Acting C.I.A. Chief Critical Of Film ‘Zero Dark Thirty’
Source: NYT
The acting director of the C.I.A., Michael J. Morell, has criticized a new movie about the hunt for Osama bin Laden, saying it exaggerates the role of coercive interrogations in producing clues to the whereabouts of the leader of Al Qaeda.
In a message sent Friday to agency employees about the film, Zero Dark Thirty, Mr. Morell said it creates the strong impression that the enhanced interrogation techniques that were part of our former detention and interrogation program were the key to finding Bin Laden. That impression is false.
In fact, he said, the truth is that multiple streams of intelligence led C.I.A. analysts to conclude that Bin Laden was hiding in Abbottabad, the city in Pakistan where a Navy SEAL team killed him in May 2011. Some came from detainees subjected to enhanced techniques, Mr. Morell wrote, using the C.I.A.s euphemism for harsh and sometimes brutal treatment that included waterboarding. But there were many other sources as well.
He said that whether enhanced interrogation techniques were the only timely and effective way to obtain information from those detainees, as the film suggests, is a matter of debate that cannot and never will be definitively resolved.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/23/us/politics/acting-cia-director-michael-j-morell-criticizes-zero-dark-thirty.html
Poor widdle CIA. Can't stand having a light shone on their sensitive widdle selves.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)It is the movie that appears to dishonestly portray torture as an effective technique, I am glad the CIA director is admitting it is ineffective. Now if he would only hold people accountable for it.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)From the OP:
In fact, he said, the truth is that multiple streams of intelligence led C.I.A. analysts to conclude that Bin Laden was hiding in Abbottabad, the city in Pakistan where a Navy SEAL team killed him in May 2011. Some came from detainees subjected to enhanced techniques, Mr. Morell wrote, using the C.I.A.s euphemism for harsh and sometimes brutal treatment that included waterboarding. But there were many other sources as well.
It would seem to suggest that torture got them the same answer as other sources. In other words, torture DOES work, but they didn't rely solely on it. They got this same information through other methods as well.
former9thward
(32,025 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)He may suggest some info was gained through torture, but he also makes it clear he does not believe the torture was nearly as effective as the movie portrays it. Granted he did not call it ineffective and I may have misread his statement on that aspect, but he made it pretty clear that the movie does not portray what happened accurately.
People need to stay away from this movie, no matter how good the reviews may be we should not send our money to film makers who glorify torture.
NealK
(1,870 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)supporting Brazil's military dictatorship, and Uruguay's right-wing regime as it went after leftist Tupamaros. The US torture specialist was Dan Mitrione, a true monster.
On edit:
Welcome to D.U., NealK.
NealK
(1,870 posts)JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)I haven't seen it yet, but is the choreographed torture worse than the series "24"? Bloodier that "Kill Bill, Part 1"?
I guess I don't care for government agents masquerading as film critics. Go do some spy stuff, Mr Morell.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Multiple persons, including an educator, scholar and filmmaker have said that the movie, which purports to be fact-based and an essentially true account of what happened between 9/11 and the capture of bin Laden, leaves strongly the impression that torture helped lead to the capture. Which is NOT true and not a morally ambiguous issue.
And there is NO particular reason for anyone to not speak up about that if that's what they perceived it to be.
Why would you be inclined to silence him about this?
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)gave the big break. Instead it was a constant building of an overall intelligence picture that gave them Bin Laden
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Bigelow has fetishized the military and is full of shit.
Even if torture DID lead to bin Laden, which it didn't, it is immoral and illegal and makes up hypocrites and bad guys.
snot
(10,530 posts)What I wonder is, who funded the movie.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Festivito
(13,452 posts)But, we do know that we did get good information BEFORE we tortured.
And, we know we cannot trust anything we get AFTER we torture.