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BumRushDaShow

(128,979 posts)
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 07:38 PM Mar 23

New government spending bill bans U.S. embassies from flying Pride flag

Source: CBS News/AFP

March 23, 2024 / 6:40 PM EDT


Tucked in the massive government funding package signed Saturday by President Biden is a provision banning the flying of LGBTQ Pride flags over U.S. embassies. But even on the same day Mr. Biden signed the package, the White House vowed to work toward repealing the provision.

The prohibition was one of many side issues included in the mammoth $1.2 trillion package to fund the government through September, which passed early Saturday shortly after a midnight deadline.

As Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, a conservative Christian, scrambled for votes to get the bill passed in his chamber, he allegedly touted the Pride flag ban as a reason his party should support the bill, the Daily Beast reported.

The White House said Saturday it would seek to find a way to repeal the ban on flying the rainbow flag, which celebrates the movement for LGBTQ equality. "Biden believes it was inappropriate to abuse the process that was essential to keep the government open by including this policy targeting LGBTQI+ Americans," a White House statement said, adding that the president "is committed to fighting for LGBTQI+ equality at home and abroad."

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-embassies-banned-from-flying-pride-flags-new-government-spending-bill/

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New government spending bill bans U.S. embassies from flying Pride flag (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 23 OP
Cruelty really is their brand. Bleacher Creature Mar 23 #1
What happened to line item veto? kysrsoze Mar 23 #2
Could you point to an example? Miguelito Loveless Mar 23 #3
There is no federal line-item veto. Don't know where you get the idea Bush "did it multiple times" onenote Mar 23 #4
"What happened to line item veto?" BumRushDaShow Mar 23 #6
Term limits was also passed back then & also struck down by the courts. oldsoftie Mar 24 #19
The USSC had a hissy fit when a Democrat (Clingon) got it Warpy Mar 23 #11
Its a good idea to check the facts before posting onenote Mar 24 #18
There is no "Line-item veto". James48 Mar 25 #26
This can be fixed. Mr.Bill Mar 23 #5
How fucking petty. Freethinker65 Mar 23 #7
Exactly right! Keep eyes on the prize and let the Repukes think they "won" something FakeNoose Mar 23 #8
Honestly the American Flag stands for all of us. Captain Zero Mar 23 #9
Flying one flag is not mutually exclusive to flying others. jvill Mar 24 #15
I agree; the Embassies should simply fly the American flag oldsoftie Mar 24 #20
I disagree atreides1 Mar 24 #23
I'm sure there would be an embassy who would fly it in protest sakabatou Mar 23 #10
The only flag a US embassy should be flying is the American flag so as long as they restrict it equally I'm ok with it. cstanleytech Mar 23 #12
So we should take down the POW ones..? jvill Mar 24 #16
To be honest? Yes. Its an official embassy of the United States and not a memorial. cstanleytech Mar 24 #17
Probably, yes. Read this - RandomNumbers Mar 24 #25
Purely spite without any benefit to anyone IronLionZion Mar 23 #13
They have to put hate everywhere they can. Dem2theMax Mar 24 #14
It's been an on-off-on again policy since Obama. I also read sinkingfeeling Mar 24 #21
Can we get funding for Ukraine, if they promise...... 70sEraVet Mar 24 #22
Well fuck that. twodogsbarking Mar 24 #24

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
1. Cruelty really is their brand.
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 07:44 PM
Mar 23

I don't blame Biden for signing this as we have to fund the government and get desperately needed aid to Ukraine, but the fact that this was their price is vile and pathetic.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
4. There is no federal line-item veto. Don't know where you get the idea Bush "did it multiple times"
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 07:54 PM
Mar 23

A 1996 federal law authorizing a line-item veto was held to be unconstitutional in 1998. In 2006 Bush proposed a new version of a line-item veto, but it was not enacted by Congress. Another line-item veto bill, targeting earmarks, was introduced in 2009 and also failed to be enacted.

BumRushDaShow

(128,979 posts)
6. "What happened to line item veto?"
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 07:59 PM
Mar 23

It was passed under Clinton as S.4 - Line Item Veto Act of 1996, who used it much to the GOP's chagrin.

It was taken to court and struck down by the SCOTUS in 1998 -

Supreme Court Deletes Line-Item Veto

Clinton disappointed; Opponents of veto call it a victory for the Constitution


WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, June 25) -- The line-item veto is unconstitutional, the Supreme Court decided Thursday, ruling that Congress did not have the authority to hand that power to the president.
Line Item Veto

The 6-3 ruling said that the Constitution gives a president only two choices: either sign legislation or send it back to Congress. The 1996 line-item veto law allowed the president to pencil out specific spending items approved by the Congress. In his majority opinion Justice John Paul Stevens upheld a lower court's decision, concluding "the procedures authorized by the line-item veto act are not authorized by the Constitution."

If Congress wants to give the president that power, they will have to pass a constitutional amendment, Stevens said. "If there is to be a new procedure in which the president will play a different role in determining the text of what may become a law, such change must come not by legislation but through the amendment procedures set forth in Article V of the Constitution," Stevens said.

The court's ruling was a defeat for the Clinton Administration, which asked the high court to reverse the lower court's ruling. President Bill Clinton, traveling in China, said he was "deeply disappointed." Clinton was the first president to exercise the veto, which he did 82 times last year. Many of the vetoed programs are under court challenges and should now win their appeals.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20081008092502/http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/25/scotus.lineitem/


Shrub tried to get a replacement in 2006 but that went nowhere. Russ Feingold and John McCain tried once more in 2009 and that also went nowhere.

They like their "pork". You'll have loons in the GOP vote against it and then go back to their Districts and tout how they "brought dollars back to their state for their constitutents".

oldsoftie

(12,536 posts)
19. Term limits was also passed back then & also struck down by the courts.
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 07:39 AM
Mar 24

They said it needed to be a Constitutional amendment. Not sure of their reasoning but that was that. No one has tried since then
BOTH should've become law.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
18. Its a good idea to check the facts before posting
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 07:01 AM
Mar 24

The line item veto bill enacted while Clinton was president was a Republican initiative in Congress. In the Senate, the bill was introduced by Dole and of the 31 votes against, 28 were from Democrats

The decision striking it down was by a 6-3 vote. And the six justices you claim had a “hissy fit” because it was a Democrat using it were Stevens - who wrote the opinion— Ginsburg, Souter, Kennedy, Rehnquist, and Thomas. Dissenting were Scalia, O’Connor and Breyer

James48

(4,436 posts)
26. There is no "Line-item veto".
Mon Mar 25, 2024, 09:03 AM
Mar 25

That was declared un-Constitutional ages ago.

See Clinton vs. New York, 1998, where the Supreme Court found it un-Constitutional.



Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
5. This can be fixed.
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 07:56 PM
Mar 23

The economic damage from a shutdown is something we can't let happen. Biden knows when and where to pick his battles.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
8. Exactly right! Keep eyes on the prize and let the Repukes think they "won" something
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 08:39 PM
Mar 23


By November, we'll have the House, the Senate and the White House and they'll all be flying the BLUE flag.
So this little "pride" thing is meaningless.

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
9. Honestly the American Flag stands for all of us.
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 08:41 PM
Mar 23

Seniors don't get a gray and diarrhea colored one.
If LGBTQs want to bring a rainbow flag to the embassy and stand out front. Fine.
I don't think the embassy should have them removed.
I honestly don't understand why we would have been flying any other flag anyway.
It's the American Embassy.

That said I also think Johnson is an asshole.

jvill

(216 posts)
15. Flying one flag is not mutually exclusive to flying others.
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 01:18 AM
Mar 24

And as a supposed global beacon of democracy, it illustrates our values.

If those seniors you mentioned are LGBTQ, I bet you that they would be interested in flying that rainbow flag over the American embassy.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
12. The only flag a US embassy should be flying is the American flag so as long as they restrict it equally I'm ok with it.
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 09:51 PM
Mar 23

RandomNumbers

(17,600 posts)
25. Probably, yes. Read this -
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 03:17 PM
Mar 24
https://www.newsweek.com/its-time-haul-down-another-flag-racist-hate-361929

That said, let's keep things in perspective. The associations and understandings many people have about that flag, are VERY different than what is revealed by its history. I sure wouldn't make a political fight about it at this point. But if someone made a rule that conveniently took this flag down, we shouldn't mind.

IronLionZion

(45,442 posts)
13. Purely spite without any benefit to anyone
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 11:36 PM
Mar 23

since flying the pride flag doesn't hurt anyone either.

A quick google shows US embassies have flown the pride flag in Uruguay, Bahamas, Italy, and even Muslim countries like UAE and Kosovo with Secretary Blinken's permission.

Dem2theMax

(9,651 posts)
14. They have to put hate everywhere they can.
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 12:40 AM
Mar 24

It's their brand.



Hey, GOP. I hope you see this in your dreams.
Every single night.

sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)
21. It's been an on-off-on again policy since Obama. I also read
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 08:43 AM
Mar 24

that, unlike banning funding for UN Gaza aid, this is only a policy for the life of this bill...September 30, 2024.
It is a petty, mean 'victory' for the GQP, outweighed by the good things funded.

70sEraVet

(3,501 posts)
22. Can we get funding for Ukraine, if they promise......
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 09:25 AM
Mar 24

not to fly rainbow flags from THEIR Embassy buildings (at least until the Evangelocos lose the House)???

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