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BumRushDaShow

(152,098 posts)
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 07:03 AM Dec 2023

Judge denies Texas request to bar Customs and Border Protection from cutting razor wire at border

Source: ABC News

November 30, 2023, 9:22 PM


A federal judge has denied Texas’ request to bar U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents from cutting or removing razor-wire the state placed along the U.S.-Mexico border. Despite previously granting the state’s request for a temporary restraining order, Judge Alia Moses said in her ruling Wednesday that Texas had not provided sufficient evidence to prove the federal government broke the law in removing razor-wire.

The state of Texas is currently suing the Biden administration over what they call U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s practice of "cutting, destroying, or otherwise damaging Texas’s concertina wire that had been strategically positioned for the purpose of securing the border and stemming the flow of illegal migration,” according to the lawsuit.

As part of Gov. Abbott’s Operation Lone Star, Texas authorities, including the Texas National Guard, have been installing fencing and barriers, sometimes made of concertina wire.

Placed along the U.S. side of the Rio Grande, U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents have at times cut through, lifted or removed portions of the fencing to allow migrants to be apprehended, processed and sometimes disentangled from the razor-wire.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-denies-request-texas-bar-cbp-federal-government/story?id=105292998

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Judge denies Texas request to bar Customs and Border Protection from cutting razor wire at border (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Dec 2023 OP
Biden should hildegaard28 Dec 2023 #1
Yes turn them around facing North moniss Dec 2023 #2
That's good, because the GOP/MAGAs talk about doing this to us every day, and we sure as hell don't want to set ... marble falls Dec 2023 #3
it was well known Mac Arthur was insane and Patton not totally there sadasfyed Dec 2023 #4
Thanks for posting that bit of shameful history Bayard Dec 2023 #5
During a Republican administration! marble falls Dec 2023 #10
"Bonus Army WWWI Veterans Killed by General MacArthur, Major Patton in Washington" EX500rider Dec 2023 #6
Throughout the Gilded Age moniss Dec 2023 #8
Too many people are unaware of that incident duckworth969 Dec 2023 #9
I say cut ALL the razor wire now, while they can. bluestarone Dec 2023 #7
Absolutely. Right now. The Corps of Engineers can take care of it PDQ. marble falls Dec 2023 #11

hildegaard28

(436 posts)
1. Biden should
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 08:09 AM
Dec 2023

Declare a national emergency over the border and nationalize the Texas National Guard. It would be great to wrest control of that from their crooked governor.

moniss

(7,222 posts)
2. Yes turn them around facing North
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 08:50 AM
Dec 2023

and have them go clean up the GQP cesspool. Wishful thinking. I added this because I didn't want anybody to think I was seriously suggesting it.

marble falls

(65,207 posts)
3. That's good, because the GOP/MAGAs talk about doing this to us every day, and we sure as hell don't want to set ...
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 10:30 AM
Dec 2023

... a precident for them. Just remember what Gen MacArthur's Federal troops did to Coxey's Army, and their Hooverville in Washington DC.








Bonus Army WWWI Veterans Killed by General MacArthur, Major Patton in Washington D.C.

https://www.scottsdalerealestatearizona.com/bonus-army/

Bonus Army WWWI – The Bonus Army was the popular name for an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers—17,000 U.S. World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who gathered in Washington, D.C. in the summer of 1932 to demand cash-payment redemption of their service certificates.




-snip-

Many of the war veterans had been out of workRetired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler, one of the most popular military figures of the time, visited their camp to back the effort and encourage them.[1] On July 28, U.S. Attorney General William D. Mitchell ordered the veterans removed from all government property. Washington police met with resistance, shots were fired and two veterans were wounded and later died. President Herbert Hoover then ordered the Army to clear the veterans’

-snip-

It happened at 4:45 p.m. Wikipedia states that thousands of civil service employees left work early that day, lining the street to watch the confrontation. The Bonus Marchers apparently thought at first, that the troops were marching in their honor. They cheered the troops until Patton ordered the cavalry to charge them—an action which prompted the spectators to yell, “Shame! Shame!”

After the cavalry charged, the infantry, with fixed bayonets and Adamsite (DM) gas, an arsenical vomiting agent, entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River to their largest camp and President Hoover ordered the assault stopped.

However Gen. MacArthur, feeling the Bonus March was a “Communist” attempt to overthrow the U.S. government, ignored the President and ordered a new attack.

-snip-

Bayard

(24,957 posts)
5. Thanks for posting that bit of shameful history
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 02:45 PM
Dec 2023

Its also a look into the future of a second trump presidency.

EX500rider

(11,796 posts)
6. "Bonus Army WWWI Veterans Killed by General MacArthur, Major Patton in Washington"
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 02:52 PM
Dec 2023

Not really, the shooting was by a DC Police officer and happened before the Army intervention.

On July 28, under prodding from President Herbert Hoover, the D.C. Commissioners ordered Pelham D. Glassford to clear their buildings, rather than letting the protesters drift away as he had previously recommended. When the veterans rioted, an officer (George Shinault) drew his revolver and shot at the veterans, two of whom, William Hushka and Eric Carlson, died later

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

moniss

(7,222 posts)
8. Throughout the Gilded Age
Fri Dec 1, 2023, 05:48 PM
Dec 2023

and the rise of organized labor the use of the military/state militias against the people during peace-time gained traction among the upper classes in this country. It began to take on more and more acceptability during the Progressive Era/Roaring Twenties and was applied to the idea of "solving" social developments that the citizens/elected officials in power didn't like. The Tulsa Race Massacre and the huge increase in KKK membership and acceptability are examples of the things that can happen as domestic repression rises.

So by the time of the Economic Collapse and onset of the Great Depression there had been several decades over which this manner of use of government force against the people, post Civil War/Reconstruction, was readily adopted by the upper classes and the power structure for the protection of themselves, their property and other assets.

This all took place during the years that the Supreme Court was battling on social/labor/rights issues as well. The ascension of Louis Brandeis to the court had been bitterly fought against by the old guard upper classes because of his legal work during the Progressive Era and championing social issues and individual rights. I have an OP I'm working on about Brandeis and the holdover effect to this day of the battle between "reformers/progressives" and the upper classes who felt that money, land and assets deserved special privilege/protection and were the proper seat of power and control in the country and that it should always remain so. They believed then and still do that it is proper, natural and right for that to continue. They also believe they have the right to use the forces of the military and state forces to maintain that structure. It isn't a new concept by any means for the upper classes to consider themselves to be above/better than others and therefore to "deserve" outsized power, control and protection.

It is however our modern struggle for over 100 years to move away from that but we still see the battle lines are there and the immense rise in political clout because of the huge gain in assets by the upper classes has made a gain like the recent UAW contract be so unusual rather than a more frequent and accepted matter in society.

I'll have much more in the OP when I'm done but I'm the "lay about" sort and I'm given to bouts of extended time on my couch.

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