironaut Oct 2022 #15

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
1. The death of a Ukranian boy is really sickening to me
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 08:03 PM
Oct 2022

He lay for five days with two broken legs and other injuries administered to him by Russians. No assistance whatsoever.

Barbarians. How can they not be ejected from UN privileges?

blue-wave

(4,356 posts)
2. Yeah, I saw his picture
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 08:13 PM
Oct 2022

Very sickening and heartbreaking. I am convinced Russia must be declared a terrorist state.

GB_RN

(2,355 posts)
3. Only Two Ways To Eject Russia...
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 08:15 PM
Oct 2022

The first would require redoing the entire UN charter. A renegotiation of the entire thing; years of work. The second would be a procedural move within the Security Council, which if we invoke it, then the precedent set by it would put us at risk for being removed from the Security Council by a hostile member.

Neither option is really viable.

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
5. Supposedly not. The USSR no longer exists....
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 09:20 PM
Oct 2022

The Russian Federation is a new entity. A rump state of former USSR republics that holds the seat by UN resolution. Supposedly, they can be ejected by UN resolution. If we were talking the other 4 permanent members, I'd agree with you. Russia is not one of them.

GB_RN

(2,355 posts)
6. The Information I Gave Is From Wiser Heads Than Mine.
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 10:04 PM
Oct 2022

Russia's seat on the SC, even if inherited from the USSR, is held by precedent at this point. No way we're going to take a chance on ejecting them and have it come back to bite us in the ass. Guaranteed, it would.

paleotn

(17,920 posts)
4. Going to be a lot more.....
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 09:15 PM
Oct 2022

It's another tragedy within a tragedy. Poorly trained, poorly equipped draftees and voluntolds thrown in against a better trained, highly motivated adversary. A bloodbath for the Russians. Just when you thought this shit couldn't get worse.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
8. "A military veteran who had served in Chechnya.."
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 10:42 PM
Oct 2022

Doesn’t give his age but Chechnya was a while ago. He had spent time in the army before so he was no 20-something draftee.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
9. The only reasons wars never end
Sat Oct 15, 2022, 11:02 PM
Oct 2022

Wealthy men can always find young bodies to throw at bullets.
How amazing would it be if the soldiers decided not to fight.
That would certainly put an end to all wars wouldn't it

🤷🏾‍♀️

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
11. Care factor zero
Sun Oct 16, 2022, 02:30 AM
Oct 2022

Sorry, but I've run out of fucks to give. He was a lawyer. He probs had the resources to leave Russia but he didn't. I'm saving all my fucks for the Ukranian civilians who've been tortured and murdered by Russian soldiers...

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