Visitors sue National Park Service over policy prohibiting cash payments

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: The Hill

03/23/24 2:15 PM ET


Three visitors sued the National Park Service (NPS) over their policy of prohibiting cash payments at various locations around the country. Elizabeth Dasburg from Georgia, Esther van der Werf of California and Toby Stover of New York filed a lawsuit in early March, alleging the park service’s cashless policy is violating the federal law.

The trio said they were not able to use cash when visiting monuments, national parks and other locations in the U.S. Since U.S. currency is “legal tender for all public charges,” NPS’s policy of refusing it at some locations is infringing on federal law, the lawsuit filed on March 6 alleges.

NPS’s “violation” cannot be “overlooked,” the suit argues, although the plaintiffs are not asking the court “to prohibit NPS from accepting credit cards, debit cards, or digital payment methods (such as ApplePay) should visitors to NPS sites prefer to use them.” The plaintiffs’ cash payments were rejected in Georgia, Arizona and New York.

Van der Werf was allegedly barred entry at three different locations in Arizona run by the federal agency. Stover was not able to tour New York’s Roosevelt-Vanderbilt National Historic Site after attempting to use $10 in cash for the tour. NPS does not accept cash payments at 29 locations, according to the lawsuit.

Read more: https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4551758-visitors-sue-national-park-service-over-policy-prohibiting-cash-payments/

[bucolic_frolic]

1. Good. "Legal tender for all debts public and private."

I bought a stamp for a package many years ago. I think it was 32 cents. Postal clerk, a little Asian guy in broken English says to me, "Cash, check, or credit card?" He was always joking.

THis is no joke. Imagine traveling all that way and expense and can't go in no way to pay.

[jimfields33]

2. I think it's for the safety of the workers.

Many locations where the workers are is off the main drag in a little box. Could easily be robbed. I think they should be exempt from accepting cash in these situations.

[Lithos]

11. yes, but it can still be mitigated

For instance, they can set up kiosks or booths at specific locations and issue tickets that can be used in lieu of cash at the actual site.

[RubyRose]

71. Perhaps install those cash handling machines at

7/11’s and such that have time locks so cash can’t ben quickly taken.

[Lithos]

81. Exactly

Or treat it almost like a "Lottery". The ticket is your admission - but there is a separate machine doing the transaction. Give a small handling fee to the business involved.

I do agree that it's impractical and unsafe to ask the Park staff to handle money in all cases, but this is a solved problem.

L-

[quaint]

31. Roosevelt-Vanderbilt National Historic Sites

In Hyde Park, New York 3 National Historic Sites are managed together as the Roosevelt-Vanderbilt National Historic Site.




I take your point but disagree with the no-cash policy.

[Warpy]

10. Yes and no

While that was my first thought, then I had a deeper think when I considered some o the national partks I've visited, especially out west.

The crew is tiny, relally really tiny. There is usually one person at the office, processing the credit cards of people coming in to visit or to camp for a while. One person. Usually an elderly woman who travels around doing seasonal work.

Like it or not, taking cash rhese days increases risk. Nobody's going to care about checks or credit card recepits, but if there is a large amount of cash (recepits plus enough to make change) on site, it's going to become attractive to thieves. This is likely why they stopped accepting cash.

Now I sympathize with some oeople who doin't like or trust banks and keep their funds in ElBanco de Cuervo (the local alternative) and want to pay cash for everything or the paranoids out there who don't want to be traced. The alternative for them is to call ahead and find out what the fee will be, stop at a bank or convenience store before they get there, and buy a money order to cover the cost. Problem solved.

These whiners don't want to do that. They want to put a little old lady at risk so they can have their own way.

What they'll do is get the smaller parks closed down while the larger parks ge more expensive so there can be a security guard there.

So while some suits might seem like a good idea on the surface, look and think about why they're duifferent and why that lawsuit might just be a rotten idea.

Taking cash used to be an acceptable risk before the war on drugs really got going. End that idiocy, defund the gangs, watch street crime drop, and we might be able to use cash again.

[IronLionZion]

3. Cash is high risk of robbery

For people like me who enjoy America's national parks, I recommend getting the annual pass and not having to worry about any fees anywhere ever again.

Sure I understand not everyone uses the banking system. But we don't want armed robbery of ranger stations by meth heads either.

COVID accelerated the switch to cashless. Lots more people were visiting national parks as an alternative to indoor activities.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

14. How common are robberies in National Parks?

I do have the senior pass, but I do want to be able to pay cash ("Legal tender for all debts public and private&quot for whatever.

[IronLionZion]

17. NPS ranger ranks 'dangerously thin' as crime rises, report says

https://www.eenews.net/articles/nps-ranger-ranks-dangerously-thin-as-crime-rises-report-says/#:~:text=At%20the%20same%20time%2C%20NPS,293%20in%202019%2C%20PEER%20said.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

38. The rising crime rate is NOT rising robbery rates.

Rather assaults, threats to rangers, and increased search and rescue operations. None of those should warrant refusing to accept our country's legal tender.

[DBoon]

77. Unsecured credit card readers are at a high risk of card skimmers

Meth heads also use stolen credit card numbers.

An annual pass will get you in the park, but it will not pay for sundries or other expenses besides park entrance.

[Ferryboat]

4. Not just the NPS

Vail owns the local ski area and went cashless. No risk of robbery. Just making life more irritating.

Vail operates under USFS, Dept of Agriculture.

[Blues Heron]

5. When the government wont take their own cash there is a problem.

I think they should look at low tech solutions like strongboxes, bullet proof glass, etc.

[Red Mountain]

24. Sure.....but that's going to cost.

Cash should be fine but I think it would also be fine for the price to be much higher to cover the higher costs.

Not taking cash is probably cheaper so more money can be spent where it is needed.

[Blues Heron]

25. how much does cashless cost? All those card readers, computer, fees etc.

why is the government printing all this money if they wont take it? Who is the dangerous money for?

[Red Mountain]

55. Not much

I use Square. I'd guess the government wouldn't need it to do the same thing. Readers are cheap.

The cash is for whoever wants it. Obviously, some are still very attached.

Not going away anytime soon.

[The Wizard]

6. Some businesses do this

to counter employee theft.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

15. Then they need to deal with the employee theft,

and not punish those of us who prefer NOT to use credit or debit cards.

[we can do it]

66. Do you visit National Parks often or at all?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

69. Occasionally.

I've never felt in danger of being robbed any time I've been to one.

[FakeNoose]

7. They need to create a closed-system debit card (like a gift card) and accept cash for the card

For example, visitors entering the park could purchase a $50 gift/debit card (or whatever amount) and buy it with cash or credit card. Then they can use that card to purchase anything inside the park and it's a "cashless" purchase. If the card runs out of funds, return to the entrance and put more value on the card using cash or a credit card. When it's time to leave they can turn in the card and get cash back for any value that might be remaining. This would solve most of the problems the parks are having with cash purchases.

[erronis]

32. Makes sense to me.

[pstokely]

48. some places do have kiosks where you load cash onto a debt card

but how do you spend a few cents left on a debt card?

[Attilatheblond]

51. Reload the card? n/t

[we can do it]

67. Its much cheaper to buy a yearly pass if you are going to visit a couple sites.

You can purchase ahead of time and avoid all this drama.

[FakeNoose]

72. I thought the issue was for purchases made inside the national parks

Once visitors gain entrance to the national parks, they can purchase food and other retail items while there. The issue with cash purchases means that park employees (as well as the visitors) have been subject to thefts and there aren't enough security people to hold down the crime rate.

By using closed-system debit cards it would dampen the petty crimes by quite a bit. Even if thieves made off with someone's debit card, they could only use it inside the parks, and it's hardly worth the trouble.

[niyad]

8. So it seems that a simple solution would be to purchase a prepaid

debit card in some suitable amount at a supermarket or some such place prior to heading to these venues.

[Wonder Why]

43. There is a fee for that.

[niyad]

59. Yes, a small one. Did I state that there was not?

[keopeli]

9. Cash is legal tender. Period. NPS is run by the government.

An alternate method of using a 'cash card' system is a good idea.

There are ways of dealing with the modern 'risk' of accepting cash without prohibiting cash. No one should be forced to pay a third-party to avoid accepting cash. You are paying for the service, even if it's not a cash fee that is collected. And, you have to give your personal info to use a third-party. We need cash in our society and the government, who issues all cash, should be beholden to accepting their own money as a legal form of payment.

[MichMan]

13. Can you pay the IRS in cash?

Why not?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

16. I suppose you could mail in the cash for your tax bill.

But even I, a strong promoter of cash, know that's a truly stupid idea.

Perhaps you could fill out your tax form, and if you owe money, go to your nearest IRS office and offer cash. They really ought to accept it. That would be an interesting experiment.

[marybourg]

19. The 1040 Instructions publication lists ways you can pay your tax obligation.

Cash is not one of them.

[keopeli]

21. Asbolutely, you can. Always did in the past. Just write them a check.

I realize checks are old school, but they are considered a cash payment. Checks are not at all like credit/debit cards. If you don't have a bank, you use a money order. Does the NPS accept checks/money orders? I doubt it.

[MichMan]

30. Why would the NPS be given an exception to take personal checks then?

If government agencies were required to accept cash? Do you think that is why the plaintiffs sued them? For not taking their check?

[keopeli]

36. You switched your question. It was 'does the IRS take cash?' Now it's 'would the NPS take a check?'

A person can do that all day, but it's not a real argument. Yes, the IRS takes cash in the form of checks. I have no idea if the NPS takes a check. But, as I said, the NPS should accept cash payments in some form, not just credit/debit cards. A "cash card" system would be a good solution, as another poster mentioned. It's not right to only accept credit/debit cards, which requires a citizen to go through a third-party and is dependent on credit history and worthiness among other restrictions. To address your question, if the NPS offered some type of cash payment (like a 'cash card' from a machine on premises, for instance), I do not think the plaintiffs would have sued. That has nothing to do with whether they accept a check.

That's all for now. Thank you for the discussion!

[IbogaProject]

85. You can but you will pay in time and inconvience

Here is an article by an Economist who is writing a book about the benefits of using cash, who had to go twice to successfully pay his balance in cash.

https://fortune.com/2023/04/10/paying-taxes-with-cash-economist/

[marybourg]

18. Legal tender for all DEBTS public and private.

Choosing to enter a National Park is not paying a debt. I think this has already been adjudicated once, but I’m not about to research it.

[keopeli]

22. A debt is simply an obligation to pay. If you want to enter a NP, you owe them a debt.

[niyad]

60. The use of a prepaid debit card does not expose you unless you

registet the thing. And in small amounts, there is no need to.

[keopeli]

63. I agree. They could set up a machine that takes cash or cards and gives a card which one can use on site.

[obamanut2012]

70. The IRS does not accept cash for payments

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

12. I was recently in a local restaurant that doesn't take cash.

I will never go back there.

"Good for all debts public and private" strikes me as requiring businesses to take my cash.

I pay all of my day-to-day purchases/expenses in cash. I find it's a much better way to manage my money. I've found that those who pay for everything with credit or debit card tend to spend all of their money and then some, get and remain in debt.

I get a set sum of money from my ATM every Monday, and divide it up into various envelopes: Clothing, Cats, Entertainment, Miscellaneous, and Health and Well Being. The remainder goes into my wallet to pay for groceries and day-to-day expenses. If I need new clothes, I see how much I have in the clothing envelope. When I need to get stuff for my cats, the same. The Miscellaneous envelope will pay for unexpected shortfalls in the other categories.

Here's the thing. With this system I find it easy to stay within my budget/limited income. I'm even saving money, which is nice.

Someone needs to sue a company that won't take cash. I do normally have a credit card with me, but I should go in to one of those places and say I have cash, and only cash with me.

Oh, at that restaurant the friend I was with gave her credit card, which is how she prefers to pay for things, and I gave her the cash for my purchase.

I am not saying people shouldn't use credit cards. I am saying cash is legal tender for all debts, public and private, and I cannot comprehend how any business can refuse to accept it.

And spare me the "dangerous neighborhood" crap. The restaurant I went to was in a very secure area of our city, surrounded by other restaurants that had no problem accepting cash.

[Jedi Guy]

23. Businesses aren't required to accept cash, period.

There is no federal statute saying they're required to do so, and the "legal tender for all debts public and private" doesn't carry the force of law. Any business is free to decide their own policy with regard to cash payments.

For many businesses, it's more advantageous to refuse cash. There's no currency for thieves (or employees with sticky fingers) to steal, less likelihood of the till being over or short, no need to even have a cash box or lock box, no need to make an employee or manager deposit the money at the end of the day, etc.

The move to a cashless society was already underway, albeit very gradually. The pandemic accelerated that since currency has repeatedly been shown to be absolutely filthy and can be a vector for disease. The federal government would benefit since they'd no longer have to run the mints, as well.

Within twenty years, we'll be a cashless society and those who use cash will be an extremely tiny minority, if cash is still available at all. Can't happen fast enough, as far as I'm concerned. I hate carrying cash and avoid it if at all possible.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

50. Predictions of a cashless society go back at least 50 years.

I vastly prefer paying cash for things. It helps me budget.

I've noticed for years now that those who exclusively use credit or debit cards, invariably spend more. Example: You want to buy a pack of gum, only have credit or debit card, no cash, and there's a $5.00 minimum to use a card. So you buy a bunch of other stuff. If you had even five dollars cash in your wallet you could just pay for the gum.

Oh, and can you give me specific example of people who have gotten any kind of a disease from the "filthy" cash?

[NoRethugFriends]

52. you're "invariably" is totally wrong

Are you credit cards and get 2% back on everything except 3% supermarket and 5% gas. For any reason I couldn't I would use a debit card if somebody didn't want cash.

I've saved {made} a lot of money over the years using credit cards.

Not to mention getting credit cards that have bonuses for signing up and then saving on motel rooms and airplane flights.

My experience does not fit all, but neither does yours.

[Jedi Guy]

58. I don't "invariably" spend more because I use debit/credit cards.

With respect, it sounds a little bit like a self-discipline problem that you're extrapolating from yourself to others.

To your example, if there's a $5 minimum for card purchases and all I want is a pack of gum that's $1.50, I don't buy the gum. I'll go to another store where there isn't a $5 minimum. Or, if my car needs gas, I'll buy gas and add the gum. I was going to buy the gas eventually anyway, so I'm not overspending. Simple solutions for a very simple problem.

And no, I can't point you to a specific example of a specific person who got sick and it was confirmed beyond a doubt that the vector for the disease was cash. Which is, of course, why you asked for a specific example: to set up a scenario I can't possibly prove. People get sick all the time and unless contact tracing and such is carried out, it can't be proven where they picked up the pathogen.

However, studies have shown that paper currency routinely carries pathogens such as E. coli, among others, while coins are more hospitable to other pathogens. Here's just one, from the National Library of Medicine.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24571076/

[niyad]

61. Actually, yes, I can. Conjunctivitis, commonly known as "pink eye".

When I was in the casinos, there was a state wide incidence of "pink eye", spread by the dirty money in the casinos. Everyone who handled paper money took precautions, used LOTS of alcohol/so-called "wet wipes", after every transaction. It was a bloody nightmare.

[we can do it]

68. Wrong again, I rarely use cash, have excellent credit and self control. Pay off balance every month.

[DBoon]

76. cash is great when your credit card keeps getting replaced for fraud

My card was flagged for fraudulent transactions twice in 4 months.

I now use cash for all transactions under $20 and with all service stations.

If National Parks aren't secure against robberies, they certainly aren't secure against card skimmers.

I would hate to be camping at a National Park, find out my card has been locked for fraudulent purchases, and unable to use cash for purchases.

[Elessar Zappa]

27. Businesses can refuse to accept cash.

So can government agencies. And you’re going to see it more and more as society becomes more “cashless”. Case in point, I was at a college basketball game and the concession stand was only accepting cards. I was surprised by that.

[pstokely]

49. do they have a credit card surcharge?

does anyplace that's gone cashless have a credit card surchage?

[chouchou]

20. This is 2024. Certain people would rob older people for money...even at a National park.

[Elessar Zappa]

34. I doubt there's more robberies now than there's ever been.

Crime overall is at record lows actually.

[chouchou]

56. What you say is true but,

..I would wonder why they started to instigate the new policy of zero cash. Have there been robberies?
If there was, I suspect they would not want the public to know (out of fear)
or, perhaps someone (high up) is just being paranoid.

[Think. Again.]

26. I find it disheartening...

...that so many businesses, and even governmental services such a the NPS, are so easily willing to forego the sanctity that our National currency should be awarded.

[woodsprite]

28. My so worked at Casper. They didn't take cash either.

I’m surprised they were never sued.

[Prairie_Seagull]

29. If this is purely an efficiency thing to find 'who pays what' for entry

and to make lines quicker then. they IMO can just figure out the mechanics of how to take cash quicker. If this is truly a safety thing then, it poses the problem of omitting a segment of the population that for whatever reason don' have cards. I believe if the federal government can do this what is to stop others from taking up this practice.

If the people can take the risk of carrying cash. The feds should take the risk accepting it.

The slippery slope argument can in some cases be full of shit but in this case to me it seems more real.

Good morning to all.

[IronLionZion]

35. There is no national policy. Each park decides if it wants to go cashless

my 2 closest national parks to DC both take cash.

[LisaM]

33. I hate not being able to pay cash.

I have plenty of alternatives (though I really recoil at the idea of Google Pay and don't use that). But with cash, I can kind of track how much I spend at an event like a baseball game or concert. It's also very useful for tipping.

I have been at places where the credit card system went down and then it's really a pain. That must happen at the parks from time to time. What do they do then, close the park?

[IronLionZion]

37. There are 6 days a year when all national parks are completely free

and most of the parks allow third parties to sell passes at local businesses and chamber of commerce type offices. Those can take cash if they want. I expect this lawsuit is going nowhere.

On the flip side, there are some local restaurants that have been cash only since the 1970s and will never change. They don't want to deal with credit card fees apparently.

Here's a useful site for getting passes and tickets ahead of time if you like https://www.recreation.gov/ I have the America The Beautiful interagency annual pass and recommend it.

[Prairie_Seagull]

39. This is a very topical question for me in general.

We went out to a nice lunch yesterday. 300 bucks or so. When it came time to check out. I brought the cash to do so. The very good waitress brought the bill in that little pleather thingy they put the bill in and I put in it the cash and a nice tip. She grabbed it and walked away. Got about 10 feet away and opened it noticing it had cash in it. She came to a full stop did some quick math and was in the process of turning around and decided not to. Accepted it and we went on our merry way.

This is going to become an issue, I believe. My answer is to use more cash and in my own way try to make the point when confronted. What will it do? Probably not much except to make me feel like I am doing SOMETHING.

I have cash stashed in my car and in my home and have plenty of plastic just in case.

This push to all plastic is wrong headed in my view. Where does it lead? Is that progress? and for whom? Multi-national corporations. A percentage is charged to use plastic. Will this cost be passed to the consumer. I know it is sometimes. You know the card companies want this money. I'd prefer it if they don't get it

[thucythucy]

40. Require exact change

and have workers deposit any cash in a safe to which they have no access.

Post signs that explain all this where everyone can see.

Safe is emptied periodically by an armed guard.

Result: no incentive to rob.

Problem solved.

[ripcord]

41. While US cash is legal tender there is no law or requirement that it must be accepted

One of the big problems is what to do with the cash at parks that are nowhere near cities, it must cost a lot to have an armored car make a run to Death Valley to make their collections. And there is a greater chance of crime at out of the way parks many of which have their entrance areas a good distance from the park headquarters.

[twodogsbarking]

42. The cash expert..............

[link:https://www.tiktok.com/@sammorril/video/7254269098169732394?lang=en|

[Mosby]

44. I don't think the issue is robberies.

Taking cash requires staff, usually management to maintain cash on hand (the tills), somewhere to put it (a safe) and regular deposits to a "nearby" bank.

Management needs to create, implement, and audit cash control policies, where the funds are recorded multiple times a day, bank runs including change orders are made several times a week, and the deposits are verified by a management employee who is authorized to access the bank account.

When employees make these bank runs, they have to be checked in, their vehicle needs to be insured and the employee needs to return to the site with the change order and update the tills and safe balance.

[underpants]

54. Yes handling cash is time consuming and it has costs

I’ve handled a couple bank accounts at different organizations. There’s a cost associated with everything and it takes time. As far as the vehicles, the NPS has a lot of vehicles. The Feeds buy a certain amount (many) vehicles from the major US car manufacturers every year. Many years ago I read that NPS has a vehicle per every 4 employees.

[Wonder Why]

78. That's why more and more restaurants won't accept credit cards? It may cost some for cash but more for CCs.

[Mosby]

79. Where did you read that?

The exact opposite is true, restaurants are one of the main proponents of cashless sales models.

This article discusses both sides.

https://www.delish.com/food/a27457960/cashless-restaurant-trend-is-dying/

"Going cashless at our storefronts frees our employees from collecting, counting, recording, and depositing transactions,” Celia Zhang, vice president of business development and operations for Fuku, says via email. At AlaMar in Oakland, chef-owner Nelson German says transaction times at the register are about seven seconds shorter since he made the decision to go cashless.

Restaurants also have to consider the distraction and the down-a-person reality of having to send an employee to the bank to get change, or to deposit money several times a day. Or they may have to pay for deposit bag pick-ups, which is one more expense to consider as restaurants try to cut back on labor costs.

They go on to mention robberies, which don't happen in cashless establishments, which makes for a safer environment for the employees and customers.

[Wonder Why]

82. Read it? I experience it. At least half the local restaurants in my town charge 3-4% more for credit/debit than cash

or give a 3-4% discount for cash. I'm not talking big chains because I do not eat at them locally or on the road. I'm talking about owners having a single restaurant.

And almost all of them started in the last year. Only one AFAIK has always been cash only.

[Mosby]

83. Credit card processing fees have come down a bit

Probably due to some lawsuits. I was part of one. The range now is 1.5 to 2.5 percent.

There is another, somewhat common reason why a small business prefers cash, and that's because the money is not reported to the state revenue department like cc transactions are. Not only can the money be kept off the books so to speak, but the tax collected by the merchant can also go unreported. This is what drives the 2.5 TRILLION dollar underground economy. No payroll tax, no social security tax, no Medicare tax, and maybe no sales taxed paid. I have been in banks making deposits where a truck pulls up with a company name of the door and the owner withdraws 5-10 thousand dollars. That's his payroll. I've been in small convenience stores with double registers (old school of course, x/z reads only) where they run cc transactions on one and cash transactions on the other. I have hired contractors who give me a cc price and a cash price.

Personally I would be wary of a restaurant that only takes cash. It's shady AF.

[DC77]

45. Research

I can find no precedent where this issue was decided in the context of a federal agencies such as the National Park Service and U.S. Dept. of the Interior. I don’t want to pay PACER to download the Complaint, which may have additional info. If it gets to briefing, I would like to see any cited cases and compare the facts to this one.

The rationale for the refusal is logical per this article
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/experience/national-parks/2024/03/20/national-park-service-lawsuit-cashless-entry/73041024007/:

The number of formal banks with relationships with the Treasury Department, where we could actually take cash, has really dried up especially in more rural or remote areas,” he said.

That combined with the closure of many brick and mortar banks force park staff to take that cash even farther to deposit, costing both time and money. Death Valley spent roughly $40,000 a year on processing and transporting cash, according to the park.

For a private business (not the issue but this is the legal code cited by plaintiffs), it may refuse to accept cash per the Federal Reserve:

Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?

There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise.

Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve Banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues." This statute means that all U.S. money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor.

[BumRushDaShow]

46. I was scanning and also saw a NYT article

that mentioned that one of the plaintiffs is using an attorney from RFK Jr,'s loon organization.

They claim they want "no monetary damages", just a "declarative" about the policy.

[IcyPeas]

47. I was at an outdoor event where they had a nice selection of great food trucks...

One truck was selling fresh donuts. I went to get one donut and saw their sign saying they didn't accept cash. I decided not to get the donut.

And I do understand cash is dirty and they don't want to be handling cash. And they are not going to pay a person solely to handle cash in a food truck. I get it.

Next time, I'll probably just get the damn donut with a credit card.

🍩 🍩 🍩

[RobinA]

73. I Won't

Any place that puts up barriers to doing business will not get my business. And I'm not really much of a cash person, I just don't like our society's increased imposition of rules, rules, rules, every damn place you go. Same with the "download our app" crowd. And I won't use a credit card if you charge me a fee. I will, however, promise to never use a check in a retail business.

[XanaDUer2]

75. I walked out of a restaurant wanting me to

Download its menu. Are you fucking kidding me? Covid? They cough up a regular menu when we threatened to leave

[WiVoter]

53. For Me, It's A Privacy Issue

And I think a big part of this is tracking/data mining. It's my business if I buy a Coke or a Pepsi, etc.

[Prairie_Seagull]

57. I couldn't agree with you more WiVoter. nt

[onenote]

62. Just back from a week in London. Never used cash. Never saw anyone using cash.

Even the buskers have readers so that instead of throwing a couple of paper bills in a hat, you tap the reader.

[Hekate]

64. Good for them

[we can do it]

65. Tried three different locations, sounds like she was intent on making a point.

And sorry, it makes zero sense not looking at websites for remote parks first, since they could be closed or have timed entry or other restrictions.

[XanaDUer2]

74. Good ridiculous

Id wasn't too pay in cash too. The fuck

[DirtySausage]

80. Unpopular opinion...

But I feel our national parks and state parks for that matter should be 100% free for all Americans. One shouldn't have to pay to enjoy that beauty.

[rockfordfile]

84. Good

They should take cash.