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flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:51 PM Nov 2012

American Imprisoned in Cuba Sues Ex-Employer, US

Source: AP

An American imprisoned in Cuba for nearly three years is suing his former Maryland employer and the United States government for $60 million, saying they didn't adequately train him or disclose risks he was undertaking by doing development work on the Communist island.

Alan Gross and his wife Judy sued Friday in federal court in Washington. The lawsuit alleges that the economic development company Gross was working for in Cuba and the U.S. government, with which the company had a contract, failed to provide Gross "with the education and training that was necessary to minimize the risk of harm to him."

Gross, 63, was arrested in December 2009 while on his fifth trip to Cuba. The trip was part of a project to increase the availability of Internet access in the country, particularly to the island's small Jewish community. Gross was working on the effort as a subcontractor for Development Alternatives Inc., an economic development company based in Bethesda, Md.

The company, known as DAI, was a contractor for the U.S. Agency for International Development, the U.S. government agency that provides economic and humanitarian assistance worldwide. USAID has been criticized by Cuba for seeking to promote democratic change on the island, and Cuba says its programs are a veiled attempt by Washington to undermine the government.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-jailed-cuba-sues-employer-us-government-17740059#.UKbCtoXNM7A



This is huge news. This pins the tail on the donkey of the previously denied role of USAID in sending Alan Gross into a job that was NOT about "helping the Jewish community" with telecommunications but was instead essentially espionage.

This means that the USA should release the so called Cuban spies that are in prison in the USA, who weren't undermining the US but keeping tabs on terrorist activities against the Cuban people.

C'mon Obama let's do a spy swap and then lift the embargo. Gross has been a sticking point.
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American Imprisoned in Cuba Sues Ex-Employer, US (Original Post) flamingdem Nov 2012 OP
USAID = CIA ret5hd Nov 2012 #1
We are not allowed to know how they use their funding flamingdem Nov 2012 #2
They were known CIA in Vietnam and add the Ford Foundation to that.................................. johnq45 Nov 2012 #6
I don't see a connection flamingdem Nov 2012 #9
No, USAID was never the Peace Corps Lydia Leftcoast Nov 2012 #12
Yes I know that but my memory of that time period is that idealistic flamingdem Nov 2012 #16
and Coca Cola...and Pepsi ret5hd Nov 2012 #21
CIA said that USAID is what CIA used to do covertly, openly. joshcryer Nov 2012 #18
of course. USAID has always been CIA, as far as I heard back in the 70s and 80s. robinlynne Nov 2012 #23
I'm sure the the US gov't would allow declared enemies to set up com networks here. Mika Nov 2012 #3
Gross finally got some good legal advice flamingdem Nov 2012 #5
He took satellite communications equipment into Cuba dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #4
He took specialized equipment not readily available meant flamingdem Nov 2012 #7
The UK euphemism for what he is dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #10
It must be because you're in England? flamingdem Nov 2012 #14
Off topic dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #17
It's good they followed instructions flamingdem Nov 2012 #20
Basically he did what the Cuban 5 did. joshcryer Nov 2012 #19
Without my DU star I'm getting ads for legal travel to Cuba! flamingdem Nov 2012 #8
I logged out to see what I got. dipsydoodle Nov 2012 #11
I'm imagining you live on a farm flamingdem Nov 2012 #25
Need a switch to turn the star on and off. Downwinder Nov 2012 #13
It can be entertaining such as a dating ad when reading about Petraeus! flamingdem Nov 2012 #15
why on earth would Cuba let USAID in the country? What is the US govt doing in Cuba? robinlynne Nov 2012 #22
Alan Gross was paid by a USAID contractor to sneak equipment flamingdem Nov 2012 #24
Its not a matter of the being "let in" dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #26

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
2. We are not allowed to know how they use their funding
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:58 PM
Nov 2012

That agency needs more oversight, many have abused it, especially Cubans in Miami

 

johnq45

(33 posts)
6. They were known CIA in Vietnam and add the Ford Foundation to that..................................
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:10 PM
Nov 2012

Guess what two companies Obama's Mother worked for?

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
9. I don't see a connection
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:17 PM
Nov 2012

because I think usaid used to be like the peace corps back in the day, for idealists, now we know better. The Ford Foundation also funds many good projects.

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
12. No, USAID was never the Peace Corps
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:30 PM
Nov 2012

They were always separate. The Peace Corps volunteers work for subsistence wages for two years in a general area of endeavor (community development, health, teaching) in a specific location. The USAID employees are paid far better to work on specific projects for however long it takes.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
16. Yes I know that but my memory of that time period is that idealistic
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:43 PM
Nov 2012

young people would work for either one, and both have been cited as CIA fronts since

Thinking of the 60s 70s

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
5. Gross finally got some good legal advice
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:07 PM
Nov 2012

As long as he repeated the lies about his purposes there the Cubans weren't going to get anywhere on his release. It is amazing that Gross, or rather his wife, went in this direction but in some ways it was all they had left. I don't think they did this in agreement with the US govt. but you never know.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
4. He took satellite communications equipment into Cuba
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:05 PM
Nov 2012

which is a definate no no.

Try taking an apple into the USA.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
7. He took specialized equipment not readily available meant
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:10 PM
Nov 2012

to get around observation - exactly what would set off red flags, and he did it many times before they busted him. It's hard to say he was being manipulated as they are claiming, he went there enough to know the deal

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
10. The UK euphemism for what he is
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:22 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:57 PM - Edit history (1)

is a mug.

Saw your note about the ads. I don't see them but then if I want to go there its somewhat easier than falling off a log.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
14. It must be because you're in England?
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:39 PM
Nov 2012

This company spams the internet mercilessly but it's just for Americans traveling to Cuba. They had their license on hold for several months and now they have to fill up the tours. I was wondering what happens with these groups now in terms of Santiago, I'm guessing that is off the list for now. The best would be they go there and help out but that's hard on a short term visit

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
17. Off topic
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:52 PM
Nov 2012

The pair of Dutch girls with whom I'm friends were shipped off to Varadero from Guadalavaca when Sandy hit. It took the roof off the Brisas hotel and the restaurant down the beach disappeared totally. All guests in the villas had been put under strict instruction to stay in the bathrooms which have no windows pending evacuation. They said it eerie when they were within the eye with the air perfectly still. Main thing is they're safe and sound back in Holland now.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
20. It's good they followed instructions
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:47 PM
Nov 2012

.. that storm wasn't kidding, good they're safe, I'm surprised they didn't evac them but maybe there was no room anywhere.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
8. Without my DU star I'm getting ads for legal travel to Cuba!
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:12 PM
Nov 2012

So the thread reading is nicely illustrated with 50s cars and a guajiro with straw hat!

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
11. I logged out to see what I got.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:28 PM
Nov 2012

Solar panel advert.

Yes - they'd look really cool on a 170 year old slate roof.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
25. I'm imagining you live on a farm
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:38 PM
Nov 2012

with stone walls, sheep and cows! Or I guess for England that can be a more suburban roof.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
15. It can be entertaining such as a dating ad when reading about Petraeus!
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:41 PM
Nov 2012

They just seem to react to any headline word.

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
22. why on earth would Cuba let USAID in the country? What is the US govt doing in Cuba?
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:26 PM
Nov 2012

I don't understand.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
24. Alan Gross was paid by a USAID contractor to sneak equipment
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:37 PM
Nov 2012

into Cuba that could allow communications to get around detection. He did it many times before the Cuban govt arrested him. Cuba knows the USA is funding this kind of "democracy building" and they stop it when they can but its insidious. Many of the dissidents are paid for what they do and that undercuts their credibility, not all though.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
26. Its not a matter of the being "let in"
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 12:39 PM
Dec 2012

They operate through one of the other Embassy's - the Sweden one I think.

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