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Tom Yossarian Joad

(19,230 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 06:01 PM Nov 2022

Russian Mob Boss Warns 'There Is a Change of Power' in the Country

Source: Newsweek

A Russian mob boss warned civilians of a "change of power" in the country, saying that convicts recruited by the Wagner Group, a Russian mercenary outfit, for Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine will eventually wreak havoc in society.

In a video appeal that circulated on social media this month, Grisha Moskovsky spoke out against Yevgeny Prigozhin, a Putin ally and founder of the Wagner Group, and Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, saying that they are creating two power groups. He appealed to Russians to be cautious.

"Now two gangs are forming in Russia. Two gangs, one gang is the Wagner's and the other gang is Kadyrov's. Now there is a change of power in Russia," he said. "Who is a scoundrel and who will come to power."

Moskovsky pointed to the fact that the Wagner Group has been recruiting large numbers of prisoners for Putin's war in Ukraine. The mercenary unit has been recruiting in penal colonies in far-flung regions of Russia, according to Olga Romanova, head of the prisoner advocacy group Russia Behind Bars. /

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-mob-boss-warns-there-is-a-change-of-power-in-the-country/ar-AA14Gq3Z?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=098410683f1f4e2eb3b2e789e02bc5c7



This does not bode well.
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Russian Mob Boss Warns 'There Is a Change of Power' in the Country (Original Post) Tom Yossarian Joad Nov 2022 OP
In that fascist regimes don't last too long, one might think Putin might be an eyeopener ... marble falls Nov 2022 #1
+1 H2O Man Nov 2022 #4
I agree. Duncanpup Nov 2022 #16
What happens when you try to take another country and people living there object to it Warpy Nov 2022 #8
Recommended. H2O Man Nov 2022 #2
Kick & recommend for visibility bronxiteforever Nov 2022 #3
Kick n/t StormKing Nov 2022 #5
Sounds like the beginning of the end for Putin. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2022 #6
Agreed and hopeful yankee87 Nov 2022 #14
Might be. Igel Nov 2022 #20
Wagner is to Putin as MAGA is to the GOP Torchlight Nov 2022 #7
Excellent analogy. ananda Nov 2022 #9
Imagine if you are a Russian victim of a violent crime from a Russian mafia hire that is now free? LiberalLovinLug Nov 2022 #10
Yeah, well.. hey, 'nobody likes a snitch'.. Oooph! especially the new RU gub'mnt.. n/t TeamProg Nov 2022 #12
Will China and Iran play with mob bosses? Hope we never find out! TeamProg Nov 2022 #11
The monsters you create Grimelle Nov 2022 #13
IDK: I believe there will be a lot people falling out of windows before that happens. C Moon Nov 2022 #15
And they'll have nukes NBachers Nov 2022 #17
Just curious but.... fantase56 Nov 2022 #18
interesting republianmushroom Nov 2022 #19
France endured quite a bit of unrest between 1789 and 1870 Kennah Nov 2022 #21
Is there anything left of Russia short of organized crime, the Mob? ffr Nov 2022 #22
Kick Omaha Steve Nov 2022 #23
The video mentioned in the OP, with English subtitles [Twitter]: Emrys Nov 2022 #24
The Wagner Group are international terrorists. milestogo Nov 2022 #25

marble falls

(57,102 posts)
1. In that fascist regimes don't last too long, one might think Putin might be an eyeopener ...
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 06:09 PM
Nov 2022

... to all those Florida Man humping RWers here at home.

Warpy

(111,273 posts)
8. What happens when you try to take another country and people living there object to it
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 07:12 PM
Nov 2022

and have a well trained military to back them up seems to have opened Xi's eyes in China, the sabre rattling at Taiwan is quieter now.

TFG's fan club is likely impervious to eye opening, they only have eyes for their obese Second Coming.

Yeah, that's how nuts they are.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,504 posts)
6. Sounds like the beginning of the end for Putin.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 06:48 PM
Nov 2022

Not that the Russian people are anywhere near the end of their misery.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
20. Might be.
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 10:20 PM
Nov 2022

But it's less a change in who's in power and more a "refashioning" or "redistribution" of power.

Prigozhin and Kadyrov are pushing Putin, but Putin's willingly shared power with them for their assists. He assumes he has (and will continue to have) the upper hand. Grisha Moskovkij's less clear on that point, but he's not saying there's going to be a coup. Just that power's shifting its center of gravity towards thug-bosses. As one commentator put it, it's said when "made men" have more power than deputies and representatives. (Here "made man" isn't just wealthy, but taking the original use of the phrase and applying it to the Russian analog. "Vor v zakone.&quot

Torchlight

(3,341 posts)
7. Wagner is to Putin as MAGA is to the GOP
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 06:56 PM
Nov 2022

A Shelley-like creation entirely of their own making whose agenda mutates towards the wholly unintended.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
10. Imagine if you are a Russian victim of a violent crime from a Russian mafia hire that is now free?
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 07:23 PM
Nov 2022

There must be a few families in Russia that are aghast that these criminals have been set free, and if they last 6 months, they will be granted complete freedom. Presumably for them, Russia will have won, and they will be able to return to Russia free men to do whatever they want, including retribution against former witnesses etc..

TeamProg

(6,139 posts)
11. Will China and Iran play with mob bosses? Hope we never find out!
Tue Nov 29, 2022, 07:48 PM
Nov 2022

The possibility of these gutter-fuckups taking control is not comforting.


ffr

(22,670 posts)
22. Is there anything left of Russia short of organized crime, the Mob?
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 02:20 AM
Nov 2022

I can only imagine given what we've seen over the past 20 years of Putin's Mob boss rule.

Emrys

(7,242 posts)
24. The video mentioned in the OP, with English subtitles [Twitter]:
Wed Nov 30, 2022, 10:47 AM
Nov 2022


VidTranslator - targum.video AI bot
@vidtranslator

Hey @SergAibertich, here's your video [ai] translated from Russian as requested by @57thOverlanders.

Follow @altryne to get more free transcriptions.

[Twitter video]


I disturbed myself last night by reading around the prevalence of prison culture in more mainstream Russian society. I knew Putin was a jumped-up gangster, but I hadn't joined the dots laid out for me.

In brief, there are two broad factions in the Russian criminal fraternity - those who are opposed to the state (like Grisha), and others (like Prigozhin and Kadyrov) who have thrown their lot in with it as allies and profited, but nevertheless could pose threats to the current regime.

What follows is not pleasant, and if you're prone to triggering or in a work environment, you've been warned.

The Russian criminal hierarchy ranges from "thieves-in-law" at the top to "cocks" at the bottom. Rape is endemic in Russian prisons, and is not equated with homosexuality if you're a "top". It's seen as a method of enforcement and punishment. At the bottom of the hierarchy are "cocks", who once they've been raped are regarded as untouchable except for sexual purposes.

The turf war inside Russia is developing as ex-inmate Sasha Kurara posted the two videos posted below, in which he claims that he was in prison with Prigozhin many years ago, and that Prigozhin was a "cock" and served him sexually.



Dmitri
@wartranslated

A Russian man who introduces himself as an ex-convict who served sentence with Wagner's Prigozhyn claims the latter was providing sexual services to other prisoners.

[Twitter video]




Dmitri
@wartranslated

So there's more to the story with the ex-convict who claims Prigozhyn was adventurous in prison. There's a second video where the man confidently confirms his statements.

[Twitter video]


Making these inflammatory claims that, if accepted, are terminal to Prigozhin's reputation among the criminal fraternity, is obviously a very dangerous business, but Kurara doesn't seem concerned and offers to meet anyone angered by his claims (by implication, henchmen of Prigozhin) at a location of their choosing. Undercutting Prigozhin in this way could serve the purposes of many, including Putin, who may foresee a threat to his power from the influence of the Wagner Group.

I'd foreseen the possibility of ethnic civil war in the Russian Federation as a result of the war in Ukraine's failure. These turf wars add another dimension.
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