Philadelphia election official said more than 3,400 mail-in ballots at risk of rejection 'creates a

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Source: CNN

really unfair disenfranchisement'

An election official in Philadelphia on Monday said that 3,400 mail-in ballots at risk of being rejected because of incorrect information, missing dates or missing secrecy envelopes “creates a really unfair disenfranchisement to thousands of voters.”

Philadelphia City Commissioners’ Chairwoman Lisa Deeley initially sounded the alarm about the ballots on Saturday after the state Supreme Court earlier in the week barred local election officials from counting ballots with missing or incorrect dates on the return envelope.

Deely told “CNN This Morning” on Monday that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision coming down so close to Election Day does “more to reinforce people’s mistrust in the process and it’s a real tragedy for Pennsylvania voters.”

Deeley released the affected voters’ names and urged them to take immediate steps to get replacement ballots.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/philadelphia-election-official-said-more-than-3-400-mail-in-ballots-at-risk-of-rejection-creates-a-really-unfair-disenfranchisement/ar-AA13PwOb?cvid=aa7e9c793c764bee8e65ce301820df12

[Fullduplexxx]

1. Jeezuz people... dates? Envelopes ? Most important election and people are fkg up on dates and

Envelopes

[JohnSJ]

4. Exactly

[kirby]

11. Elections must cater to all levels of intelligence...

There are geniuses, average joes, and morons voting. An election system needs to be designed to address the entire spectrum. We do a shitty job of that.

[pnwmom]

2. If you're in Philadelphia, PLEASE look for your name or your friends/relatives on the lists

at the links here. It's not to late to fix this.

https://vote.phila.gov/news/2022/11/05/ballots-administratively-determined-to-have-no-secrecy-envelope-or-no-signature-no-date-or-a-potentially-incorrect-date-on-return-envelope/

[IrishEyes]

3. I checked my mail in PA ballot online.

It arrived and was counted. Go Fetterman and Shapiro!

[SomewhereInTheMiddle]

5. Me too!

But it was not in Philly. I know my vote on the local races is almost a waste. No Democrat has won in Cumberland County in the 17 years I have been living here. But I have more hope for the statewide races!

[MarcA]

6. Wonder how many are Registered Ds, Rs or Other. n/t

[FredGarvin]

7. Most likely older people

"at risk of being rejected because of incorrect information, missing dates or missing secrecy envelopes".

[BumRushDaShow]

8. When a link to the lists were posted on DU over the weekend

they included age info, division/precinct/zip and were quite a few "older" people including what I believe were some who were probably voting from nursing facilities as their zip was not matching the division that they were listed as registered in.

[iluvtennis]

9. Incorrect date format ( whatever the heck that is) et al are irrelevant.

What’s important is that the ballot returned was officially mailed out to the person, they voted, and returned it.

Election officials can match the control number on the received ballot and verify that it is a ballot they mailed out.

I can’t recall if the return envelope was preprinted with the name and address of the person the ballot was mailed to, if it is, that’s another way to confirm the received ballot is valid as.

There are just so many available options to confirm received ballots are authentic. If those options aren’t being deployed, then it tells me the system is setup to intentionally dis-infranchise certain voters and suppress their votes.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. In this case

the issues were (and note, PA only started using "no-excuse absentee ballots starting in 2020) -

The "naked ballot" (i.e., the actual ballot must be placed inside what is called a "secrecy envelope" that is labeled for use with the ballot and is unsigned/undated, and then that gets placed into the outer envelope).

The past couple years, that inner/ "secrecy" envelope was white.



This year it's blue - to call more attention to it and the need to use it per one of the Philly elections Commissioners.

The outer envelope has the person's name/address/division (pre-printed), with a blank line to sign and date it. There are bar codes on that outer envelope and on the ballot itself. So that outer envelope needs to be signed and dated

I'm thinking the "wrong date" thing might be a military date format because I know everyone I used to work with who was in the military at one time, uses that out of pure habit/indoctrination. So anyone not familiar with that DAY-MONTH-YEAR format (e.g., today would be 7 November, 2022 or 7/11/22 or 7-11-22) is going to think it is "incorrectly dated". Being set aside for a deeper review would probably allow those to pass muster and be re-added as there was nothing in the law about how the date should be written.

And as a note about the relevance of the date, I would agree however the PA state Supreme Court (that is missing a (D) member who recently died) had a deadlocked vote that is forcing a date to be there or the ballot be rejected.

This issue has been in and out of both state and federal courts with mixed rulings and as I just saw, it is back in federal court again.

[The Grand Illuminist]

12. If they are Oz votes...

Then I'm cool with it.