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mia

(8,361 posts)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:25 PM Nov 2012

UN official calls for marijuana ballot rollback

Source: The Boston Globe

VIENNA (AP) — The head of the U.N. drug watchdog agency is urging U.S. federal officials to challenge ballot measures in Colorado and Washington that decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana for adults 21 and over.


Raymond Yans says the approvals send ‘‘a wrong message to the rest of the nation and it sends a wrong message abroad.’’


Yans heads the International Narcotics Control Board. He told The Associated Press on Tuesday he hopes Attorney General Eric Holder ‘‘will take all the necessary measures’’ to ensure that marijuana possession and use remains illegal throughout the U.S.


Both states are holding off on plans to regulate and tax the drug while waiting to see whether the Justice Department will assert federal authority over drug law....

Read more: http://www.boston.com/news/world/united-nations/2012/11/20/official-calls-for-marijuana-ballot-rollback/QEqcQ9iGNYt6U7AWyy8BLM/story.html

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UN official calls for marijuana ballot rollback (Original Post) mia Nov 2012 OP
Okay, so, he's dutifully on the record. bluedigger Nov 2012 #1
Yans needs to grow up and smell the disaster Warpy Nov 2012 #2
TOBACCO ROBROX Nov 2012 #19
The home grown tobacco is just as nasty Warpy Nov 2012 #22
...and the scumbags who head up the anti-drug gangs. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #37
Who's this fuckhead? Is he paid to issue dire warnings to folks in Amsterdam, too? villager Nov 2012 #3
Big Pharmaceutical firms have plenty of dollars to truedelphi Nov 2012 #13
You Got That Right ... they don't want to see their.... YOHABLO Nov 2012 #27
Yep that's my theory too, less anxious consumers are very bad for business. tridim Nov 2012 #52
Yes, that is his job, to hector countries into compliance with the UN anti-drug treaties. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #38
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #42
Panasonic to Yan: FUCK YOU. FUCK OFF. Panasonic Nov 2012 #4
Raymond Yans must be on the Drug Cartels payroll...... Stainless Nov 2012 #5
what about other countries? Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #6
OK, this guy is in the pay of the drug kingpins. n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #7
Time for jury nullification if the feds prosecute. jerseyjack Nov 2012 #8
Does he know how easy it is to get weed in Vienna jberryhill Nov 2012 #9
Thanks for the tip! StrictlyRockers Nov 2012 #32
They sell cannabis tea in convenience stores in Switzerland jberryhill Nov 2012 #34
Yans is Belgian. You can buy seeds legally in Belgium as well. Also you can grow them Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #36
Is that the hash price? DiverDave Nov 2012 #43
I don't know... jberryhill Nov 2012 #47
Abstinence and sobriety are an intoxicating experience for some people. Humor this poor sod. leveymg Nov 2012 #10
Screw Mr. Yans and the bogus "Drug War" he rode in on. 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #11
Aha, a global business. Trillo Nov 2012 #12
OH NO!!! New World Order, New World Order, man!! marble falls Nov 2012 #14
Who the fudge is this dude? neoconn Nov 2012 #15
Yeah it doesn't matter christx30 Nov 2012 #16
I hate to quote Dick Cheney LW1977 Nov 2012 #17
Oh no. Can I expect the UN black helicopters to be hovering over Seattle soon? Matariki Nov 2012 #18
What business is it of his? defacto7 Nov 2012 #20
Time for Obama to make a stand SariesNightly Nov 2012 #21
Hey Ray - have you ever seen the moon over Seattle? jtuck004 Nov 2012 #23
Un needs to shut up on this and find ways of ending the bombings in i/p and syria hrmjustin Nov 2012 #24
One would think, someone who "heads the International mountain grammy Nov 2012 #25
+ 10,000 n/t truedelphi Nov 2012 #28
Is there a reason why the UN needs to be in New York? bluestateguy Nov 2012 #26
This guy must be making money off of it himself. He doesn't want his $$ stream loudsue Nov 2012 #29
That was my first thought too. gtar100 Nov 2012 #30
uh huh, First they come for your pot plants... Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2012 #31
Great chance for Barack to show the wingers that he's not a UN toadie! Scuba Nov 2012 #33
How does Yans make his living? truedelphi Nov 2012 #39
"Yans heads the International Narcotics Control Board." Scuba Nov 2012 #40
Yans hates Amercian democracy in a most hypocritical way. He is from Belgium Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #35
Convincing evidence... CanSocDem Nov 2012 #45
This makes my blood boil. sarcasmo Nov 2012 #41
A drug warrior is afraid he is going to lose relevancy and power. Cry me a river. modem77 Nov 2012 #44
Raymond seems to be a candidate for "person most in need of a joint" for 2012. grantcart Nov 2012 #46
IOW, this might jeopardize my job. n/t Egalitarian Thug Nov 2012 #48
this is scary Dems50State Nov 2012 #49
I see it as common ground among Americans of diverse political beliefs slackmaster Nov 2012 #50
Good thing this clown has no real authority. MjolnirTime Nov 2012 #51

Warpy

(111,264 posts)
2. Yans needs to grow up and smell the disaster
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:28 PM
Nov 2012

that a war on a simple plant has caused.

The only people this bogus war is good for is the scumbags who head up the drug gangs.

They haven't stopped a single person who wants it. They haven't "saved" a single child from it. They've just thrown some of those children into prison for the bulk of their useful lives.

Mr. Yans, you are wrong. End it now.

 

ROBROX

(392 posts)
19. TOBACCO
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:08 AM
Nov 2012

The nasty weed people who want more smokers to buy their cancer sticks do not want people to home grow their won smoke which does not cause cancer and is nicer to smoke.

Warpy

(111,264 posts)
22. The home grown tobacco is just as nasty
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:12 AM
Nov 2012

However, without all the chemical "enhancers," it might be less tasty to smokers and they might smoke a bit less.

Then again, nicotine is so very addictive that this is not going to be the case.

Backyard pot has a better case to be made than backyard tobacco, although it's a theft target. I think people will still use grow lights in a spare bathroom rather than grow it in the back yard for this reason.

Tobacco companies don't care, they've had copyrights on trade names for joints for decades.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
37. ...and the scumbags who head up the anti-drug gangs.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:16 PM
Nov 2012

Who benefits from pot prohibition?

Law enforcement

Prosecutors and the defense bar

The incarceration complex

The forced drug treatment industry

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
13. Big Pharmaceutical firms have plenty of dollars to
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:17 AM
Nov 2012

Pay off people like this.

As well as to contribute to politicians running for office on both sides of the aisle.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
27. You Got That Right ... they don't want to see their....
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:31 AM
Nov 2012

profits in the anti depressant and anti anxiety drugs market decline ... among other medicinal uses for marijuana.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
52. Yep that's my theory too, less anxious consumers are very bad for business.
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:22 AM
Nov 2012

Same with tumorless consumers.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
38. Yes, that is his job, to hector countries into compliance with the UN anti-drug treaties.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:19 PM
Nov 2012

The Dutch ignore the INCB with their cannabis cafes.

The Europeans, Canadians, and Australians ignore the INCB with their safe injection sites.

The Bolivians ignore the INCB with their coca production.

We, too, can ignore the INCB and legalize weed.

Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #38)

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
4. Panasonic to Yan: FUCK YOU. FUCK OFF.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:40 PM
Nov 2012

First, deal with the problem you have over in Europe before you tell our states what to do.

Last i checked, Portugual, Netherlands and a few other states have legalized or decriminalized harder stuff than pot.

Stainless

(718 posts)
5. Raymond Yans must be on the Drug Cartels payroll......
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:42 PM
Nov 2012

Or else he is afraid of losing his job. What a dick head!

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. Does he know how easy it is to get weed in Vienna
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:56 PM
Nov 2012

The UN doesn't have to go out of their way if they want to find weed.

Hey, buddy, when you get back to Geneva, take the #19 tram from UN HQ at Palais to the stop at Cornavin. Walk about two blocks from there to the lake on Rue des Alpes. Wait around for about 5 minutes and if you don't walk away with 5g for 50 euro, then you couldn't find a Slurpee in a 7-11.

You'll be back at your desk in 15 minutes.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
34. They sell cannabis tea in convenience stores in Switzerland
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 08:56 AM
Nov 2012

In Interlaken, you can buy seeds over the counter.

For the UN to go off on this is ridiculous.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
36. Yans is Belgian. You can buy seeds legally in Belgium as well. Also you can grow them
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:05 AM
Nov 2012

legally and personal possession of small amounts is perfectly legal. Yans claims the United States has no right to do what his own nation did years ago.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
43. Is that the hash price?
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 07:34 AM
Nov 2012

When I was stationed outside Nuremberg,( a small town called Schwabach) I could go into town, right across from the hauptbahnhof and score 90 grams for 50 bucks.
Had a scary encounter with the local polizei, I was across the street from the train station, having just arrived to score, and they drove their car right up on the sidewalk and jumped out.
The one kept asking me "you have the hash,yeah?" and I kept saying no as they turned out my pockets and even took my zippo apart to look in the bottom.
I kept saying over and over "just please dont hit me with that stick (they were pretty liberal with it if they perceived you were resisting)
Since I hadnt bought anything yet, they had to let me go, I copped and hung out in a bar for awhile before I went back to the train station.
I was shaking for a good while after that encounter, I'll tell you.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
47. I don't know...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 12:17 PM
Nov 2012

That's what any number of people will spontaneously offer in that area of town if you stand in one place too long. Whatever in particular the goods are, I don't know.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
10. Abstinence and sobriety are an intoxicating experience for some people. Humor this poor sod.
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:59 PM
Nov 2012

He's the inside-out version of Aqualung.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
11. Screw Mr. Yans and the bogus "Drug War" he rode in on.
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:03 AM
Nov 2012

Jeesus. I thought the US was supposed to be, you know, like operating
in the 21st Century, not a retrograde Reefer Madness revisited.

neoconn

(185 posts)
15. Who the fudge is this dude?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:24 AM
Nov 2012

Stay the hell out of America's business specially in relations to our "drug war". Who lining this dickweed's pocket?

(Like the pun?)

christx30

(6,241 posts)
16. Yeah it doesn't matter
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:25 AM
Nov 2012

what the people of these states want. It's the desires of the powerful elite that matter. Who do those people think they are? Deciding what laws they want to live under? They should bow down and live like sheep, and let people like Yans run their lives.

LW1977

(1,235 posts)
17. I hate to quote Dick Cheney
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 12:50 AM
Nov 2012

...but in regard to Raymond Yans, Go f•ck yourself! (with a cactus colonoscopy style)

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
20. What business is it of his?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:10 AM
Nov 2012

it sends ‘‘a wrong message to the rest of the nation and it sends a wrong message abroad.’’

Yeah.. it sends the message that people want to be free from the machine, free for the drug cartels, free to exercise our human right to seek happiness. What "wrong" message?? There is absolutely no evidence that legalizing drugs has any adverse effect on society. On the contrary, there is great evidence that it alleviates most of the the horrible effects of said prohibition.

This guy is a deluded prude or nuts...

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
25. One would think, someone who "heads the International
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 01:25 AM
Nov 2012

'Narcotics' Control Board" would know what a narcotic is and what a narcotic isn't. Mr. Yans, STFU.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
31. uh huh, First they come for your pot plants...
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 03:57 AM
Nov 2012

then they come for your property rights, its Agenda 21! its the NWO! Why does Mr. Yans hate democracy so much?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
33. Great chance for Barack to show the wingers that he's not a UN toadie!
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:17 AM
Nov 2012

"Make drugs illegal", says the guy who makes his living off drugs being illegal.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
39. How does Yans make his living?
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 06:04 PM
Nov 2012

Not familiar with that part of the overall story.

Curious minds would like to know.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
35. Yans hates Amercian democracy in a most hypocritical way. He is from Belgium
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 09:00 AM
Nov 2012

which has some of the world's most liberal marijuana laws. Yans says his nation is free to do so, but ours must not? Yes, that is what he says.
Since 2003, the Belgian government has made the possession and use of marijuana legal under the following conditions:

• The amount possessed is 5 grams or less

• You are over 18

• You do not smoke in the presence of minors

• You do not smoke in public

You can buy marijuana seeds and grow them in Belgium without penalty – however, you are only allowed to own one female plant.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
45. Convincing evidence...
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 10:55 AM
Nov 2012


...that he is someones 'mouthpiece'. Not even us dumb NORTH Americans are blind to that level of hypocrisy.

.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
46. Raymond seems to be a candidate for "person most in need of a joint" for 2012.
Thu Nov 22, 2012, 11:39 AM
Nov 2012

And this is from someone who never has
 

Dems50State

(147 posts)
49. this is scary
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 10:50 AM
Nov 2012

As much as I want to attack this guy for being a idiot I do not want to agree with the right-wing about the UN. God the headache this gives me trying to figure out why he would attack pot like that. Thank God Colorado is one of the states setting the ways. I'm proud of my state for this. The voters got it right. Pot is harmless.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
50. I see it as common ground among Americans of diverse political beliefs
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:07 AM
Nov 2012

In the abstract it's about self-determination, something that the right and the left basically believe in though the examples they choose to advocate for usually differ.

Embrace the moment.

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