Owner: Furnace may be behind deadly Indiana blast
Source: AP-Excite
By TOM LoBIANCO
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - The owner of a house that exploded in Indianapolis, killing two people and damaging dozens of homes so severely officials say they must be demolished, said Monday that a problem furnace could be at fault.
John Shirley, 50, of Noblesville, told The Associated Press that his daughter sent him a text message last week complaining that the furnace in the home where she lives with her mother and her mother's boyfriend had gone out and required them to stay at hotel.
But Shirley also said when he asked if the furnace had been fixed, his daughter said yes, and he wasn't aware of any additional problems until he heard from his daughter again Sunday morning.
"I get a text from my daughter saying 'Dad, our home is gone. Then I called my ex-wife and she said what happened," he said.
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This aerial photo shows the two homes that were leveled and the numerous neighboring homes that were damaged from a massive explosion that sparked a huge fire and killed two people, Sunday, Nov. 11, 2012, in Indianapolis. Nearly three dozen homes were damaged or destroyed, and seven people were taken to a hospital with injuries, authorities said Sunday. The powerful nighttime blast shattered windows, crumpled walls and could be felt at least three miles away. (AP Photo/The Indianapolis Star, Matt Kryger) NO SALES
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)trapped gas and all that, but... dayum. The flame mark gave me pause though, lot of fire at once.
Maybe there was a wine cellar that stored a leak of lighter than air natural gas?
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)If the house was modern and unoccupied it could have trapped most of the leaked gas.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)recessed lights, etc should provide a path for natural gas to get out, but obviously that's tricky. Sometimes furnace closets are closed off but somewhat vented, although with the new ones that only have a pvc line out for condensation that may well be different.
You are right, though, the more modern the less leaky.
But it not only took out this house, but most of next door, and at last report tore up 30 other houses so badly they are uninhabitable.
That's still a hell of an energy release it seems, even for natural gas, but possible if you could get enough of it contained and ignite it, I think.
Gonna be interested to see the results of their investigation.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)The fire's one thing, but it looks like a sizable chunk of both houses were launched clear of it too.
There was definitely a non-trivial amount of energy released there.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)but it didn't blow nearly a city block off the scene in the pics I have seen.
On the other hand, different mechanism and all that. Have to wait for investigation...
valerief
(53,235 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)And lightning?
randome
(34,845 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)It's known as Kentucky-North by most of us on the far-northside of Indy.
Kaleva
(36,304 posts)I'd be sick to my stomach thinking about what I may have done wrong.
NickB79
(19,245 posts)The homeowners might have thought they had the problem fixed, when in actuality they just made things worse.
Kaleva
(36,304 posts)And they sometimes made things worse.
demhottie
(292 posts)interesting ...
randome
(34,845 posts)Besides, it sounds like it's his ex-wife's home, not his.
demhottie
(292 posts)"Dad, our home is gone." I'm assuming the DAUGHTER is an adult and I pointed out that rather than mention the two deaths, she referred first to the loss of their home.
Yes, it remains to be seen if negligence had anything to do with it, but either way, her response sounds callous.
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Contrary1
(12,629 posts)Some years ago, my daughter was walking home from school with a neighbor. When she came in, 30 minutes later than usual, she had an odd look on her face. If I had to define it, it would be a dazed pasted on smile.
It took several minutes for her to tell me why. Her friend had been struck by a car on the walk home. She watched her fly through the air about 30 feet "in slow motion".
After she was able to verbalize that, she was inconsolable. She cried for hours.
I don't judge people for what they do in times of stress.
(The friend sustained a broken ankle; but was otherwise ok.)
MrYikes
(720 posts)to mix with the gas quickly enough to create the explosion.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)The house was filled with oxygen (well, air) prior to the gas leak.
As more gas leaks into the home, it mixes with the air already in the home.
If the there were ceiling fans on in the house, or if the central heat/air was running, it would further mix the gas and air throughout the house, until something lit it off.
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)Side effect of modern energy efficient housing (sealing) was Radon.
Probably also increased possibility of explosions like this.
Contrary1
(12,629 posts)We thought a jetliner had gone down. Many others, as far away as 15 miles claim to have heard and felt it too.
I think it was too massive to have been caused by a faulty furnace.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)If the faulty furnace resulted in a gas leak, and the home filled up with gas before being lit off, it's quite possible.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)in the foreground of a pic at the site of the explosion, that the home had been for sale, by owner. Then, reading the article at the Indy Star site, some neighbors had said that the homeowner and her daughter had been staying elsewhere, while the whereabouts of a boyfriend were unknown.
Now, this article confirms that Indiana real estate records show Shirley's house had been for sale for a year until it was taken off the market in March.
I thought that most modern furnaces were equipped with electronic ignitions, so that burning pilot lights were no longer necessary, thus eliminating the danger of any gas accumulating. This article's explanation still seems screwy to me and if that furnace had actually been serviced within the past week, I certainly would not want to be the person who was responsible for that!
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)The heat from the flame heats a thermopile, which produces the voltage needed to keep the gas valve solenoid open. If the pilot light goes out, the gas valve shuts due to a loss of voltage.
The standard 40 gallon gas fired hot water heater still has the pilot light.
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)As you note, damn near impossible with modern furnaces for this to happen. Would take major incompetence, or . .
Sipowicz would be liking the homeowner at this point.
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)if the house filled up with gas due to a furnace malfunction or faulty repair- by the time it reached a water heater pilot light in a combustible mixture with the air- the entire house would be filled with gas(at least i think that nat gas is lighter than air), since the water heater pilot light is very close to the floor.
I'm not saying that the water heater pilot is the source of ignition- but if it were, it would result in a pretty big BOOM.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Hopefully this problem (gasoline vapor and such being ignited by the pilot) phases out in the next decade.
Kaleva
(36,304 posts)hunter
(38,313 posts)... but conditions would have to be exactly right.
A large volume of the house would have to be filled with an explosive gas-air mixture. How that could happen I can't guess. There would have to be quite a bit wrong with that furnace, starting with a plugged or disconnected flue and some sort of failure that allowed the gas to keep flowing and the air circulating even though the furnace wasn't lit. Any modern furnace has multiple redundant safety features to prevent this.
If you filled the entire house with an explosive gas-air mixture maybe you'd get an explosion equivalent to 50-250 sticks of dynamite.
From wikipedia I got a stick of dynamite = 1 MegaJoule of energy
Kaleva
(36,304 posts)"A source in touch with the couple told CBS Indianapolis affiliate WISH-TV that a member of the family had smelled gas in the house, but it was unclear if the smell had been reported with Citizens gas."
http://totallywp.com/2012/11/12/owner-of-exploded-ind-home-cites-faulty-furnace/
In another article, it was said that Citizens Gas had received no calls of a possible gas leak in that area.
The woman and her boyfriend were gone to a casino for the weekend when the explosion occurred. The daughter was staying at a friend's home and the pet cat was boarded.
WestCoastLib
(442 posts)Hey, if something tragic ever happened to my house, I'd be thankful to have a similar situation with my pets and family.
And I hope its only an accident, but when all family members and pets are conveniently away for the weekend, it does smell a little fishy.
Kaleva
(36,304 posts)Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)no such thing as coincidence.
With the house cleared out like it was, on the market for a long time, you can bet they are working this as arson.
May have been an accident, but they owe it to the victims to get to the bottom of what happened.
Kaleva
(36,304 posts)and draw the combustion air from the outside. The furnace may have been worked on and the union on the gas line opened and then not tightened properly and leaked for a week and half before the house blew up.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"and the union on the gas line opened and then not tightened properly and leaked for a week and half before..."
That's what my BIL (TX Gas & Well Driller) thinks-- if the houses are either new or have been recently retrofit with serious insulation and window & door kits, that's a LOT of trapped gas waiting for one spark.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)being that it is a fairly newer subdivision, so it couldn't have been an old-time cranky furnace. There are so many fail-safe systems built into modern gas appliances, with electronic sensors and other such gadgets that prevent any gas from entering the device if it is non-functioning.
I think that the co-owners of those homes, the divorced couple, the Shirleys, have quite a bit of 'xplaining to do, concerning this tragic disaster.
I also haven't a doubt that it could have been natural gas that exploded to destroy the neighborhood. I saw the results of such force decades ago in Cincinnati, Ohio, when one home was totally disintegrated and similar damage to surrounding houses occurred. Of course, those neighboring structures back then were older homes, built with actual sturdy wood, rather than fiber board/pressed wood product, so they were better able to withstand the power of the blast. But windows were blown out for blocks around and it was also a whopper of an explosion.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)statements. Period.
du_grad
(221 posts)There were three houses destroyed and the explosion could be heard and felt at least a mile away. It was a smaller (and older) house than these. I literally felt the floor come up under my feet. I was living in an old brick duplex at the time - very solidly built apartment building.
Even though this is from 1972, there's a good explanation of how gas explosions actually work in this article.
http://tinyurl.com/cmfu5k5
Javaman
(62,530 posts)I have seen a few furnaces explode and frankly, unless it was a gas furnace with some truly major problems, that doesn't appear to me to look like a furnace explosion.
Just my two cents and I'll wait for the investigation.