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BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 02:20 PM Mar 22

At least 40 killed and more than 100 wounded in Moscow concert hall attack

Source: The Guardian

At least 40 people have been killed and more than 100 wounded according to unofficial reports in the worst terror attack in Russia in years, as gunmen in combat fatigues opened fire and detonated explosives in a big concert hall in the outskirts of Moscow.

Photos showed the Crocus City Hall engulfed in flames as videos emerged from the concert hall attack, showing at least four gunmen opening fire from automatic weapons as panicked Russians fled for their lives.

In one video, three men in fatigues carrying rifles fired at pointblank range into bodies strewn about the lobby of the concert hall. The attackers also apparently detonated explosives, as the sounds of blasts could be heard in other videos from the attack. At least two blasts took place at the concert hall on Friday evening, news agencies reported.

Video published online showed horrific scenes of some people begging for help from the roof of the concert hall as it burnt behind them. Other video showed images of victims with gunshot wounds being treated in the street outside of the building.




Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/22/moscow-concert-hall-shooting-blast?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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At least 40 killed and more than 100 wounded in Moscow concert hall attack (Original Post) BeyondGeography Mar 22 OP
Some speculation that it might be a False Flag by Russia jmbar2 Mar 22 #1
Yes, a lot of that out there BeyondGeography Mar 22 #3
Found this on Wiki RussBLib Mar 22 #19
It is orangecrush Mar 22 #36
No shit FredGarvin Mar 22 #22
ISIS claimed responsibility Warpy Mar 22 #44
Well, I was wrong orangecrush Mar 22 #52
So much suffering. riversedge Mar 22 #2
Chechens? Mysterian Mar 22 #4
That's my guess. They've done that sort of thing before. n/t Coventina Mar 22 #6
... orangecrush Mar 22 #37
Putin FredGarvin Mar 22 #20
That was my first thought Kennah Mar 22 #40
ISIS orangecrush Mar 22 #53
Following on Agenda Free TV... Blue 808 Mar 22 #5
Russia is asking for the world blue-wave Mar 22 #7
This was a Russian attack FredGarvin Mar 22 #18
Yes he does, for propaganda purposes. SergeStorms Mar 22 #24
He's done it before orangecrush Mar 22 #34
Yes,it is a false flag by the Russian Kremlin blue-wave Mar 22 #43
Lets hope the Russian Special Forces don't fail miserably in their response like during... EX500rider Mar 22 #8
Advocating for Almighty Satan Kennah Mar 22 #41
Still, in any hostage rescue, tanks, RPG's, thermobaric weapons & helicopter gunships are not called for EX500rider Mar 22 #46
I don't believe that Spetsnaz trains in hostage rescue Kennah Mar 22 #51
Pregoshin's thugs getting revenge? RussBLib Mar 22 #9
that was my first thought et tu Mar 22 #12
It was Putin FredGarvin Mar 22 #17
US Embassy in Moscow warned of a venue attack on March 7 womanofthehills Mar 22 #50
This is also the theater blue-wave Mar 22 #10
9500-seat sold out arena RussBLib Mar 22 #11
The Guardian's just updated to more than 40 dead and more than 100 wounded. ancianita Mar 22 #13
This has an Inglorious Basterds feel to the attack Pachamama Mar 22 #14
Putin FredGarvin Mar 22 #16
Agreed Pachamama Mar 22 #23
Here orangecrush Mar 22 #33
Agreed Pachamama Mar 22 #35
Trump and Putin FredGarvin Mar 22 #15
This is how Putin came to power orangecrush Mar 22 #30
Now 40 dead. SergeStorms Mar 22 #21
Adding a link, not with any joy. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 22 #25
These were innocent people, civilians not soldiers and this is a despicable act. Voltaire2 Mar 22 #26
He got himself re-elected. Now he needs a mandate. nt The Unmitigated Gall Mar 22 #27
this prodigitalson Mar 22 #38
Reminds me of how Putin came to power orangecrush Mar 22 #28
So weary of the violence and sad over the deaths of countless innocent victims these past several yaers happybird Mar 22 #29
The news video just said that the roof has collapsed, so probably more have died inside FakeNoose Mar 22 #31
Two weeks ago, the U.S. warned Russia of imminent terrorist attacks OnlinePoker Mar 22 #32
urging Americans to avoid crowds, including concerts, monitor local media updates, and to be aware of their surroundings prodigitalson Mar 22 #39
So now it will be blamed on us n/t ArkansasDemocrat1 Mar 22 #48
I predict this will be blamed on Ukraine to solidify support before a conscription. Russians are not dumb people. keopeli Mar 22 #42
THIS orangecrush Mar 22 #47
Video Mosby Mar 22 #45
Death toll now 60... brooklynite Mar 22 #49

RussBLib

(9,012 posts)
19. Found this on Wiki
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 04:06 PM
Mar 22

Picnic (Russian: Пикник is a Russian rock band known for its unique style which is a mixture of art rock, progressive rock and original Russian rock. The band was formed in 1978 in Leningrad by Sergey Omelnichenko, Evgeny Voloschuk, Aleksey Dobychin and Edmund Shklyarskiy. Some of their early songs are written in Polish.
In 2016, the band was barred from performing in Ukraine due to their performance in Crimea after annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation, because Ukraine, like the United Nations, considers Crimea to be illegally occupied.[1][2][3]
Picnic were the band set to perform at Crocus City Hall on 22 March 2024 before the 2024 Crocus City Hall attack took place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picnic_(band)

orangecrush

(19,555 posts)
36. It is
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 04:41 PM
Mar 22

The blasts hit Buynaksk on 4 September and Moscow on 9 and 13 September. On 13 September, Russian Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov made an announcement in the Duma about receiving a report that another bombing had just happened in the city of Volgodonsk. A bombing did happen in Volgodonsk—but only three days later—on 16 September. Chechen militants were blamed for the bombings, but denied responsibility, along with Chechen president Aslan Maskhadov.

A suspicious device resembling those used in the bombings was found and defused in an apartment block in the Russian city of Ryazan on 22 September.[3][4] On 23 September, Vladimir Putin praised the vigilance of the inhabitants of Ryazan and ordered the air bombing of Grozny, which marked the beginning of the Second Chechen War.[5] Three FSB agents who had planted the devices at Ryazan were arrested by the local police.[6] The next day, FSB director Nikolay Patrushev announced that the incident in Ryazan had been an anti-terror drill and the device found there contained only sugar, and freed the FSB agents involved.[7]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
44. ISIS claimed responsibility
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 06:06 PM
Mar 22

ISIS claims responsibility for attack in busy Moscow-area concert venue that left at least 40 dead

ISIS has claimed responsibility for an attack at a popular concert venue complex near Moscow Friday that left at least 40 dead and more than 100 wounded after assailants stormed the venue with guns and incendiary devices.

The terror group took responsibility for the attack in a short statement published by ISIS-affiliated news agency Amaq on Telegram on Friday. The group did not provide evidence to support the claim.

Video footage from the site of the attack, the Crocus City Hall concert venue, shows the vast complex, which is home to both the music hall and a shopping center, on fire with smoke billowing into the air. RIA Novosti reported the armed individuals “opened fire with automatic weapons” and “threw a grenade or an incendiary bomb, which started a fire.”

State media Russia 24 reported the roof on the venue has partially collapsed.

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/europe/crocus-moscow-shooting

Putin is going to be annoyed.

Witnesses are saying the attackers looke "Asian." Sounds about right.

blue-wave

(4,353 posts)
7. Russia is asking for the world
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 03:31 PM
Mar 22

To condemn this attack. I'm still waiting for Russia to repent for their Mariupol theater attack that slaughtered 600 Ukrainian women and children
This is likely a Russian false flag to draw attention away from the war and the atrocities committed by Russia in Ukraine.

AP evidence points to 600 dead in Mariupol theater airstrike

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-entertainment-europe-donetsk-59fbc059a9fe9b5825841ff25025b5cc

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
24. Yes he does, for propaganda purposes.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 04:11 PM
Mar 22

Ex-KGB head wouldn't think twice about killing millions of his countrymen if it served his purposes.

Trump wants that same power.

EX500rider

(10,848 posts)
8. Lets hope the Russian Special Forces don't fail miserably in their response like during...
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 03:33 PM
Mar 22

...the 2004 Beslan school siege where they literally used tanks and flamethrowers during a hostage rescue ending up with 334 dead hostages, mostly children, or the also fucked up response to the 2002 Moscow theater hostage crisis where they pumped gas into the theater and ended up with 132 hostages killed.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis

Kennah

(14,265 posts)
41. Advocating for Almighty Satan
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 05:26 PM
Mar 22

I think Russian SpecOps were in a nearly impossible situation in Beslan. They perhaps aren't all that well trained in hostage rescue, and were pushed into this--much like the West Germans at Munich in 1972.

EX500rider

(10,848 posts)
46. Still, in any hostage rescue, tanks, RPG's, thermobaric weapons & helicopter gunships are not called for
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 08:10 PM
Mar 22

Especially as this was 2 years after the Moscow theater hostage crisis, so they had time to work on their hostage rescue plans & training & they had 52 hours to work out a better plan.

They had Russian police, Internal Troops, Russian Army forces, Spetsnaz including the elite Alpha and Vympel units of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB), and the OMON special units of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD).

And yet after 52 hours they had no fire trucks or ambulances on standby either.
When 186 children die in your "rescue" attempt, you have utterly failed IMO.

Kennah

(14,265 posts)
51. I don't believe that Spetsnaz trains in hostage rescue
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 09:59 PM
Mar 22

Almost every major military has a unit or units trained and focused on hostage rescue. Maybe the Spetsnaz has a group that trains in hostage rescue, but the Russian military does not have a good history of learning from their mistakes and training up.

womanofthehills

(8,709 posts)
50. US Embassy in Moscow warned of a venue attack on March 7
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 09:37 PM
Mar 22

NYT -
“The U.S. Embassy in Moscow issued a security alert on March 7, warning that its personnel were “monitoring reports that extremists have imminent plans to target large gatherings in Moscow, to include concerts.” The statement warned Americans that an attack could take place in the next 48 hours.

The warning was related to the attack on Friday, according to people briefed on the matter. But it was not related to possible Ukrainian sabotage, American officials said, adding that the State Department would not have used the word “extremists” to warn about actions ordered from Kyiv.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/world/europe/moscow-concert-attack-us-embassy.html

RussBLib

(9,012 posts)
11. 9500-seat sold out arena
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 03:44 PM
Mar 22

I think it might be hard to party as a Russian as your country is threatening the world and committing atrocities in Ukraine and elsewhere. But what do real Russians actually know about the war and the world? Hard to say.

Cannot trust the Russians.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
14. This has an Inglorious Basterds feel to the attack
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 04:02 PM
Mar 22

Locking doors and starting the fire

Question is - who was the target - who did it

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
35. Agreed
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 04:39 PM
Mar 22

Worked 25 years ago to tighten power - this time it will be blamed on Ukraine - maybe to justify Putin using tactical nukes on Ukraine?

It makes no sense for Ukraine to do such an attack. Not their style and no gain or purpose.

This was either Putin or Russian opposition inside Russia.

Regardless - the little bald psychopath Czar will use this as an excuse to use Nukes.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
21. Now 40 dead.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 04:07 PM
Mar 22

By the time this is over, there will be even more.

I'm glad this kind of stuff never happens in Russia.

Voltaire2

(13,033 posts)
26. These were innocent people, civilians not soldiers and this is a despicable act.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 04:23 PM
Mar 22

Those responsible should be arrested, tried, and punished.

happybird

(4,608 posts)
29. So weary of the violence and sad over the deaths of countless innocent victims these past several yaers
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 04:30 PM
Mar 22

My heart goes out to the families of the victims and the survivors who must be horribly traumatized.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
31. The news video just said that the roof has collapsed, so probably more have died inside
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 04:34 PM
Mar 22

No word yet, but it seems that more people were trapped inside the burning building.

Also no word on whether any group has claimed responsibility for the terror attack. (?)

prodigitalson

(2,422 posts)
39. urging Americans to avoid crowds, including concerts, monitor local media updates, and to be aware of their surroundings
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 05:09 PM
Mar 22

being aware of your surroundings and thinking "holy shit I'm in Russia!"

keopeli

(3,520 posts)
42. I predict this will be blamed on Ukraine to solidify support before a conscription. Russians are not dumb people.
Fri Mar 22, 2024, 05:27 PM
Mar 22

Though they are propagandized, many Russians know exactly what is happening but stay silent out of fear. Of course, there are a percentage of true believers, many of whom are young. That is the age group Putin needs for a conscription.

Typical Putin pattern is to shock the population by performing his 'bad acts' immediately following a positive, unifying event. For example, the Crimea invasion followed on the heels of the Sochi Olympics. This terror attack has followed a landslide (fake) election. To me, this has Putin's fingerprints on it.

It is possible he'll blame the anti-Kremlin rebels that are causing trouble in the South by Ukraine. (The Pregoshin army.)

One thing is for sure: this is a terrible omen of more horror and mayhem and killing on the horizon.

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