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radicalleft

(478 posts)
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 09:55 AM Oct 2022

Oxford School shooter pleads guilty

Source: Detroit Free Press

Teenager Ethan Crumbley, who 11 months ago penned in his journal, "I will cause the biggest school shooting in Michigan's history. I have fully mentally lost it," pleaded guilty Monday to first-degree murder and terrorism charges for the bloodshed he vowed to carry out at Oxford High School four days after his parents bought him a gun.

Crumbley dropped a bombshell in admitting to his crimes, telling the judge that he gave his father money to buy him the gun that he used in the mass shooting, and that the gun was easily accessible — contradicting his parents' claims that the gun was securely stored.

"It was not locked," Ethan Crumbley said in court.

James and Jennifer Crumbley are charged with involuntary manslaughter over allegations involving their son's access to the gun.

Read more: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2022/10/24/ethan-crumbley-guilty-gun-locked-up/69585963007/

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Lonestarblue

(10,021 posts)
1. The parents no doubt knew their son was not mentally stable, but bought him a gun!
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:01 AM
Oct 2022

If they’re found guilty of involuntary manslaughter, maybe a few other parents will get the message that teenagers should never have guns.

Maraya1969

(22,484 posts)
2. My thoughts too. Jail the parents and maybe other parents will pay attention.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 10:37 AM
Oct 2022

I believe that if a parent gives a kid alcohol and they drive and kill someone the parents are responsible in most states. Giving a kid a damn gun should be a more severe sentence if they kill with it.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,699 posts)
3. Financially liable for everything too. Hit them hard so they have nothing to come out to
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:45 AM
Oct 2022

after their sentence is up.

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
4. Tired of the excuse that he is 16 years old. He should be sentenced as an adult.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 11:48 AM
Oct 2022

From the article:
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Moments after the hearing ended, Crumbley's defense lawyer, Paulette Michel Loftin, told the media he is remorseful.

“He definitely is,” she said “We have to all remember, he is a 16-year-old boy, so a very scary situation today to be in front of a number of cameras … hear the clicking … to be appearing in front of a judge. He’s taking accountability for his actions.”

Ven Johnson, another civil lawyer who represents victim families, wasn’t convinced.

Mueller said he didn’t detect any remorse.

“I'm frankly stunned at the lack of emotion,” Mueller said. “If he's going to plead guilty, I would have expected him to show some remorse in his face. And there was none. There’s no soul there. It was cold-blooded what he did, and while he may have been dealt a bad set of cards with the parents, it's still a choice that he made to do the harm and bring the tragedy to Oxford.”

Kaleva

(36,312 posts)
5. I say the parents are just as bad if not worse then the kid.
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:20 PM
Oct 2022

People who leave guns unsecured are scumbags. So many innocents die, are seriously injured or emotionally scarred because of them.

It's not hard to properly handle and store a gun. It's pretty easy in fact. One has to almost willfully not to do so.

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
8. + agree. He gave them the money and asked that they purchase the gun for him. Parents
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 04:11 PM
Oct 2022

definitely have some culpability.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
6. "We have to all remember, he is a 16-year-old boy"
Tue Oct 25, 2022, 01:57 PM
Oct 2022

"a very scary situation today to be in front of a number of cameras … hear the clicking … to be appearing in front of a judge"

I'm sure it's also a very scary situation to be a student in a school hearing the clicking of a gun reloading in front of a school shooter and wondering if you'll ever see your parents and friends again. Fuck that.

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