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TheProle

(2,167 posts)
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 12:48 PM Jun 2023

Gunman who opened fire after high school graduation in Virginia targeted graduate

Source: Associated Press

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — A gunman who opened fire minutes after a high school graduation in Richmond, Virginia, targeted an 18-year-old graduate he had a long-running dispute with, police said Wednesday.

Shawn Jackson, 18, and his father, Lorenzo Smith, 36, were both killed Tuesday in the shooting, which sent hundreds fleeing in panic outside the state capital’s city-owned Altria Theater after the graduation ceremony for Huguenot High School. Five other people were wounded in the shooting.

Richmond Interim Police Chief Rick Edwards said the shooting suspect, Amari Pollard, 19, knew Jackson and the two had been embroiled in a dispute for more than a year. Edwards said the nature of the dispute is still being investigated.

“This was targeted at one individual ... that’s what we know at this time,” Edwards said during a news conference Wednesday.

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/richmond-high-school-graduation-shooting-6acc439941097597a2c9cc5220f9262c

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Sancho

(9,070 posts)
2. Dangerous people have easy access to guns...
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 01:00 PM
Jun 2023

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Croney

(4,659 posts)
4. All the "shoulds" on your list mean nothing to the gangs on the streets of my hometown,
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 01:09 PM
Jun 2023

Baton Rouge. We have to do something about the guns.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
8. No one will ever go along with getting rid of them. Its too late
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 01:15 PM
Jun 2023

Its the old "genie out of the bottle" problem. If we'd never HAD them, we wouldnt have such a big problem. But no we have 300 million of them & we'd never be able to take them all back.
S we need to start making examples of these killers. When there is ZERO doubt of guilt, execute them QUICKLY while the murders are still fresh in peoples minds.
Extreme, yes, but so is the constant killing.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
11. There's nothing on my list that would stop you from "getting rid of guns"...it is not either/or
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 01:21 PM
Jun 2023

...but if you had to show a license every time that you...

...bought a bullet
...bought a gun
...were stopped transporting a gun
...went hunting
...went to a shooting range
...rented an apartment
...etc.

and just like drunk driving or driving without a license; if you didn't have a valid license your car was impounding and you may end up in jail until the judge let's you out, maybe you get the idea.

We need to make it much harder for dangerous people to have easy access to guns. If you can ban guns or certain types of guns, that is fine, but no matter what there needs to be a way to deal with the people who should not have access.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
5. "BuT tHe SeCoNd AmEnDmEnT!!!"...
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 01:09 PM
Jun 2023

The fact is, while everything you suggest makes sense, virtually none of it is likely to pass muster with the current SCOTUS.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
12. For an accurate legal overview, read this book (it has great references too)
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 01:23 PM
Jun 2023

Widely acclaimed at the time of its publication, the life story of the most controversial, volatile, misunderstood provision of the Bill of Rights.

The Second Amendment: A Biography


At a time of increasing gun violence in America, Waldman’s book provoked a wide range of discussion. This book looks at history to provide some surprising, illuminating answers.

The Amendment was written to calm public fear that the new national government would crush the state militias made up of all (white) adult men—who were required to own a gun to serve. Waldman recounts the raucous public debate that has surrounded the amendment from its inception to the present. As the country spread to the Western frontier, violence spread too. But through it all, gun control was abundant. In the twentieth century, with Prohibition and gangsterism, the first federal control laws were passed. In all four separate times the Supreme Court ruled against a constitutional right to own a gun.

The present debate picked up in the 1970s—part of a backlash to the liberal 1960s and a resurgence of libertarianism. A newly radicalized NRA entered the campaign to oppose gun control and elevate the status of an obscure constitutional provision. In 2008, in a case that reached the Court after a focused drive by conservative lawyers, the US Supreme Court ruled for the first time that the Constitution protects an individual right to gun ownership. Famous for his theory of “originalism,” Justice Antonin Scalia twisted it in this instance to base his argument on contemporary conditions.

In The Second Amendment: A Biography, Michael Waldman shows that our view of the amendment is set, at each stage, not by a pristine constitutional text, but by the push and pull, the rough and tumble of political advocacy and public agitation.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
15. Premeditated & they go with murder TWO? Ugh. Another Part of the problem.
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:11 PM
Jun 2023

Should be terrorism too since it was a crowd. Throw it all at him

TheProle

(2,167 posts)
16. I think
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 04:48 PM
Jun 2023

it's because he retrieved the gun from a car after the initial confrontation instead of showing up with it brandished. Defense could argue "heat of the moment" and possibly beat murder 1. *

* I'm NOT a lawyer

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
18. (I'm not either) I think the leaving and coming back changes it
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 08:35 PM
Jun 2023

Heat of the moment would be "at that moment", but once he LEAVES the scene & comes back with it he had time to think about it.
Interesting to see what he gets

TheProle

(2,167 posts)
10. "it is heartbreaking"
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 01:20 PM
Jun 2023

A family ripped apart by violence on what should have been a proud milestone day.

pwb

(11,261 posts)
13. That will be a graduation that many will
Wed Jun 7, 2023, 01:24 PM
Jun 2023

never forget. Every public event is dangerous because of gun owner weaklings. A fight behind the bleachers can not happen today unless both agree. So?

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