Rockets explode in Israel despite truce

[Fozzledick]

Source: The Jerusalem Post

Rockets fired from Gaza continued to land in Israel on Wednesday night following the commencement of the US-Egyptian brokered cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. Some "Code Red" sirens sounding in the South appear to be set off by celebratory rocket fire in Gaza, Channel 2 News reported. Israel Radio reported that some 20 rockets were fired from Gaza since the announcement of the cease-fire.

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=292914

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Surprise!!

Hamas' idea of a cease fire: keep firing and then blame Israel when they react.

[Archae]

1. Just as I figured would happen.

Hamas has no intention of being part of any peace, they are weaned on "Death to America/Jews/Whatever!"

[lsewpershad]

2. No

Check out if Israel is telling the truth.... looking for an excuse to continue murdering.

[Archae]

3. "Hamas can do no wrong, Israel can do no right..."

[uppityperson]

8. Congratulations! You are the winner of the Dichotomous Thinker Award!

[Archae]

12. Well, some people say I can be a dick...

[4th law of robotics]

64. Do you think Israel is blowing up her own cities?

[OneMoreDemocrat]

4. Huh, the Jerulalem Post says it...

MUST be true.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if those rockets either a) were not fired at all or b) were fired by the peace-loving Israelis to garner sympathy.

[oberliner]

9. You think Israel might have fired rockets on itself to garner sympathy?

Is that for real?

[JesterCS]

11. I could see that being true n/t

[oberliner]

14. That is seriously amazing

I wonder if this is a commonly held belief.

[King_David]

24. Truther or Birther like thinking nt

[glacierbay]

25. Wow

Anothere Israel hater, what a surprise?

[OneMoreDemocrat]

42. I don't hate Israel...

But I most certainly hate their actions with regard to Palestinians.

Hard to admire ethnic cleansing.

[glacierbay]

44. So just what the hell are we supposed to take away from statements like this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014314152#post4

[OneMoreDemocrat]

47. You'll take what you want to take...

It seems that everyone who supports one side or the other cannot be dissuaded from their opinion.

I (and most of the world) am of the opinion that Israel is wrong in their treatment of Palestinians...it goes way beyond who fired the first rocket a week and a half ago.

I don't hate Israel or Jews, but I most certainly disagree with their actions.

The 'right to exist and/or defend themselves' doesn't only apply to Israel.

[glacierbay]

49. That's not what you were arguing for

Here's what you said

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014314152#post4

I'm asking if you truly believe what you wrote

[OneMoreDemocrat]

50. Oh, sorry...

Yes of course I believe what I wrote.

The Israeli 'government' is a grotesque, violent, bloodthirsty group.

Do I think they would lie?

Silly question.

[Riftaxe]

62. "ethnic cleansing"

If that's their goal, they really suck at it....do you think their incompetence in this area is related to their prevailing religion?
I suspect you probably do.

[wordpix]

33. you are swallowing the Hamas propaganda line, then

yeah, right, Jews always like to fire rockets on themselves and drink babies blood, too.

[Fozzledick]

27. Just when you think they can't get any crazier...

[Ken Burch]

29. There are TWO Captain Picards in that picture.

Is one of the the evil version with a goatee?

[sellitman]

41. Good thing there is no blatant Jew hatred here on DU

Breathtaking.....

[OneMoreDemocrat]

45. Blatant Jew hatred...

Hysterical.

In more ways than one.

[sellitman]

69. Hysterical?

No, very sad and discusting.

Click.

[OneMoreDemocrat]

43. Still no reporting on this from any other source?

Shocking, just shocking.

[sellitman]

38. Brilliant!

Your logic is infallible.

Those evil Israelis are breathtaking in their malevolence.

[OneMoreDemocrat]

53. I agree, but I would omit the word evil...

and would say "Those Israelis are breathtaking in the malevolence".

[glacierbay]

40. Are you fucking serious?

Unfuckingreal.

?w=491

[OneMoreDemocrat]

46. Yep.

.

[glacierbay]

48. You honestly believe that Israel fired rockets on itself?

[OneMoreDemocrat]

51. First of all there would have to be proof that rockets were fired at all...

and since no one else reported it I'll just chalk it up to make believe (or propaganda if you like).

But, yes I most certainly do, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Just the fake report of a rocket launched by Hamas gets folks like you all lathered up...it's so simple.

[glacierbay]

54. So if it were true

why didn't Israel respond?
Kinda blows your theory to hell.
Gee, 2 seconds of google fu

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/06/21/Rockets-fall-despite-cease-fire/UPI-83231340278140/

[OneMoreDemocrat]

56. So what?

I am fully in support of the people of Gaza doing whatever they have to do to get out from under Israel's occupation.

Period. Full stop.

Read your own article genius, of course Israel 'responded', there's a giant photo of the damage they did in retaliation with their gun ships to the 'no one injured volley from Hamas'.

FU? You are very tough and frighten me severely.

[4th law of robotics]

66. So Israel is making it up and you support the people of Gaza to attack Israel

It seems like it would have to be one or the other.

[glacierbay]

70. Google fu

is like kung fu, not fuck you. you misinterpreted it.

Israel did not respond to the rockets launched after the cease fire took effect. I did read the article and no where did it say that Israel respond to the rocket fire.

[4th law of robotics]

65. Yeah no way Hamas could be behind terrorism

It must be those sneaky Jews.

[Monk06]

5. They should just whack the entire Hamas leadership and institute a blockade and search every

vehicle on wheels or on the water for weapons.

Bloody Hamas are worse than the PLO. At least the PLO would occasionally keep their word.

I am normally skeptical of Israel's motives during a ceasefire but this has gone beyond farce on the part of Hamas.

[azurnoir]

7. you realize that the PLO was taken off of the US terrorist group list nearly 2 decades ago

oh but don't let facts get in the way of outrage

[Monk06]

60. Get a grip. I was being slightly facetious but go ahead and be literal minded. I was referring to

PLO of the Achille Lauro high jacking period when the PLO was the PLF.

BTW take your pinched faced librarian's objection somewhere else.

The point I was making, which you obviously missed with your knee jerk condescension, is that Hamas is just as bad or worse than the PLO/PLF of the Yasser Arafat‎ period. That is a fact as we see from the latest rocket attacks the day after another phony ceasefire.

As a sidebar, Arafat was no freedom fighter. He was a self serving gangster who enriched himself at the expense of his own people.

Don't bother replying I'm not interested in flame wars from people spoiling for a fight.

[DavidDvorkin]

6. It's okay. Those are just Estes rockets.

Israel must be lying.

It's justified.

It's the fault of the Balfour Declaration.

[Ash_F]

10. How do you get all 2 million people to follow directions?

But of course all 2 million must suffer for this.

[Igel]

13. You don't.

You expect those who made the ceasefire to find, arrest, and severely punish those who broke it for endangering the lives of their fellow citizens.

Alternatively, you allow the wronged person to suppress the fire themselves.


Imagine if a group of Israelis had set up mortars and started to shell Gaza. What would the response be? "Oops, hard to get all those millions of people to follow directions. Gotta be okay."

The alternative is to acknowledge that the ceasefire is between Israel and Hamas is actually between Israel and perhaps 20 people. Meaning that there is no ceasefire between Israel and 2 million people. 1,999,980 people are excluded, give or take a few score thousand. Until those people have signed onto the ceasefire, those 20 Hamasites should be sheltered and protected and hostilities can continue between the eager combatants.

[Ash_F]

20. The difference between Israel and Gaza is that Israel has a coherent functioning government.

I don't think even Hamas has control of Hamas.

PS - and I never said it was "ok". My commentary was only that it is unfortunate and unfair that the entire population has to suffer from punitive policies because of individuals or groups who commit violent attacks.

[backwoodsbob]

26. so basically Gaza can be hammered with rockets

and as long as Isreal says it was private citizens who they can't control it is all good

[Ash_F]

35. Reading comprehension.

[former9thward]

19. Right these are just random people who happen to have rockets.

They have nothing to do with Hamas do they? Nothing at all. Right. Gaza is a place where you are shot in the street if you oppose the government. But you think there are random people firing rockets in defiance of the 'truce' OK, we know where you are coming from.

[Comrade Grumpy]

63. Uh, there were people other than Hamas firing rockets at Israel...

...and they say they plan to continue.

Islamic Jihad: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-11/22/c_131992928.htm

And here's a Haaretz article that mentions "renewed rocket fire earlier in the day that was reportedly initiated by Jihadi factions without coordination with Hamas": [link:http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/palestinian-militant-groups-to-meet-in-gaza-amid-escalation-with-israel.premium-1.477215]

Gaza is NOT a totalitarian state with an all-knowing and all-powerful government. There are numerous actors there.

If you're not willing to accept that subtlety, we know where you are coming from.

[Ash_F]

37. Racist and factually incorrect cartoon

"Allah Uh Akbar" is a rule. Really? On Democraticunderground?
Neither Dancing, singing nor alcohol is banned in Gaza. Though the latter is hard to come by due to the blockade and expense.

Speaking of dancing, you might enjoy this article. A somewhat bright story about an oppressed people.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/palestinians-told-to-dance-to-shake-off-gaza-stress-1.404717

[riderinthestorm]

34. Uhm, this is an area about the same size as Rockford IL. Not very large.

Finding and prosecuting fireworks violators is easy since law enforcement don't have a huge area to deal with. Its a regular July 4th event. The local newspapers report the enforcement of this regularly. How much more so important when you are dealing with heavy munitions?

These are ROCKETS. Presumably the neighbors MUST know about them being launched in their backyard. How about some self-enforcement, even if law enforcement is in short supply, since these are jeopardizing their families?

[Ash_F]

36. Intimidation must be considered

There was another article today about 6 Palestinians who were killed for allegedly telling the IDF about rocket locations. So yes, some Palestinians have laid down their lives to stop the violence. And yet those same brave people have to live under racist subjugation of the people they were trying to help.

[sellitman]

39. But it's cool whole Israeli Cities get to live under air raid sirens and missiles

Because of one Hamas Leader that got taken out?

Do you even listen to yourself?

[Ash_F]

55. Do you even read? /nt

[mallard]

68. Re: 2 million must suffer

You'll find this key point 'readily' ignored by dedicated detractors posting here.

These Israel 'loyalists' rarely acknowledge the extent of that suffering, casting all blame on the other side and often respond to anyone who cries foul by making arrogant accusations of moral bias (or worse) against them, leaving some caught up defending themselves instead of carrying on otherwise in a fair debate.

It's war on so many levels.

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. I wonder if this is the shortest cease fire on record.

Well, Israel continues to honor the ceasefire.

Clearly, what passes for the government in the Gaza Strip honors nothing, except excuses.

[still_one]

21. Usually it will not occur immediately because of all the factions in Gaza. However, I expect the

ceasefire will completely occur within the next 12 hours.

I also expect Israel will continue to honor the ceasefire, barring anything major

[Agnosticsherbet]

22. Apparently, Israel agrees with your take..

as they have not retaliated.

Hope it lasts.

[Agnosticsherbet]

16. Arutz Sheva reports 20 rockets fired since casefire.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/162382#.UK1lTny9KSM

[iandhr]

17. It might be Islamic Jihad or one of the other militant groups.

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[Agnosticsherbet]

18. According to the Jewish Press an 11 year old child was hurt in one of the attacks.

11 Year Old Hurt in Post Cease Fire Attack

[condoleeza]

23. This whole thread thus far is a perfect example of why there has never been an agreement between

these peoples and now it's election time there, so...............same old, same old.

[oberliner]

28. "The Jewish Press" is a RW rag directed at ultra-religious fundamentalists

About as far RW as you are going to get.

Why any DUer would read that is beyond my understanding.

[CthulhusEvilCousin]

31. Are they as right wing as Hamas?

[oberliner]

32. I'd say it's equivalent to something like the 700 Club.

Except on a much much smaller scale.

[Agnosticsherbet]

58. I have relatives who send me this stuff.

I don't know the paper from Adamski.

[4th law of robotics]

67. According to some on here the child its faking it so Israel can justify

attacks on Palestine.

[no_hypocrisy]

52. One problem out of many in this situation is that both sides lack credibility

in their assertions. Reminds me of the saying "There are three sides to every story: His story, her story, and the truth."

[Agnosticsherbet]

59. Bringing up "truth" reminds me of Indiana Jones.

Indiana Jones: Archaeology is the search for fact... not truth. If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall.
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The interesting facts are that (1) The truce has been broken by people in the Gaza Strip. and (2) Israel has willingly overlooked these violations.

That tells me that Israel is not as eager to continue the pointless war as it may appear on the surface. It also implies that Israel understands that the leadership in Gaza is not all that much in control of its population.

From the Israeli side, I find that a positive development.

[Bill Drat]

61. Ooops...

Did israel parade out fake casualties like the Pal's did earlier in the week?