Trump says he could appeal New York fraud case ruling to the Supreme Court

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: NBC News

March 22, 2024, 3:47 PM EDT


Former President Donald Trump says he will challenge the judgment in his New York civil fraud trial "all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary."

“I’ll fight this all the way up to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary,” he said in an interview with Fox News, according to the conservative outlet. “They can’t take away your property before you’ve had a chance to appeal the decision of a Trump-hating, incompetent judge who has been overturned more than any judge in the state.”

Trump told Fox News that he has nearly $500 million in cash and other properties but that "doesn’t mean I’m going to give money to a rogue and incompetent judge."

Trump claimed on Truth Social earlier Friday that he has "almost" $500 million in cash, contradicting his lawyers, who said earlier this week that securing a bond for the nearly half-billion dollar judgment was "a practical impossibility."

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-appeal-new-york-fraud-case-ruling-supreme-court-rcna144717

[Irish_Dem]

1. Trump should be keeping his mouth shut right now.

And bragging about building a new headquarters in Florida now is not helping him either.

[Roy Rolling]

43. He can do that

The ticket to the Supreme Court costs him $454 million.

Pay the appeal bond and Trump can appeal all he wants.

He doesn’t have the cash nor the stroke. And Putin gets nothing by paying lawyers and legal judgements for his washed-up asset.

Since the media created this monster with free, bothsidesism coverage, it’s their responsibility to fix it. Start by selling advertising for shows without Trump. Profiting from the carnage now is immoral and bad business. Ghost him.

[DENVERPOPS]

82. Fat chance

95% of all media in the U.S. is owned/operated by wealthy Republicans. The Republicans got rid of the "fairness doctrine" which relieved the Media of being fair......

And don't expect the Republican Media to say a word about this situation with Trump is EXACTLY what the Republicans conspired to do, by corruptly stuffing the Supreme Court with their three newest supremes.......

Since 1979, the Republican Party has been running rough shod over the Constitution, the Rule of Law, morals and ethics, etc that they don't know any other way these days......

[wolfie001]

91. Republican mafia.........nt

[elleng]

2. FRAUD!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

3. Because it raises the Constitutional issue of ... what? NT

[Attilatheblond]

16. Exactly! His 'I'll take it to the SCOTUS' is more like: My dad's gonna beat you up

Poor lil Stinkums, he's still not over not having his daddy to bail him out.

[onenote]

17. The Supreme Court has heard several cases

involving allegedly excessive damages awards, which raise a constitutional issue.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

21. Thank you for setting me straight.

Well, enlightening me. Setting me straight is really out of the picture.

And good evening. Batten down the hatches

[getagrip_already]

30. This doesn't seem to fit that mold....

It's a business fraud case, not a runaway jury case. There doesn't seem to be a constitutional question here, as hard as stinky may try to imagine one.

There have been several larger awards appealed to scotus that haven't been heard. This law has awarded many larger awards that have survived appeal.

Now scotus does seem to give stinky special treatment, so who knows. But by the time it gets there, his assets will likely already be in the process of sale if not already sold.

[DENVERPOPS]

70. Correct me if I am wrong, but

if my memory serves me, it really doesn't matter if it is a Republican USSC majority, they can do whatever they wish...Seriously

I remember that there were tons of legal scholars that specialized in the U.S. Constitution that said there was absolutely NOTHING in the Constitution about the USSC having the ability to interfere in the 2000 presidential election and order Florida to stop the re-count of the Presidential ballots, and therefore handing the presidency to W......(something about "states rights"???)

AND worst of all, many of those legal scholars said that by them doing what they did, that now there was a precedent that they can use the future to interfere/intervene in any Federal Election without it being questioned.....

Maybe I am mis-remembering, but maybe someone out there knows for sure......

[90-percent]

92. the 2000 bush v. gore ruling

was when the supreme court learned they could get away with any decision they wanted and base their decision not on legal precedents and laws, but on their political interests alone.

-90% jimmy

[DENVERPOPS]

94. Yup

Right up there with their 2010 decision on "Citizens United"............

WASF

[Botany]

64. Egg Zack Lee

But even though this case raises no Constitutional questions I would not be surprised if the
Supreme Court still heard it. 6 of the judges are way dirty.

[Voltaire2]

4. So reading the text it appears that he 'has the assets', but will not put them up for the appeal.

In other words, he doesn't have the assets and his shit is going to get seized, and he will keep bombarding the courts with efforts to obstruct that and/or overturn the verdict.

[jimfields33]

26. Anybody with a brain knew he'd appeal. That's pretty standard for most judgements.

He’s doing what everyone knew he would.

[StClone]

42. Appeal equals delay, grind it all down to ennui

[jimfields33]

47. How the system works. People do it daily.

[paleotn]

57. Still has to come up with the cash regardless. That's the kicker.

[slightlv]

78. Exactly...

But I also think there are a lot of people who have had assets seized by the police before they ever went to trial initially. I think its one of the most despicable 'lawful actions' we have. And trying to those assets returned... Even if you're innocent has been nigh on impossible for common people.

So happy to hear Trump thinks he's do special with this action... /snark loop

[Eyeball_Kid]

49. More money being sucked out of the RNC. Trump is taking it all. n/t

[Think. Again.]

5. Okay, but if he doesn't cover the judgement with a bond by Monday...

...he will have to pay (or be relieved of) the full judgement amount no matter what the appeal says.

[Deminpenn]

54. As I understand it, the 30 days to post a bond was just a courtesy

The AG could have begun seizing assets as soon as the judgement order was entered and she can seize them at any time now. Trump's right to appeal is not contingent on him posting bond. The bond will only protect his assets until all appeals are exhausted. If he loses, the bond issuer would pay the judgement and it would be the bond issuers responsibility to collect from Trump. That's probably why no one, business or personal, is willing to put up the money. It might take years for that payer to collect from Trump, if they do at all.

[Captain Zero]

56. They know about the tradesmen he has stiffed on his constructions

He has put plumbers and electricians out of business.

[patphil]

6. SC has no jurisdiction. Just more grandstanding for his base.

This is a State of New York matter.

[onenote]

18. Not necessarily

See post 17.

[SlimJimmy]

75. Unfortunately, you are not correct.

Under the 8th amendment, the USSC could take a look at it. Not saying they will, but they could.

[Deuxcents]

7. Will he ever stfu and go away? He's a plague on our country

And he thinks the SC is his personal insurance from accountability

[CrispyQ]

10. I'm way past wanting justice for this pile of shit I just want him to croak. -nt

[Deuxcents]

11. I'm good with that

[Diamond_Dog]

27. Sounds great to me.

[birdographer]

35. Too bad there isn't a way

to reliably do a survey to find out how many people want him dead. Not in jail (he'll get out), not simply not President (he will continue to rule his crazy violent cult), but no longer in existence. And then of course make sure he is aware of it.

[SharonAnn]

41. I've been wanting that for years. Just go away!

[niyad]

88. I have been wanting that for a very long time.

[Traildogbob]

28. Damn it

He is an infected hair boil on a hemorrhoid on a baboons inflamed ass. With fire ants attacking to whole blob. And no medicine to stop the pain.

[BlueKota]

44. Well they have protected him so far, it won't

surprise me, if they just keep on doing it.

[hadEnuf]

8. This running to the right-wing SCOTUS by Trump for everything is getting old.

And is very telling.

Expand the court already and put an end to this nonsense!

[Raven123]

9. TFG is about to get a lesson

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/judicial/publications/appellate_issues/2019/summer/staying-judgment-with-appeal-bonds/#:~:text=In%20most%20jurisdictions%2C%20the%20bond,1.5%20times%20the%20judgment%20amount.

[ificandream]

14. Great link. Tx.

[Gore1FL]

12. Its weird the GOP wants to run someone who doesn't know how the government works, again. nt

[Attilatheblond]

20. He's a great magician's assistant, keeping focus on is antics while the powers behind him destroy democracy

He's just the front man. Of course, HE thinks he's the main act, because he's dumb & led around by his ego. All nefarious power men need to do is flattery him and he's there creating chaos 24/7 to divert attention from the actual villains doing actual damage. He isn't smart enough to overturn democracy, that would be the men in the shadows behind him.

He serves their purposes and being in the WH serves his purpose, mainly staying out of prison with the added feature of free travel and free security.

[thenelm1]

39. In other words, the monkey for the organ grinder? n/t

[FredGarvin]

13. Sad to say

We all know the dude is gonna skate.
All fines paid by bribes, zero jail time
Same old same old

[MorbidButterflyTat]

24. Uh, no

[H2O Man]

48. Not.

Of course, there isn't incarceration in a civil trial. It's always better to focus on what is true.

[TlalocW]

15. I saw something else where the thinking is that if they seize his property, that's a violation of 8th Amendment Rights

And that makes it federal, and he can go to the SCOTUS.

I'm not saying that's right. I'm just saying that's his "thinking."

[MorbidButterflyTat]

25. That sack of crap

doesn't know the 8th amendment from the 18th amendment. He expects his MAGAt justices to save his sorry ass.

[Shermann]

59. "Excessive fines" is a bit subjective

That could spell trouble in front of a right-wing SCOTUS.

[LiberalFighter]

67. If it his property is seized he instigated it by not providing cash for the appeal.

He had the option.

[Aussie105]

19. By all means take it to the Supreme court.

That way we can find out how functional or distorted the Supreme Court is.

Trump: "doesn’t mean I’m going to give money to a rogue and incompetent judge."

Well, the judge isn't going to get the money for himself. But feel free to insult the judge once more.

It's due to the State of New York.

Trump has no idea.

[LudwigPastorius]

46. Yeah, it's like "Europe doesn't pay its NATO bills!".

Moron doesn't know that there are no "bills". There is just a pledged percentage increase of a country's own defense spending.

He's got rotten brain syndrome.

[SouthernDem4ever]

22. Yes because SCOTUS is his personal court and he doesn't need to be accountable,

honest or ethical.

[Deuxcents]

31. Sure seems like it

[NanaCat]

23. Not that he cares or has the brainpower to know better

But if the law says bond up by, or start paying up on, X date, then he has to bond up by, or start paying on, X date. Those are the rules, and nobody is exempt from them.

He would expect someone who lost a lawsuit against him to pay a financial award immediately. What he can't stand is having to abide by that same rule, now the shoe's on the other foot. It never occurred to him that someone else could be smarter, bigger and tougher than he is in court. It never occurred to him that he might be up against an opponent with plenty of real money and real lawyers to outsmart him, outlast him and out-maneuver him at every turn.

He still hasn't accepted that a ruling could go against him, and, worse, that nobody will make an exception for him now that it's time to pay up.

It's a lesson he's long overdue.

[SKKY]

29. Keep talking dumbass! Keep talking.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

32. How's he going to bribe Clarence Thomas and others without any money?

[BumRushDaShow]

33. He has never used his own money

He'll do the deed with someone else's money!

[ancianita]

63. But can he really? If this disgorgement starts Mon or Tues, and he appeals Engoron's ruling

to the NY Supreme Court (which I thought I'd read that he already had and lost), he's still got whatever his holdings are under the control of the Attorney General and/or the State of New York. Right?

I doubt the SC would ever second guess the financial center of the world and take the case. Doesn't mean they won't, though; one never knows with the Ideological Six.

[BumRushDaShow]

65. In this case, he is threatening to go to the SCOTUS

But I wonder if he'll file for bankruptcy (the org), maybe even this weekend. It wouldn't remove the judgement but would muck up the timing of any disgorgement I would think and would provide delay.

I would point to what is happening with Alex Jones and recently Ghouliani, both of whom have huge judgements against them.

There is a monitor assigned (retired judge) to oversee the org and I expect she would need to be involved in that.

[ancianita]

66. The way you put it, then,

makes this even more complicated. Think he'll just go for the bankruptcy delay on the disgorgement? Wondering if the monitor Barbara Jones would/could also be delayed. I have not read Engoron's ruling.

To me this looks like another trump hot mess for the State of New York and the AG.

[BumRushDaShow]

74. There were a couple speculative articles I saw out there

and they had a similar sentiment - "he doesn't want to do it (but...) "

Bankruptcy is one way out of Trump’s financial jam. He doesn’t want to take it.

People close to the presumptive 2024 Republican nominee say he is not considering bankruptcy, even though it could ease his immediate cash crunch


By Jonathan O'Connell and Josh Dawsey
March 20, 2024 at 6:31 p.m. EDT


As Donald Trump faces dwindling options to pay off a massive fine imposed as a result of losing a fraud case in New York, financial experts say filing for bankruptcy would provide one clear way out of his financial jam.
Cut through the 2024 election noise. Get The Campaign Moment newsletter.

But Trump is not considering that approach, partially out of concern that it could damage his campaign to recapture the White House from President Biden in November, according to four people close to the former president, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions about Trump’s finances. Even though bankruptcy could alleviate his immediate cash crunch, it also carries risks for a candidate who has marketed himself as a winning businessman — and whose greatest appeal to voters, some advisers say, is his financial success.

A bankruptcy filing by Trump personally or by one of his companies could delay for months or years the requirement that he pay the judgment of nearly half a billion dollars, which with interest is growing by more than $100,000 a day. A federal judge would be charged with the time-consuming task of determining how and when each of his creditors, including the state, would be paid. In the meantime, Trump could focus on his campaign and not the debt.

“He’d rather have Letitia James show up with the sheriff at 40 Wall and make a huge stink about it than say he’s bankrupt,” one of the people close to Trump said. “He thinks about what is going to play politically well for him. Bankruptcy doesn’t play well for him, but having her try to take his properties might.”

(snip)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/20/trump-bond-bankruptcy/

Thing is, he's done it 6 times before and is still here.

We'll see.

[Orrex]

34. Why the fuck doesn't he just fucking die already?

Lots of good people have died in the past few years that we've had to endure his incessant bullshit. When the fuck will he stroke out or his heart explode?

[johnnyfins]

36. DO IT!!! Put it right in SCOTUS' Lap

They can be the reason for the fall of Democracy

[Mr.Bill]

37. What I wonder is

if confiscating any of his property or other assets involves action in a courtroom, how long can he delay that like he does every other thing that involves a courtroom? And can he appeal any of those rulings? You know he will try.

[PortTack]

38. Guess we're gonna find out shortly if he has the money or not. He can run his mouth all he wants

He isn’t giving the money away, it was never his in the first place. That was proven in court

[calguy]

40. So in other words...

Trump is conceding the fact that he'll lose his appeal, and he's counting on his hand picked SCOTUS to bail him out, because after all, they owe him.

[BlueKota]

45. So since his lawyers claimed he didn't have the

money but he says he does, the court was lied to. Can the lawyers be charged for this?

[jimfields33]

55. I doubt it since they weren't under oath.

Didn’t they say it to the media?

[bluestarone]

62. Maybe the judge could call for a affidavit, SIGNED by TFG and his lawyers?

Way past time to stop their lies.

[jimfields33]

69. By the time they'd do that, Monday will be here. We will know all then.

[bluestarone]

79. True, but i'm thinking they would NOT do it anyway.

Just would be nice to get them ON RECORD that they refused to sign an under oath affidavit.

[jimfields33]

86. That's true and excellent point.

[BlueKota]

89. It was in appeal document to the court.

[Kablooie]

50. He obviously WANTS them to take the money.

He has labeled it as money for his campaign.
If NY takes it he will claim election meddling which would be a federal crime.
That way he would have recourse to SCOTUS.
It would also create a big delay and confusion which is what he wants.
As an added bonus it would prevent them from taking any of his properties.

[EmmaLee E]

103. And his supporters would see "victim"

and run to his call to arms.

[brush]

51. Just post the bond and appeal away, trump. There's a slight chance the SCOTUS 6...

might help you, but with the low esteem they're held in now since snatching away women's rights...I dunno...they might start getting booed on the street if they bail you out.

[live love laugh]

52. Glad he's doing okay financially. Guess no donations are needed then.

[NanaCat]

53. And? So?

Anyone can do that, if they can afford the lawyers for it.

Just do what you're going to do, you worthless slob, and quit boring us with your daily personal dramas.

[2naSalit]

58. Thing is...

In NY State, you have no "right" to appeal. Not in this case, according to some legal eagle I saw on the news last night.

So all this bluster is just more bluster.

[FakeNoose]

72. He'd have to appeal through the NYS appellate courts first, wouldn't he?

Just because he's a former president, he can't just jump into the federal system when he doesn't like the state's ruling. The state's judiciary system is in charge of this case. I'm not a lawyer, but even I know that.

[2naSalit]

85. First and foremost...

Yes!

It's a state case, SCOTUS has no role.

[NanaCat]

96. IANAL. However, the way to sidestep NYS

And get into the federal docket is to accuse Engoron or the NY courts of violating a Constitutional right, or some other violation of federal law. Which is a long shot, to say the least.

I can't think of any other way to get around the NY appellate gauntlet before getting to the USSC. But IANAL. Maybe one of the many we have here could weigh in on the matter.

[NanaCat]

95. I don't know who told you that

But it's only in very limited exceptions that someone cannot appeal a ruling or verdict. Otherwise, no one would ever appeal court decisions in NYS, and every appellate court in the state is too overflowing with appeals for that to be the case.

There are of course rules regarding how to file appeals and conditions for filing them, but, other these technical matters, anyone can appeal if they can make the case to do so.

[2naSalit]

97. I'll try to research that...

Because that's what I heard from a credible source. There has to be a video somewhere, I just have to remember who said it and where, first.

[NanaCat]

100. I can see certain aspects of a case not being subject to appeal

But not a blanket lack of the 'right' to appeal.

There is a difference.

[azureblue]

60. He's just blowing smoke

He can appeal all he wants to, but he still has to put up the money. And his fat mouth has put his even fatter ass in a corner now, with the claim of having the cash. What will happen is, barring him actually coming up with the cash, thus making liars out of his attorneys, his property will get seized and sold off. IOW, he will have to put up his "cash", or shut up. But once seized, the banks will call in the mortgages - they do not want to get left out. Once that process starts, he will then have to go to the banks and pay off the mortgages in full. BUT the properties will still be sold, or at least held, to satisfy the ruling. The banks could try to put a lien on the properties, in hopes the new buyer will cover the mortgage. BUT Trump leverages his properties - one property is used as collateral for another property. So this could set off a cascade of banks calling in the loans, which would be far worse than the ruling itself. And if this happens, the banks will line up in court to make sure they get paid. And that is the end of his credit forever.

As best as I understand it, he does not own a single, wholly owned, paid off property. It's all a house of cards, built on over valued property. Which brings up yet another point - getting the properties re- valued. And in NYC's softening office space market, this is not good for him at all..

And threatening to go to the SC, is an empty threat - they will simply kick it back to the state on NY, since it is a NY matter.

[twodogsbarking]

61. Well stated. Isn't reality wonderful.

[LiberalFighter]

68. In reality. It would be easier for Letitia James if Trump did have the cash to appeal.

She wouldn't have to file the papers to seize his properties.

[FakeNoose]

73. I think the papers have already been filed on at least 2 properties

As of Thursday AG James has filed to take possession of Trump National Golf Course in Briarcliff Manor, NY and Seven Springs, a private estate in Bedford, NY.

I don't know if these properties would satisfy the fines, because apparently they aren't actually worth the value (selling price) that Chump put on them.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016374798

[LiberalFighter]

77. There is a lot more to do after filing those propertie.

Putting them up for sale. Determining the value. And much more I'm sure.

[BobTheSubgenius]

71. "All the way to the Supreme Court" is a LONG slog.

How much pro bono is his legal team likely to give, do you think?

[Turbineguy]

76. Delay, delay, delay.

[twodogsbarking]

80. Deny, deny, deny.

[Chainfire]

81. In less than a year, we will find out what our Republic and its systems are really about.

It is pretty simple, if Trump survives, and is victorious, in his financial, legal and political challenges, then the Republic is dead. At least, by Jan. 1, next year, we will be able to quit fretting for we will know, for better or worse. Right now, the suspense is fucking killing me...

[malthaussen]

83. And the USSC can kick it right back to Lower Court.

They usually don't deal with stuff like this, I believe. And I also believe they are not so in love with DJT as to go out on a limb for him.

-- Mal

[Grins]

84. Judge Engoron should go all "E. Jean Carroll" on Trump.

For this:

“(Enron is an) incompetent judge who has been overturned more than any judge in the state.” - Shrunken orange testicle facing financial annihilation.

Has he? Any proof of that? Like Carroll, that’s public defamation and Engoron should hire lawyers and go after the orange shit-eater.

[Evolve Dammit]

87. Why is this imbecile not gagged?? Literally and figuratively.

[liberal N proud]

90. Is he going to appeal everything to the SC

And are they going to save him every time?

[NanaCat]

99. Yes

Because that's what he does--and, like it or not, what he has the right to do, as long as he can can get a lawyer to run the appeals gauntlet.

I know it's frustrating how he has the resources to file appeal after appeal, but that's how the courts work.

[summer_in_TX]

93. He'll appeal? With what money???

He has to put up (wish I could add…"and shut up" but everyone knows he won't.

[NanaCat]

98. He doesn't need the money to appeal

He needs it to prevent seizure of his assets while an appeal works it way through the courts. He can forfeit his assets and hope that he wins on appeal, and thus the state will have to reimburse him for the loss of assets.

But he can still appeal, whether or not he fronts the settlement money to prevent asset seizure.

[Blue Idaho]

104. All he needs is lawyers

Willing to work for merch.

[summer_in_TX]

105. It was my understanding that to be able to appeal the judgment in New York, Trump would have to put up a bond

or cash. Can he appeal anyway?

[Martin68]

101. I doubt SCOTUS would take the case.

[NoMoreRepugs]

102. If the SlobFather manages to avoid all of this and win reelection the level of retribution will be beyond belief.