NATO chief says Poland blast likely caused by Ukrainian missile -- but not Ukraine's fault

[Kennah]

Source: MSN

The military alliance's secretary-general, Jens Stoltenberg, said the missile incident took place "as Russia launched a massive wave of rocket attacks across Ukraine."

While the investigation was ongoing into the incident, he said, "there was no indication this was the result of a deliberate attack" and no indication it was a result of "offensive military actions against NATO."
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Preliminary analysis, as previously reported, suggests the incident was caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile fired to "defend Ukrainian territory against Russian cruise missile attacks."

"But let me be clear, this is not Ukraine's fault. Russia bears ultimate responsibility as it continues its illegal war against Ukraine," he said.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-chief-says-poland-blast-likely-caused-by-ukrainian-missile-e2-80-94-but-not-ukraines-fault/ar-AA14aMLS

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It was a Ukrainian missile, but this was not intentional. Fog of war.

[Irish_Dem]

1. It's the fault of Russia. If they had not invaded, there would be no missiles flying anywhere.

War is messy and if Europe wants to avoid getting caught in the cross hairs they need to step
up their aid to Ukraine.

[zipplewrath]

2. No longer a right wing talking point?

I was on a jury yesterday for a post suggesting that, based upon observable evidence, it was a Ukrainian missile that landed in Poland. Never did find out how the jury decided. I didn't support the complaint. But if the post was hidden, the jury verdict should be overturned.

[Kennah]

5. I posted one of those that was hidden

I could see it had I said Ukraine did this intentionally, which I did not, and they did not.

[orangecrush]

12. I saw that post

I even returned to tell the poster that they were right., and I had jumped to conclusions.

I did not see anything there that merited removal, just because they tried to bring unknown facts to light.

[republianmushroom]

3. Possible, but more likely they are covering up for Russia IMO

[sarisataka]

4. Why would NATO

Cover up an attack on one of their members for Russia?

Why would Poland, who hates Russia, cover up a Russian attack?

Why would Biden cover up an attack with a lie?

[Kennah]

6. Remember the USS Liberty

[sarisataka]

7. The problem with that incident

Was the attack was made by Israel who is an ally and we did not want to disrupt support for them.

In this case Russia is not our ally and so we do not have the same motivation to cover it up

[Kennah]

17. We still didn't wanna trigger a war in either case ...

... although with the Liberty, it feels like we were willing to sacrifice the ship and crew.

[Dysfunctional]

11. Yes, it was on my 24th birthday.

I had just gotten out of the army. I was staying with friends who were in the Army Security Agency and Naval Security Group working at NSA headquarters.

[orangecrush]

13. Vint Hill Farm?

Been past it many times in the early 70's enroute to D.C..


Serious spook den.

[Dysfunctional]

20. I was at Vint Hill Farms for about 2 months in 1962.

It was the actual headquarters for the ASA. I did well in my class at the Defence Language Institute, 47 weeks of Russian. The problem was, ASA found that I had a hearing problem that I did not know I had and was not picked up in my medical exam before I enlisted. I was glad because when I found out what the job was I knew it would be boring. I was transferred to the 528th MI interrogation Company at Fort Meade but retained my clearance because I still did some work at NSA headquarters. Most of my work was done in Germany, using both of my MOSs. I put in a request for my records this January and finally got them as a download in July. 200 pages of nothing but scores on exams, how much underwear I received, pay, and other unimportant things. I also received a document stating that my records of what I did were flagged on November 5, 1962, and would remain flagged. Anyone who was in the ASA, NSG, or AFSS should check with them before talking about their work in the military.

[orangecrush]

23. Thanks, Dysfunctional

For everything.

One couldn't ask for a more interesting military career.

[Kennah]

18. My late grandmother was NSA

Never, ever, ever, ever once admitted it. But we knew she worked at Arlington Hall, later Fort Meade, and she did crossword puzzles with a pen the way most people fill out a grocery list.

She was a crypto person. Duh.

In her later years, when dementia was hitting her, I remember she started talking about her work, in vague general terms, like she always did, and I thought "am I about to hear something?" Nope. Even with dementia, she would not reveal a thing.

[orangecrush]

24. Thats how you know

She was the real deal.

[republianmushroom]

8. nobody wants a world war

[sarisataka]

10. Have you forgotten yesterday?

There were plenty here ready for a world war. Of course they probably weren't thinking what world actually means.

Do you believe NATO, Poland and Biden are all lying to us. That this was actually a Russian attack?

[orangecrush]

14. Standing up to a bastard like Putin

Is not synonymous with wishing for WW3, though he would like us to beliece it is.

[sarisataka]

16. Attacking Russia over

An errant Ukrainian missile seems to close in on the epitome of stupidity. Expand a war that has already killed thousands to a war that may kill millions.

I have been in war and in a garden. When Gecko&Fly has spent time carefully collecting all the bits of a person that are normally on the inside so as to bury a fallen enemy with as much as you can find for the family to maybe recover I will pay attention.

If you consider the meaning of the quote you will see it is a non sequitur.

[XorXor]

22. I'd say even if it was an errant Russian missile that somehow ended up in Poland

then that wouldn't be worth escalating to a NATO vs Russia war. Unless there was something to suggest it was intentional, but blowing up a tractor in Poland doesn't seem like something that would benefit Russia. I say this as someone who by no means an appeasement advocate when it comes to Russia (or China). I just don't see the overall benefit for the world to escalate over an unintentional act. I mean, we didn't start WW3 when the Soviets downed that South Korean airliner, or the many other hairy situations that played out.

But that's a moot point since it seems highly likely to have been an errant Ukrainian air defense missile.

[orangecrush]

25. No disrespect

Intended to you.

I respect your opinion, and experience.

[sarisataka]

27. I had a more tart reply

But considered that tone online is difficult and also the poster. Reflection led me to the thought that no personal offense was intended. My ire is intended at the message and not to the messenger.

This is a topic we are not in sync. That is perfectly fine. I like my opinions to be challenged and return to challenge others. There is respect even in disagreement.

We are good

[orangecrush]

28. Thank you

My heart is more in agreement with you than my words may show.

[EndlessWire]

32. Think about it.

NATO said, and in particular Biden said, that we would defend "every last inch" of NATO territory. Poland is NATO.

Before we launch attacks against Russia, it would behoove us to discover the origin of the missile, and, as far as possible, the intent of the missile. Even if Russia did launch the missile, it might not be in our best interests to launch a reprisal. So, diverting attention from the source of the missile might be the best thing. I doubt that nothing is being done.

We didn't do anything when that missile hit Romania. But, if several missiles hit NATO, I feel sure that NATO would respond in kind. It would be a big mistake by Putin.

This is on Russia no matter what way you cut it. Everyone knows that Russia is the sole aggressor. Those two innocent civilians will not be forgotten the same as all the Ukrainian casualties will not be forgotten.

If I were Biden, I'd engineer a demise for some bridge highly admired by Putin. Just a thought. Permanent retirement for a supply line being repaired.

[XorXor]

21. That doesn't seem likely. There are photos of the debris from the missile that suggests it was an

S300 SAM. While there are cases of those being used in land attack functions, the range on those make it unlikely (I think, could be wrong, though) Also, those are one of the types of missiles that Ukraine uses for defending its skies. I've also read that the missile may have been tracked by NATO forces. Not sure if that's accurate, but it very well could be.

Either way, it's not Ukraine's fault that this happened. This 100% falls on Russia for creating the situation in which there was a chance for this to happen. Had Russia not attacked Russia with a hundred cruise missiles that day, then there would have not been any need for Ukraine to try to shoot them down.

[msongs]

9. so those on DU calling for nuclear aramageddon are now learning the truth. how nice nt

[orangecrush]

15. ....

[Kennah]

19. With nuclear weapons on the table and in the silos ...

... one has to exert force and influence such that one maintains a conventional exchange. Can't go all Churchill on Putin.

[orangecrush]

26. Ukraine has

And will continue to.

[Kennah]

29. Conventional forces can. But if a nuclear power steps in it ...

[orangecrush]

30. Then NATO steps in as well.

[Kennah]

31. Nothing is resolved by this going nuclear

[orangecrush]

33. Not what I'm advocating.