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BumRushDaShow

(128,772 posts)
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 12:08 PM Dec 2022

Biden signs legislation to avert rail shutdown

Last edited Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:18 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: CNN Politics

CNN — President Joe Biden on Friday signed legislation to avert a rail shutdown after congressional lawmakers raced to pass the measure amid concerns over the economic danger posed by a possible strike.

The House passed the tentative rail agreement on Wednesday, and the Senate passed the legislation on Thursday as pressure mounted on lawmakers to act swiftly.

Biden said in remarks ahead of the signing that the bill “ends a difficult rail dispute and helps our nation avoid what without a doubt would have been an economic catastrophe.” “Our nation’s rail system is literally the backbone of our supply chain,” Biden said. “A rail shutdown would have devastated our economy.”

Without congressional action, a rail strike could have become a reality as early as December 9, causing shortages, spiking prices and halting factory production. It could also have disrupted commuter rail services for up to seven million travelers a day and the transportation of 6,300 carloads of food and farm products a day, among other items, according to a collection of business groups. “Thanks to the bill Congress passed … we’ve spared the country that catastrophe,” Biden said.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/politics/biden-signs-legislation-avert-rail-shutdown/index.html



And as a reminder, the "fault" is the GOP in Congress who have consistently voted AGAINST such leave, and NOT "Democrats" who have voted FOR it or "President Biden" who still wants it, and not just for rail workers but for the 1/3rd of U.S. workers who don't have it - and that has to be legislated (like the minimum wage).

Article updated.

Original article -

CNN — President Joe Biden on Friday signed legislation to avert a rail shutdown after congressional lawmakers raced to pass the measure amid concerns over the economic danger posed by a possible strike. The House passed the tentative rail agreement on Wednesday, and the Senate passed the legislation on Thursday as pressure mounted on lawmakers to act swiftly.

Without congressional action, a rail strike could have become a reality as early as December 9, causing shortages, spiking prices and halting factory production. It could also have disrupted commuter rail services for up to seven million travelers a day and the transportation of 6,300 carloads of food and farm products a day, among other items, according to a collection of business groups.

One complication in the effort to pass a bill had been a push by progressives to add a provision to the agreement related to paid sick leave. And on Thursday, the Senate failed to pass the House-passed paid sick leave measure backed by progressives.

Biden defended his administration’s efforts to avert a rail strike on Thursday, despite criticism from union leaders that a deal brokered by the White House did not meet workers’ demands for paid leave. “I negotiated a contract no one else could negotiate – the only thing that was left out was whether or not there was a paid leave,” Biden told reporters in the White House East Room. “You know, I’ve been trying to get paid leave, not just rail workers, but for everybody.”
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Biden signs legislation to avert rail shutdown (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 OP
Kick dalton99a Dec 2022 #1
A chance to champion workers was lost. David__77 Dec 2022 #2
All union members should feel stabbed in the back The Mouth Dec 2022 #11
Agreed! RobinA Dec 2022 #14
I think there was room to negotiate sarisataka Dec 2022 #3
From what I understand from some of the details about the whole contract BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #4
Some of the messaging I've read from the Unions is they know who their friends were on this Kennah Dec 2022 #10
the 8 unions are not a majority of the people represented The Mouth Dec 2022 #13
I would agree BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #16
Why Is Legislating RobinA Dec 2022 #15
"Why Is Legislating involved at all? " BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #18
Look how they characterized the sick leave bill Unwind Your Mind Dec 2022 #5
Now they also need to raise the debt ceiling so the repukes don't hold the economy hostage kimbutgar Dec 2022 #6
They could do it as a reconciliation (one of the types can be used for the debt ceiling) BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #7
LIKE republianmushroom Dec 2022 #8
RW are reluctant to pay people who actually come to work... malthaussen Dec 2022 #9
FFS XanaDUer2 Dec 2022 #12
Corporations have to make their profits, doncha know. The Mouth Dec 2022 #17
No sick leave, no right to strike ripcord Dec 2022 #19
Democrats voted for sick leave. Elessar Zappa Dec 2022 #21
THIS 👆 BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #22
The President wasn't required to sign the bill ripcord Dec 2022 #23
Since they are not yet at the end of the Congressional session BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author jonstl08 Dec 2022 #20
The fault may be with the GOP forthemiddle Dec 2022 #24
"But in the end President Biden signed the bill." BumRushDaShow Dec 2022 #26
it was the same exact deal he brokered a couple months ago that all the other rail unions ratified MichMan Dec 2022 #27
From what I've heard from my friends who still work for BNSF, they're going to neverforget Dec 2022 #28

The Mouth

(3,148 posts)
11. All union members should feel stabbed in the back
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:38 PM
Dec 2022

it hurts more when it's someone who is supposedly on your side.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
14. Agreed!
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:13 PM
Dec 2022

This is not the way collective bargaining is supposed to work. Essentially, their right to bargain and consequently to strike has been removed.

sarisataka

(18,571 posts)
3. I think there was room to negotiate
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 12:47 PM
Dec 2022

Since the odds of getting the incoming Congress to approve sick leave are about zero.

As for Biden, he sits in the seat so he gets the heat- whether or not it is fair.

BumRushDaShow

(128,772 posts)
4. From what I understand from some of the details about the whole contract
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 12:57 PM
Dec 2022

that outside of the cherry-picked sick-leave issue, the rest of it has been pretty extraordinary in terms of raises (which were long overdue) and health bennies, and that is why 8 of the 12 unions had gone ahead and ratified it. But we'll just keep doing the circular firing squad here on DU.

When it comes to passing legislation with an intransigent and outright loon group of GOP elected officials who refuse to support workers rights, there is no "room to negotiate" because they planned to torpedo it from the outset.

Kennah

(14,256 posts)
10. Some of the messaging I've read from the Unions is they know who their friends were on this
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 03:19 PM
Dec 2022

On DU, not so much

The Mouth

(3,148 posts)
13. the 8 unions are not a majority of the people represented
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:00 PM
Dec 2022

the four that were against it are much larger.

BumRushDaShow

(128,772 posts)
16. I would agree
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:26 PM
Dec 2022

however like federal government employees, Congress legislated that certain functions could not strike.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
15. Why Is Legislating
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:18 PM
Dec 2022

involved at all? Congress doesn't step in every time there is a contract negotiation. I can't figure out why this is even before Congress. When did they become party to a collective bargainning agreement? I haven't memorized the Railway Labor Act, but even if there's something in there that allows Congress to step at some point, how is this that point. There isn't even a strike.

BumRushDaShow

(128,772 posts)
18. "Why Is Legislating involved at all? "
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 04:39 PM
Dec 2022

Because Congress passed that law that you admit that you didn't "memorize" that allows for and pretty much requires intervention to stave off a strike (just like federal workers can't strike) in order to maintain interstate commerce.

1926 Railway Labor Act

Codified Regulations - 45 USC Ch. 8: RAILWAY LABOR

Congress can create legislation that impacts labor law at any time they want but it's a matter of getting the votes to actually bring it to fruition.

ETA - here is a good article about this - https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/why-congress-is-intervening-in-a-labor-dispute-between-railway-companies-and-freight-workers

Unwind Your Mind

(2,041 posts)
5. Look how they characterized the sick leave bill
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 12:57 PM
Dec 2022

Paragraph beginning with ‘one complication’

It’s gross. That bill was actually bi-partisan right? Or at least that’s what they would have called an R bill with one Dem vote.

BumRushDaShow

(128,772 posts)
7. They could do it as a reconciliation (one of the types can be used for the debt ceiling)
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 01:09 PM
Dec 2022

assuming we can get the 51 votes. Since we are in a new fiscal year, the 3 types of reconciliation (taxing, spending, debt ceiling) are available again, either as a standalone or in combo, where each can only be used once a fiscal year.

malthaussen

(17,184 posts)
9. RW are reluctant to pay people who actually come to work...
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 02:18 PM
Dec 2022

... nevermind sick leave or other pay for people wanting a day off.

We live in a truly barbarous society, and one wing of our political overlords would like to make it more barbarous.

-- Mal

Elessar Zappa

(13,952 posts)
21. Democrats voted for sick leave.
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 05:37 PM
Dec 2022

Republicans and Manchin shut it down. This is 100% on the Republicans.

ripcord

(5,327 posts)
23. The President wasn't required to sign the bill
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 06:23 PM
Dec 2022

He asked for this bill and had the responsibility to veto if the sick days weren't included.

BumRushDaShow

(128,772 posts)
25. Since they are not yet at the end of the Congressional session
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:10 PM
Dec 2022

with less than 10 days left, if he didn't sign it, it would have automatically become law.

The reality is that the GOP opposes any sort of agreement that we really want and "elections matter". I posted links to the law and regulations around this upthread - https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3002145

And in the case if there were a strike, the issue would be sent to arbitration, which would probably result in what arbitrators earlier proposed over the summer, which was less generous (and no, didn't include the sick leave).

But instead of blaming the GOP, we continue to do this on DU -

Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)

forthemiddle

(1,379 posts)
24. The fault may be with the GOP
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 06:37 PM
Dec 2022

But in the end President Biden signed the bill.
Nobody remembers the the proposed bill, they remember the final bill.
We may have screwed the union, but we saved the economy. It’s a trade off, and Biden made the only decision he could.
Sorry union members.

BumRushDaShow

(128,772 posts)
26. "But in the end President Biden signed the bill."
Fri Dec 2, 2022, 07:19 PM
Dec 2022

Because of when it was sent to him, if he didn't sign it, it would have still become law.

If it were vetoed and they went on strike, the issue would be automatically sent to arbitration and would result in what would most likely have been much less than what was negotiated here. I.e., Over the summer, arbitrators from the Presidential Emergency Board had already proposed a package and would likely go with that as the final offer - https://apnews.com/article/biden-strikes-a83dffef79d38e36dc25588b19bf54b4

MichMan

(11,905 posts)
27. it was the same exact deal he brokered a couple months ago that all the other rail unions ratified
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 03:38 PM
Dec 2022

Of course he was going to sign it as he said he would

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
28. From what I've heard from my friends who still work for BNSF, they're going to
Sat Dec 3, 2022, 05:42 PM
Dec 2022

take their back pay and leave. The job has become unlivable with the point system for staying marked up (available).

The railroads are getting what they want: a reduced workforce so they can go to 1 person road crews, more automation and many more billions in profit for shareholders.

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