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BumRushDaShow

(156,466 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:17 AM Jul 2024

Trump asks New York appeals court to throw out $454 million civil judgment

Source: CNN Politics

Published 9:38 PM EDT, Mon July 22, 2024


CNN — Lawyers for Donald Trump asked a New York appeals court Monday to throw out the $454 million judgment in his civil fraud trial, arguing that the monetary penalty was unconstitutional and that most of the case should have been barred because the conduct was too old.

The former president’s attorneys raised several other legal arguments they lost at the trial court-level, including that no bank or counterparty lost money on loans, saying the judge made reversal mistakes in his rulings.

The filings are Trump’s latest attempt to throw out the $454 million judgment levied by state Judge Arthur Engoron in February, who found Trump, two of his sons – Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump – and their real estate business liable for fraud. The New York attorney general’s office will file their opposition papers next month. The appeals court could take up the case as soon as September.

“The award of $464 million in a case with no victims, no proven injuries, and no losses is not remotely defensible,” Trump’s lawyers wrote. The additional $10 million relates to other defendants in the case. “The ‘actual harm inflicted’ is nil,” they argued. “Thus, any punitive award would result in a ratio that is virtually infinite. The award of $464 million in a case with no victims, no proven injuries, and no losses is not remotely defensible.”

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/22/politics/trump-new-york-appeals-court-civil-judgement/index.html

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Trump asks New York appeals court to throw out $454 million civil judgment (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 OP
The victims were the people of NY who lost tax revenures. pfitz59 Jul 2024 #1
+33. Harker Jul 2024 #4
"Trump asks Appeals Court" Traildogbob Jul 2024 #2
I wonder if Barron has a bone spur problem like daddy. Dave Bowman Jul 2024 #6
This will be slapped down PDQ by the appeals court. ... or it should be Botany Jul 2024 #3
She wanted the "corporate death penalty" but Engoron said no BumRushDaShow Jul 2024 #5
So based on this info, what do you think is the likely outcome for NY state? ancianita Jul 2024 #8
Chump's company manages the buildings (hotels, condos, apartments, offices, etc.) FakeNoose Jul 2024 #10
Delay, delay, delay Warpy Jul 2024 #7
See if they did the paperwork correctly. There is a history. twodogsbarking Jul 2024 #9

pfitz59

(11,617 posts)
1. The victims were the people of NY who lost tax revenures.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:20 AM
Jul 2024

and by extension all of us because he has done the same bullshit across all his enterprises.

Harker

(16,575 posts)
4. +33.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:38 AM
Jul 2024

Though I haven't lived in NY for long, seeing "The People of the State of New York vs. Donald J. Trump" made me smile a little, and I started feeling more at home.

It's likely coincidental, but the rough patch of I-88 near our house is being repaved now.

Traildogbob

(11,482 posts)
2. "Trump asks Appeals Court"
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:26 AM
Jul 2024

The 4 most used words in Media ever! And will continue until he ends.
Can we ban the Term “Trump” like GQP did Climate Change in all federal Everything?
Deport the lot of em. They all hate this shit hole country. Barron included. End the gene pool here. Russia needs Patriots on the fronts.

Botany

(74,701 posts)
3. This will be slapped down PDQ by the appeals court. ... or it should be
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 08:42 AM
Jul 2024

Time for Tish James to start seizing Trump assets and close all Trump Organization
related businesses in the State of New York.

However I think I read most properties with the Trump name on them are no longer really
owned by the Trump Organization and are leveraged to the hilt.

BumRushDaShow

(156,466 posts)
5. She wanted the "corporate death penalty" but Engoron said no
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 10:26 AM
Jul 2024

and I think it is out of their control for like 3 years or something.

FakeNoose

(37,811 posts)
10. Chump's company manages the buildings (hotels, condos, apartments, offices, etc.)
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 05:22 PM
Jul 2024

He may no longer own many of the buildings, but that's beside the point. He charges large fees to manage the buildings, plus his name is still on many of them. That is Chump's major source of income - the management fees. He's been using 2 sets of books to misrepresent his income to the government and lower his tax liability. Tish James proved in court that it was all fraudulently reported for over 20 years, maybe longer.

Whether he owns the buildings or not, he still owes tax on the income from those contracts. That's how it works. He does still own some of the buildings and he uses those expenses for tax write-offs even though he's not entitled. That's how a lot of the fraud happened. It took NYS so long to catch up that Chump believed he was getting away with it all these years.

Don't forget - he owns properties, companies and manages buildings in several other states including NJ, IL, FL and more.

Warpy

(113,680 posts)
7. Delay, delay, delay
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:14 PM
Jul 2024

He's hoping to be off this mortal coil or at least so gaga from his daddy's Alzheimer's that he doesn't care when the bill finally comes in and his estate has to cough up the cash.

Courts need to put a stop to that shit by sanctioning his lawyers for bringing frivolous mostions that boil down to TFG saying "But I don't wanna."

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