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underpants

(182,884 posts)
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:59 PM Nov 2012

Petraeus resigns after affair **with biographer** turned up in FBI probe, Fox News confirms

Source: Fox News

CIA Director David Petraeus resigned Friday after admitting to an extramarital affair -- an affair with his biographer that was revealed over the course of an FBI investigation, Fox News has learned.

The FBI had been investigating an unrelated and much broader case before stumbling on the affair. Fox News has learned that during the course of this investigation, the name of journalist and Petraeus biographer Paula Broadwell came up. The FBI followed that lead and in doing so, uncovered his affair with her. The FBI for some time was concerned that perhaps Petraeus was some sort of victim, but there has been no evidence discovered to back up such concerns.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/09/petraeus-resigns-as-cia-director/







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Petraeus resigns after affair **with biographer** turned up in FBI probe, Fox News confirms (Original Post) underpants Nov 2012 OP
'ALL IN'.... indeed tomm2thumbs Nov 2012 #1
lol. My thought as well. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #6
Surge underpants Nov 2012 #17
and early withdrawal tomm2thumbs Nov 2012 #27
They say he couldn't keep his "drone" in his pants n/t flamingdem Nov 2012 #39
Ba dum pppsssh underpants Nov 2012 #12
More like rocktivity Nov 2012 #51
And "the education of David Petraeus..." with that photo next to it. yardwork Nov 2012 #23
winning thread. :D She sure looks ... confident. MY grandma would say she looks no better than she roguevalley Nov 2012 #81
LOL Shilo Nov 2012 #24
Book titles of the century: RoxyNexus Nov 2012 #40
Cant blame the General ;Paula Broadwell, she is so "Shock and Awe'!!!!!! SCALA13 Nov 2012 #66
No! You got it wrong... MrMickeysMom Nov 2012 #128
A question jehop61 Nov 2012 #2
Didn't he learn anything from the John Edwards mess? Heather MC Nov 2012 #91
People like this think they are immune. jonthebru Nov 2012 #93
I know I heard he was one of the R's marlakay Nov 2012 #122
My first thought was that it was her rusty fender Nov 2012 #3
I saw that episode too. Now it all makes sense. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #8
Just saw her in Ed's earlier report and that was my first thought, too wordpix Nov 2012 #45
"All In" has some new reviews at Amazon... Enrique Nov 2012 #4
......heh...... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #129
Oh my... SoapBox Nov 2012 #5
So the problem isn't so much the affair.... Blasphemer Nov 2012 #7
It's an exploitable liability. sofa king Nov 2012 #77
Interesting Liberalagogo Nov 2012 #9
No, not daddy, gold issues... Actionman Nov 2012 #13
Cue Kanye... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #44
Au contraire nichomachus Nov 2012 #58
Was Greenspan married to Andrea Mitchell when he had the affair? SaveAmerica Nov 2012 #76
He's also a pretty smart dude from what I've read about him... octothorpe Nov 2012 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author Actionman Nov 2012 #126
More likely just proximity issues LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #36
Proximity is definitely a catalyst. Doc Holliday Nov 2012 #64
I'm right there with you on the puritanism LadyHawkAZ Nov 2012 #65
I don't think that "who is diddling whom" is the only thing in question. n/t janx Nov 2012 #70
I put it as more of a Hero Worshipping thing SaveAmerica Nov 2012 #75
wondering if there might be a baby on the way... who knows tomm2thumbs Nov 2012 #10
Wow is that standard Actionman Nov 2012 #11
That is standard for a 4 star General running a war/occupation underpants Nov 2012 #15
Petraeus' biographer Paula Broadwell under FBI investigation over access to his email Bosonic Nov 2012 #14
"Improperly trying to access his email"? Looking for little tidbits to publish to gain fame? glinda Nov 2012 #25
no doubt how they found out about things in the first place tomm2thumbs Nov 2012 #28
Paula the Daily Show in Jan of 2012. Better interview now than it was then. olddad56 Nov 2012 #16
Thanks for the link. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #22
thanks for the interview video link tomm2thumbs Nov 2012 #29
In retrospect, it certainly is! janx Nov 2012 #59
Just having an affair isn't enough to cause a resignation like this. Kablooie Nov 2012 #18
I'd say it was more the blabbing of Petraeus to Her than her going off on her own, though... KoKo Nov 2012 #46
He was supposed to testify about Benghazi next week. Not now since he resigned. IndyJones Nov 2012 #68
Adultery is against military code in some cases Ash_F Nov 2012 #69
He's retired. sarge43 Nov 2012 #86
Beg to differ. bitchkitty Nov 2012 #83
What makes this something that affects his job? Kablooie Nov 2012 #115
I repeat, he was Director of the CIA. bitchkitty Nov 2012 #125
Well, it seems to be getting into possible treason territory now. Kablooie Nov 2012 #140
Wingnut friend just implied it's all an Obama plot Patiod Nov 2012 #103
K&R DeSwiss Nov 2012 #19
Wow. That's "Fox" news all right............ TheCowsCameHome Nov 2012 #20
Yeah sorry about that but I saw that when I got home underpants Nov 2012 #21
She is a fox, is what I meant............. TheCowsCameHome Nov 2012 #32
Its obvious why he had to resign railsback Nov 2012 #26
Affair? Nonsense. It was just intense undercover journalism. BlueStreak Nov 2012 #37
was she the "Honey Pot?" And, who would have known? Doesn't help her career much, though... KoKo Nov 2012 #47
Sounds like she already DID rocktivity Nov 2012 #54
Really, jail? I think resignation is enough. octothorpe Nov 2012 #108
Its not like the FBI is going to divulge their case to the public. railsback Nov 2012 #113
So I expect that the General will be locked up naked in solitary confinment RoxyNexus Nov 2012 #30
Nah...Manning wasn't Privileged like the General. KoKo Nov 2012 #55
Wow. Had a post deleted because I suggested Nixon did the same thing with a 21 YO who went on Whovian Nov 2012 #31
yeah heaven05 Nov 2012 #34
he heaven05 Nov 2012 #33
Baloney. This guy is he head of the freaking CIA BlueStreak Nov 2012 #38
oh please heaven05 Nov 2012 #42
Then why is the FBI investigating? n/t janx Nov 2012 #63
Exactly... this is more than "indiscreet". groundloop Nov 2012 #43
Agree......It's not about a "loose dick" but about CIA gone loose to compromising situation. n/t KoKo Nov 2012 #49
ooohhhh! heaven05 Nov 2012 #89
If you're in such a position of power, you're always held to a higher standard AND should be. octothorpe Nov 2012 #109
true heaven05 Nov 2012 #120
Our nation would be more secure, if it weren't for those pesky little blue pills. nt valerief Nov 2012 #35
Does anyone else find it strange that the FBI wound up investigating the head of the CIA groundloop Nov 2012 #41
I read that in the story too - the FBI hits the CIA underpants Nov 2012 #53
The FBI is in charge Sgent Nov 2012 #72
He resigned because he was discovered.....without the investigation...this would have Gin Nov 2012 #48
Power Corrupts...he was at "Top of his Career--Top of the World." The Mighty do Fall from Grace KoKo Nov 2012 #50
nice wood paneling behind them (Off topic) Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #52
They make a handsome couple. truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #56
I don't think they look like a handsome couple. janx Nov 2012 #60
I couldn't care less. Beacool Nov 2012 #57
General Petraeus wasn't every man. janx Nov 2012 #61
They weren't investigating him. Beacool Nov 2012 #74
And if every woman who cheated had to resign there wouldn't be too many women fully employed either. Fumesucker Nov 2012 #117
True to a point. Beacool Nov 2012 #123
I'm sick of hearing this slander against men. XtopherXtopher Nov 2012 #130
The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks. Beacool Nov 2012 #136
lol - fair enough XtopherXtopher Nov 2012 #139
You're right. DavidDvorkin Nov 2012 #138
Those surveys are great for measuring the differences each gender 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #145
There are far more men in power than women 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #144
The General Was ALL Into Her... Iggy Nov 2012 #62
...And now The Man has no eyes at the top of the Company. sofa king Nov 2012 #67
Either the Missus or CIA foe internally caught wind of this affair and reported it - made suggestion Pachamama Nov 2012 #71
I would have to buy new clothes. jonthebru Nov 2012 #73
She wrote a book on Petraeus? jimbo92107 Nov 2012 #78
now she has to do a "Tell All" book, too. aletier_v Nov 2012 #79
Google his wife Holly. I love weed Nov 2012 #80
That's incredibly rude. tanyev Nov 2012 #118
where are the family values folks on this issue? I hear crickets tomm2thumbs Nov 2012 #82
I wonder if she visited Bob Woodward's house. nt LaydeeBug Nov 2012 #84
she's a west point and harvard grad mainer Nov 2012 #85
Agreed, I think its easy to say, "I would never do that". Bosso 63 Nov 2012 #87
So, the General delivered his payload with rateyes Nov 2012 #88
ha ha ha heaven05 Nov 2012 #90
I really feel bad for the wife... kjackson227 Nov 2012 #92
What's the real reason? Ter Nov 2012 #94
Author or Sex zebrastripe Nov 2012 #95
What was the larger investigation and why did Broadwell become a EmeraldCityGrl Nov 2012 #96
I found another video of mrs Broadwell :p darkangel218 Nov 2012 #97
9:45 " a bunch of heavy breathing.." darkangel218 Nov 2012 #98
Wow, this thing is filled with potential jokes. aletier_v Nov 2012 #101
She's Cra-craa-craaaz Tutonic Nov 2012 #99
He didn't make a very good spook! Gin Nov 2012 #100
Both are West Point grads. Does that say Jumping John Nov 2012 #102
ROFL darkangel218 Nov 2012 #104
LMFAO XtopherXtopher Nov 2012 #131
And it was her Bday yesterday when this story broke out darkangel218 Nov 2012 #105
Apparently Mrs Broadwell THREATENED another female acquaintance to Petraeus in an e-mail that bigdarryl Nov 2012 #106
Yes. And from what i heard she sent that threatning email from Petraeus gmail account nt darkangel218 Nov 2012 #110
I really feel bad for their families tho. I dont care how many things they had in common darkangel218 Nov 2012 #111
What he did was wrong but the level of temptation here must have been crazy. Locut0s Nov 2012 #112
Another women with unsurpassed access womanofthehills Nov 2012 #114
Lol. This whole thing raises an interesting hypothetical question for me. Would women make better... Locut0s Nov 2012 #116
she's like a nutso Sean Young mainer Nov 2012 #119
I always thought he needed a haircut Joey Liberal Nov 2012 #121
Looks like Broadwell and Ann Coulter can exchange tips on posing for book sleeves. pam4water Nov 2012 #124
On SNL they said the original title of the book was "Just the Tip." tclambert Nov 2012 #127
To be honest boomerbust Nov 2012 #132
True Joey Liberal Nov 2012 #133
"Wanting" doesn't have to result in going after DavidDvorkin Nov 2012 #135
I am finding this scandal rather boring Politicub Nov 2012 #134
Give it time... GliderGuider Nov 2012 #137
Well, the woman in Tampa who is linked to Gen. Allen amandabeech Nov 2012 #141
Think of David's wife Franker65 Nov 2012 #142
Ah, so she essentially got what she deserved, right? myrna minx Nov 2012 #146
"All in" . . . she just had to chose that name didn't she? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #143
Kick this totally Republican scandal Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #147

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
81. winning thread. :D She sure looks ... confident. MY grandma would say she looks no better than she
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:37 AM
Nov 2012

is.

*SNAP!*

Score one for Edna Anita Paxton. RIP, my darling.

SCALA13

(69 posts)
66. Cant blame the General ;Paula Broadwell, she is so "Shock and Awe'!!!!!!
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:24 PM
Nov 2012

But for real I wonder if this will ruin Patreus presidential ambitions, in conflict with "family value" republicans?

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
91. Didn't he learn anything from the John Edwards mess?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:34 PM
Nov 2012

Personally I am already sick of hearing pundits say he did the honorable thing and confess. The honorable thing would have been to keep it in his pants. duh!!!!

I don't believe people should have to lose their career if they cheat on a spouse. However if you know you have a job that you could lose if you cheat. You deserve to lose it.

jonthebru

(1,034 posts)
93. People like this think they are immune.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:17 PM
Nov 2012

They never consider the unintended consequences.
I feel that we have a perverted society. A situation like this should not affect anyone outside of the immediate families.
He and she had a lapse of values and they will suffer for the short moments they appreciated one another...

marlakay

(11,498 posts)
122. I know I heard he was one of the R's
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:25 PM
Nov 2012

for possible 2016 run….screwed that up…and who knows maybe why Cantor turned him in…so many lingering questions here….

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
3. My first thought was that it was her
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:04 PM
Nov 2012

but I didn't post my hunch in case it wasn't her. I saw her on the Daily Show and remembered how much she admired Petraeus.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
45. Just saw her in Ed's earlier report and that was my first thought, too
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:27 PM
Nov 2012

She's pretty and "went running" with him. I thought, "yeah, and what else?"

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
5. Oh my...
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:05 PM
Nov 2012

I shouldn't but someone else will...

"the Education of".

Oh boy. Late night TV is gonna have fun with that.

Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
7. So the problem isn't so much the affair....
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:10 PM
Nov 2012

but the fact that it might have caused him to get a case of loose lips. Presumably the FBI fully investigated Ms. Broadwell to ensure that she did not pose any threat to national security but the CIA director shouldn't be putting them in that position in the first place.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
77. It's an exploitable liability.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:51 AM
Nov 2012

I don't think that counterintelligence types particularly care about the legality or morality of a subject's behavior, it is whether or not they are doing something that can be used against them. Who knows what this guy would do (or did) to protect his secret; he was in a position to give it all away, and he did not disclose, so he's off the island.

As far as limited hangouts go, this one is certainly weak, but it is one made to stick. The General was acting secretively, the reports made sure to mention that he tripped the sniffers for communicating secretively, and therefore from the limited information we've been given, it is plain to see that whether or not he was exploited, the Director of the CIA certainly put himself in a position where he could be exploited. So his reasons for leaving are (probably quite deliberately) easily explained.

However, since I don't work for anyone and I can freely guess my ignorant ass off, I'll say this: You know who has it coming more than most in the wake of this election? Benjamin Netanyahu.

Maybe, just maybe, the President just stepped on Benjiy's best bug.

(Edit: In the interests of humor, I direct your attention to another post by me below, in which I suggest that the General is the Bush's best boy. They could both be true, they could neither be true; the point is that I don't know and neither will anyone else for a long time.)

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
9. Interesting
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:10 PM
Nov 2012

He's 60.....she's got to be at best 20 years younger. And she's married too.

Daddy issues anyone?

Actionman

(115 posts)
13. No, not daddy, gold issues...
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:14 PM
Nov 2012

As in gold digger, how often does she get to travel in that kind of private comfort with people waiting her every order... She likes how he was living.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
58. Au contraire
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:17 PM
Nov 2012

It's power. Power is one of the greatest aphrodisiacs. Powerful men -- as well as rich and powerful men -- have no trouble attracting the ladies. Greenspan, Kissinger, Onasis, etc.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
76. Was Greenspan married to Andrea Mitchell when he had the affair?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:49 AM
Nov 2012

She seemed to be emotional and trying not to cry when she read the letter when the news broke today.

octothorpe

(962 posts)
107. He's also a pretty smart dude from what I've read about him...
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:30 PM
Nov 2012

He also seems to be in pretty good shape for an old dude.

Response to nichomachus (Reply #58)

Doc Holliday

(719 posts)
64. Proximity is definitely a catalyst.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:07 PM
Nov 2012

But there are lots of things in play...in my experience, at least.

I do wish that my fellow Americans could disabuse themselves of the notion that one of our strongest human instincts is somehow inherently sinful.

There's a joke down here: "In Lubbock, you learn two things-- 1) Sex is wrong, and 2) You should only do it with someone you're married to."

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
65. I'm right there with you on the puritanism
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:17 PM
Nov 2012

If we didn't keep pushing the monogamy standard as the only acceptable normal, problems like this wouldn't happen.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
75. I put it as more of a Hero Worshipping thing
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:47 AM
Nov 2012

Sometimes we marry people who are opposite of us in nature and then are attracted to someone who is very much like us. They have many similarities and seem to be type A people.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/11/09/3655509/petraeus-biographer-broadwell.html

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
10. wondering if there might be a baby on the way... who knows
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:11 PM
Nov 2012

If Edwards, as Presidential candidate, is any indication of potential outcomes.

Actionman

(115 posts)
11. Wow is that standard
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:12 PM
Nov 2012

air travel accommodations? Wood detail, leather captains chairs all around, I wonder if the bagheads would complain about the cost of travel and amenities on that plane for Petraeus like they complained about the President on Air Force One.

underpants

(182,884 posts)
15. That is standard for a 4 star General running a war/occupation
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:16 PM
Nov 2012

They don't slum around bus depots with a duffle bag

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
14. Petraeus' biographer Paula Broadwell under FBI investigation over access to his email
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:15 PM
Nov 2012

The biographer for resigning CIA Director David Petraeus is under FBI investigation for improperly trying to access his email and possibly gaining access to classified information, law enforcement officials told NBC News on Friday.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/09/15056607-petraeus-biographer-paula-broadwell-under-fbi-investigation-over-access-to-his-email-law-enforcement-officials-say

glinda

(14,807 posts)
25. "Improperly trying to access his email"? Looking for little tidbits to publish to gain fame?
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:30 PM
Nov 2012

If she did get any info I would think she could be in serious trouble. He also.....

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
28. no doubt how they found out about things in the first place
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:32 PM
Nov 2012

this goes much further than a simple sex story.... I think he let more than his pants down

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
18. Just having an affair isn't enough to cause a resignation like this.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:21 PM
Nov 2012

There has to be more too it.
If the woman had been interviewing him intimately ... very intimately ... it's possible that he revealed some classified information to her.
The revelation may have had consequences too.

Just speculation but she could have been interviewing important people for future books and inadvertently asked a question that revealed classified info to someone who shouldn't have it.

Could his blabbing have played a part in Bengazi?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
46. I'd say it was more the blabbing of Petraeus to Her than her going off on her own, though...
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:29 PM
Nov 2012

Why blame her if he was the Blabber wanting to get his fame & more fortune for him out there with that book that she was writing about him?

IndyJones

(1,068 posts)
68. He was supposed to testify about Benghazi next week. Not now since he resigned.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:29 PM
Nov 2012

Just read an article on Yahoo that raised the question about that timing trumping the affair excuse. I guess we'll see as more information comes out.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
69. Adultery is against military code in some cases
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:41 PM
Nov 2012

Since Petraeus was a general, I believe his would be a case in which they would consider a violation. I don't know if there would be legal repercussions for him because I don't know the timeline of the affair, and because he is no longer in the military. But it is probably a big enough deal for him to want to leave the public spotlight.

Here is an article on it.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/adultery.htm

sarge43

(28,945 posts)
86. He's retired.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:31 AM
Nov 2012

Did the affair start while he was still on active duty? If so, then in theory he could be pulled back on AD and disciplined. However, I'll win the Miss America contest before that happens.

If they started messing up the sheets after he retired, the UCMJ doesn't apply.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
115. What makes this something that affects his job?
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:47 AM
Nov 2012

I assume the reason someone would quit this kind of important position is if they committed a crime or weren't able to continue to be effective.

It seems to me it's a personal indiscretion and could mess up his home life but I don't see how that relates to his official position.

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
125. I repeat, he was Director of the CIA.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:03 PM
Nov 2012

For me or for you, it would be a personal indiscretion. We might do anything to keep from being found out, but we don't hold national security within our hands. Do you get the difference?

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
140. Well, it seems to be getting into possible treason territory now.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:33 AM
Nov 2012

So whether or not the affair itself was enough to make him quit, this particular case is growing to be a huge scandal possibly about top secret information being revealed to the public by his mistress.

She gave a speech to some students about the Libyan embassy attack that was on youtube and said the embassy was holding Libyan prisoners and the attack was to free them. She said Petaes knew this. The youtube video was taken down and the CIA denies it completely.

The FBI also raided her house and left with several boxes of material.

This is not about an indiscretion. This is about treason.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
103. Wingnut friend just implied it's all an Obama plot
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:43 PM
Nov 2012

Seriously - she just went on a rant that it all had to do with Benghazi, and it' "payback".

I had no interest in further Fox-induced rants, so I tuned her out and said what I always say when I think someone is talking nonsense, which is "there you go".

After about the third "there you go", she said, "I guess you don't agree" and I said "I'm just glad to hear your power is back on and everything is okay."

I do not want to talk politics with someone whose dad tried to explain to me that Obama's was born in Kenya AND his "real" father was a Black Panther - both.

underpants

(182,884 posts)
21. Yeah sorry about that but I saw that when I got home
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:27 PM
Nov 2012

I had been wondering who his mistress was and , oddly, Fox News actually completed (and didn't subtract from) a story

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
26. Its obvious why he had to resign
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:31 PM
Nov 2012

Pillow talk and such. She also seems to have had access to privy information, which is a breach. There could be some serious consequences to both.

But, damn, look at her! Poor Patraeus, getting on in years, suddenly has this woman rubbing his inner thigh... Pecker before country. He should go to jail.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
47. was she the "Honey Pot?" And, who would have known? Doesn't help her career much, though...
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:31 PM
Nov 2012

In the end...she goes down with him...in more ways than one in this situation...

octothorpe

(962 posts)
108. Really, jail? I think resignation is enough.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:33 PM
Nov 2012

Unless there is concrete proof he said something to her that warrants jail time. No qualms with having someone resign because there may be a risk, but I'm not too big on the idea of sending someone to jail just 'cause they may have said something they shouldn't have.

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
113. Its not like the FBI is going to divulge their case to the public.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:58 AM
Nov 2012

Broadwell, now in a bit of a pickle, could level some serious accusations as to what she was privy to. This goes beyond a simple morality tale of banging outside of your marriage.

 

RoxyNexus

(39 posts)
30. So I expect that the General will be locked up naked in solitary confinment
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:34 PM
Nov 2012

while the sex and secrets scandal is being investigated.

You know, like Bradley Manning is being treated under similar circumstances.


What?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
55. Nah...Manning wasn't Privileged like the General.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:56 PM
Nov 2012

So..Manning get's the dungeon treatment. He's lucky they didn't Water Board him...but, what they did was egregious enough.

 

Whovian

(2,866 posts)
31. Wow. Had a post deleted because I suggested Nixon did the same thing with a 21 YO who went on
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:35 PM
Nov 2012

to write a biography. It was called sexist.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
33. he
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:48 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:59 PM - Edit history (1)

is only human. She is quite nice looking. No one can judge him until they get out their glass house. We have all been, at one time or another, indiscreet. He is still a 4 star general in the army and I respect the work it took to get there. I hope it doesn't destroy his family.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
38. Baloney. This guy is he head of the freaking CIA
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:55 PM
Nov 2012

There is an allegation that their relationship gave her access to classified information.

I don't care about his sexual "morality", but I most certainly will judge him based on whether he abused his office and endangered the country.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
42. oh please
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:14 PM
Nov 2012

uber patriot, I don't think he would be that stupid, but I'm sure with all the moral outrage on the way, all will be known. Judge all you want to, doesn't make you right.

groundloop

(11,523 posts)
43. Exactly... this is more than "indiscreet".
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:21 PM
Nov 2012

And not all of us have been indiscreet at one time or another. But beyond that, BlueStreak is exactly right - this guy was the head of the CIA and damned well should have known better than to let a 'biographer' get anywhere near his email etc. It's not our place to judge the actions of consenting adults, that's between themselves and their spouses, but it becomes a totally different matter when the security of our country comes into play. What a dumbass.



 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
89. ooohhhh!
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:09 AM
Nov 2012

all of you uber patriots are so right. He couldn't have had a moment of weakness that escalated into an affair. Oh I'm sorry I mentioned weakness in the presence of uber males who NEVER have been weak in any situation. If we have another war we need supermen like you at the front line, although I would want the general as leader. : Please don't bore with false outrage over a man who was indiscreet.

octothorpe

(962 posts)
109. If you're in such a position of power, you're always held to a higher standard AND should be.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:37 PM
Nov 2012

It's similar to how we expect out police officers to show restraint even if someone is trying to provoke them.

groundloop

(11,523 posts)
41. Does anyone else find it strange that the FBI wound up investigating the head of the CIA
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:14 PM
Nov 2012

Granted, according to the story that's not how it started. But still, WOW!!!

And what a fucking dumbass. (in more than one way)

underpants

(182,884 posts)
53. I read that in the story too - the FBI hits the CIA
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:51 PM
Nov 2012

I can't imagine that the FBI guys aren't loving taking down the head of the CIA

Gin

(7,212 posts)
48. He resigned because he was discovered.....without the investigation...this would have
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:31 PM
Nov 2012

Been under the radar. IMO

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
50. Power Corrupts...he was at "Top of his Career--Top of the World." The Mighty do Fall from Grace
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 09:35 PM
Nov 2012

with enough Money and/or Temptation...some of the weak spirited...think they are too Powerful to be Found Out.

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
57. I couldn't care less.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:12 PM
Nov 2012

If every man who cheated had to resign from his job there wouldn't be too many men fully employed.

janx

(24,128 posts)
61. General Petraeus wasn't every man.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:32 PM
Nov 2012

He was head of the CIA. If the FBI is involved, there's more than a concern about an everyday affair, no?

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
74. They weren't investigating him.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:39 AM
Nov 2012

They were investigating the woman with whom he had the affair.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
117. And if every woman who cheated had to resign there wouldn't be too many women fully employed either.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:33 AM
Nov 2012

Bear in mind that *both* of the participants in this affair are married to other people, not just the man.

For every straight man that "cheats" there is a straight woman involved also, the sexes are not that far apart in terms of their lack of marital fidelity.



Beacool

(30,253 posts)
123. True to a point.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 05:22 PM
Nov 2012

But men tend to cheat far more often than women. You would have to think really hard for a woman in an equally prominent position as Petraeus who would risk it all for an affair. Can you imagine an Angela Merkel, Hillary or Pelosi in that predicament? I doubt it. On the other hand, the list of public men who have had their careers destroyed, or almost destroyed, by an affair is very long.

XtopherXtopher

(70 posts)
130. I'm sick of hearing this slander against men.
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:07 AM
Nov 2012

There is absolutely no evidence that men cheat more than women, because no evidence is possible. Surveys asking people, "do you cheat?" cannot possibly expect honesty from responders, and reports about divorces, etc are about what happens in courts, not bedrooms. This is the one circumstance where the truth may never be known because everyone has a motive to keep the truth hidden.

As for women in power, I could easily say that women are only attracted to men with more power and prestige than themselves, which makes their romantic potential go down as their status goes up: the very opposite of what happens to men.

But I'm not saying that. Because it would be rude. Like repeating the unsubstantiated meme that "men cheat more."

XtopherXtopher

(70 posts)
139. lol - fair enough
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 05:09 PM
Nov 2012

i know how it looks coming from a stranger, and no one is obliged to believe me, but i've been the victim enough times to have my own thoughts about the issue.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
145. Those surveys are great for measuring the differences each gender
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:00 PM
Nov 2012

puts on honestly discussing such issues.

I can't find it now but some study asked heterosexual men and women how many sexual partners they'd had and got wildly different answers depending on if it was asked in person, or anonymously over the internet.

Generally speaking the common-knowledge assumption that women will lie and say they have fewer while men lie and say the opposite held up if there was any chance of being personally judged.

/and if you think about it the average numbers of sexual partners for men and women have to be the same among heterosexual couples. Mathematically it's impossible for straight men to sleep around more than straight women. The distribution may be different, but the mean can't be.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
144. There are far more men in power than women
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:58 AM
Nov 2012

so it's a given that more men will be caught doing this than women.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
62. The General Was ALL Into Her...
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:39 PM
Nov 2012

errr....

yet something doesn't quite smell right about this... the General is out-- just days prior to his testimony regarding the Benghazi fiasco...how convenient

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
67. ...And now The Man has no eyes at the top of the Company.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:28 PM
Nov 2012

That's going to make the Bushes very, very upset.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
71. Either the Missus or CIA foe internally caught wind of this affair and reported it - made suggestion
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:06 AM
Nov 2012

That they saw or witnessed the "Other" Woman trying to access Petraeus's email on a laptop and got an investigation going...

Just my take...

jimbo92107

(18 posts)
78. She wrote a book on Petraeus?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:27 AM
Nov 2012

I heard Paula Broadwell wrote a book on general David Petraeus.

The punchline is the setup.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
82. where are the family values folks on this issue? I hear crickets
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 05:18 AM
Nov 2012



Looked to be a nice family she had - wonder what was up with the General worship...


No doubt the Righties will forgive and forget, and vote accordingly should he ever enter any race of significance. They don't care HOW they win... just that they win. Greed in all things.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
85. she's a west point and harvard grad
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:51 AM
Nov 2012

And I've heard she's also a veteran. As one package, she would be pretty hard to resist. I understand why he would fall.

Bosso 63

(992 posts)
87. Agreed, I think its easy to say, "I would never do that".
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:31 AM
Nov 2012

I'm not saying it was right, but the harsh truth is that most men will never have that much "temptation" to deal with. The guy was spending a lot of time with a younger woman, who is intelligent, attractive, and hanging on his every word. I think a lot of men would fail that "test".

As a result, I'm reluctant to judge him any more harshly than I judged Bill Clinton over Monica. In both cases, they hurt people around them, jeopardized their reputations, and clearly they should have known better.

 

Ter

(4,281 posts)
94. What's the real reason?
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:44 PM
Nov 2012

Th head of the CIA does not get caught in an affair when thy can cover up murder and assassinations.

zebrastripe

(26 posts)
95. Author or Sex
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:01 PM
Nov 2012

Is it necessary for Paula Broadwell, author, to dress as a sex goddess, when doing an interview about the CIA Director?

EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
96. What was the larger investigation and why did Broadwell become a
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:22 PM
Nov 2012

person of interest? The affair, if found to be the source of her acquiring
classified intelligence and using it in someway, will become for Petraeus
a much more complicated situation.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
101. Wow, this thing is filled with potential jokes.
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:19 PM
Nov 2012

Troops feel the need to make their commanders bigger than they are.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
106. Apparently Mrs Broadwell THREATENED another female acquaintance to Petraeus in an e-mail that
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:22 PM
Nov 2012

triggered the investigation and lead to her She sounds like a piece of work.A married woman with a boyfriend on the side with two boys wonder how they will look at there mom when they grow up. Wonder who the other woman was that she threatened.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
111. I really feel bad for their families tho. I dont care how many things they had in common
Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:55 PM
Nov 2012

There is no excuse for cheating, period.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
112. What he did was wrong but the level of temptation here must have been crazy.
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:32 AM
Nov 2012

As others above have already pointed out she is also a military woman, she's VERY attractive and the 2 of them were working closely. Being a biography he would have had to have shared personal details with her. Factor in the age difference (older man with attractive younger woman) and what may have been a stale marriage on his end and maybe on her's too (I'm just speculating here) and you have a perfect storm. Given these circumstances I think MOST men would find it very very tempting if such a women made advances towards them. I'm not excusing what he did but I can certainly understand it. I also understand his reason for resigning in this case too though, an affair leaves you open to blackmail. Seducing men in power to get information from them has got to be one of the oldest espionage tactics in the books.

womanofthehills

(8,774 posts)
114. Another women with unsurpassed access
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:00 AM
Nov 2012

I saw this posted on another site - How many women had unsurpassed access to Petraeus??

http://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/events/robinson.asp linda robinson


Linda Robinson, author and national security issues expert, shared insights from her newest book, "Tell Me How This Ends," which explores the world of Gen. David Petraeus as he searches for a successful resolution to the Iraq War.  Robinson, who has over two decades of experience covering wars and insurgencies, gained unsurpassed access to Petraeus, to classified briefings, and to his intimates while writing the book.  A book signing in the AAFES bookstore immediately followed the event.

View Linda Robinson's OpEd piece in the New York Times,
"The Little Battles We Must Win."
 
 
 

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
116. Lol. This whole thing raises an interesting hypothetical question for me. Would women make better...
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:21 AM
Nov 2012

Would women make potentially better leaders in highly sensitive rolls such as this? I guess it's sexist to think that women are any less immune to seduction than men but I can't help but feel that it's true to some degree.

Edit: I guess since it takes 2 to tango, as they say, it's about the same.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
119. she's like a nutso Sean Young
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 10:14 AM
Nov 2012

I just watched her interview on jon stewart where she showed up in a sexy cocktail dress and my first impression was: this gal is big trouble. Warning bells should have gone off in petraeus's head.

Joey Liberal

(5,526 posts)
121. I always thought he needed a haircut
Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:01 PM
Nov 2012

He's the typical "cookie cutter" general that the Army ranks are over-stocked with today. I do not include LTG Mike Flynn in that equation. I'm an old, ex-Soldier now, but I would follow that man to hell and back any time.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
137. Give it time...
Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:49 PM
Nov 2012

It's still young and foolish. I'd bet it's going to grow up into a great big political/intelligence shitstorm.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
141. Well, the woman in Tampa who is linked to Gen. Allen
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:44 AM
Nov 2012

apparently is in deep financial trouble.

Sometimes people in financial trouble don't particularly care how they get the money to pay off their bills.

If you are in financial trouble, you can't get a security clearance.

Franker65

(299 posts)
142. Think of David's wife
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:41 AM
Nov 2012

I feel bad for Petraeus' wife, but still for his age, he stayed in shape which is more than one can say for her. Despite the difficulties of her being alone while he was on deployment, the woman let herself go completely. I totally understand how he failed to resist the other woman's advances...

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
143. "All in" . . . she just had to chose that name didn't she?
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:54 AM
Nov 2012

There's no way she could have gone with anything else.

The jokes just write themselves (groan).

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