CNN: NY gunman opens fire on responding firefighters

[Atman]

Source: CNN

Edited to add local news link. Upstate NY. Firefighters responding to a house fire were met with gunfire. Gunman reportedly using "assault rifle." Fire has now spread to second home.

Read more: http://m.nydailynews.com/news/crime/shooter-opens-fire-webster-n-y-house-fire-article-1.1226541?localLinksEnabled=false

[adigal]

1. Nice...kill the firefighters

Tragedies like the Ct killings just seem to get every other crazy acting out. Sometimes,,it does see like the end of the world. The end of the sane world.

[wake.up.america]

55. Firemen, among the bravest of the brave, And now this?

These guys will have to make sure the area is secure before engaging a fire, A very nasty proposition.

[Pachamama]

58. 2 Firefighters dead (shot fatally) 2 other firefighters seriously wounded....

Merry Fucking Christmas in the NRA of America everyone!!!

[Cooley Hurd]

2. Here's a few links:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/shooter-opens-fire-webster-n-y-house-fire-article-1.1226541?localLinksEnabled=false

Webster, NY, near Rochester.

Local ABC Affiliate coverage

Democrat & Chronicle article

[Atman]

4. Thanks! It figures CNN would be 30 minutes late

They haven't said a word about it since. But I found out that some reality show star broke up with his girlfriend after three whole years of commitment.

[Cooley Hurd]

9. I've been watching for 10 minutes and nada...

[no_hypocrisy]

3. Maybe if the fire fighters were armed with assault weapons for every fire . . . . .

Comment, Wayne LaPierre???

[Earth_First]

5. My hometown...

Webster being a sprawling suburb of Rochester, but hometown none the less.

Details are short and few, at least two firefighters at Strong Hospital, one via Mercy Flight for GSW trauma.

Of course, none of this would have been possible if we armed our firefighters to the gills...

[Atman]

6. Water cannons?

I'd love to hear LaPierre explain away this one. Maybe if fire trucks has gun turrets?

[geckosfeet]

16. Hello earth. I was alittle surprised to see that happened in Webster.

Frankly I am really surprised this happened there. But as we have seen - it can happen anywhere. I grew up in Penfield and dread the day...

[JustAnotherGen]

48. Me too

Scottsville girl - went to A.Q. for high school. City of Rochester or suburb or rural bordertown - things like this aren't what you expect to read.

[Earth_First]

51. Scottsville girl?

That's where we live...

[Liberalynn]

82. I from Canandaigua and my sister lives in Rochester

so sad right now. My sis knew one of the firefighters

[geckosfeet]

91. Sorry to hear. Horrible thing to see happen.

BTW - my brothers and sister are in Victor. I am the odd one out who moved out of state - in MA.

[Liberalynn]

95. It is a very sad thing.

I travel through Victor often. MA is a beautiful state too.

[Agschmid]

93. I'm in Henrietta... also too close to home. We need to make changes.

[geckosfeet]

94. I agree. NY has some of the tougher gun laws. But this shooter was criminal from the get go.

Question is, where did those guns come from? The police have them and will track them as far as they can.

[ileus]

7. Isn't this a technique we've seen on the battlefield?

Explode one bomb and then ambush responders.

[sulphurdunn]

8. Ambush?

Probably.

[bl968]

10. The NRA

I can hear it already, "Gee if only the firefighters were armed..."

[Cleita]

40. I thought firemen were armed. n/t

[tradecenter]

46. Most State Fire Marshal's are armed.

They are POST certified and are able to make arrests. Most are firefighters that have come up the ladder and become Fire Marshal's.
Arming firefighters? We've got enough equipment to carry already and besides, that's not our job, but if things don't change in this country vis a vis guns, then all bets are off.

[freshwest]

53. That was my thought too. How can they do their job with a gun in one hand?

At this rate our only job per the NRA will being to shoot each other 24 hours a day. Not much work to be done with only one hand.

[tradecenter]

59. They are no longer active entry certified firefighters

They go in after we've extinguished the fire to determine if it's an accident or an act of arson.
And I fully agree with you about the NRA.

[Shadowflash]

11. They need at least one armed national guard member on each truck?

Of course none of this would have happened if we had not taken god out of our firehouses.

[Jackpine Radical]

30. That last line qualifies

as the best sick humor of the morning so far.

"Of course none of this would have happened if we had not taken god out of our firehouses."

[cynzke]

68. Amen!

Praise the Lord and pass the ammo!

[Kolesar]

12. Its the price we pay for our constitutional freedoms

I have heard about people shooting at firefighters and EMTs before.
There is some sarcasm in the title.

[tradecenter]

72. It happened to the LAFD

and the LVFR during the Rodney King riots. I remember watching a video of someone shooting at LV fire trucks as they responded to fires in NLV.

[Earth_First]

13. They are allowing (at least) two homes burn while the area is being secured...

The second fire; it is unknown whether or not there is anyone in the building at the time of the fire.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20121224/NEWS01/121224001/Firefighter-shot-scene-fire-police-hunt-gunman-Webster

[loyalkydem]

14. How do you defend this nra apologist

[Earth_First]

15. Livestream link via 10 NBC

http://www.whec.com/article/stories/s2781847.shtml?cat=123188.shtml?cat=12318

[Cooley Hurd]

20. They're saying 4 firefighters were shot - two are dead...

[KeepItReal]

24. Thank you for the link

eom

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. How many weapons will they find after the fires are out?

My guess is a lot of them.

[City Lights]

18. What the fuck! eom

[AllyCat]

19. WTF???

If this guy had not had a gun and decided to use a knife, would he have done this kind of damage? NOOOOO!!!!

[Shadowflash]

33. B-b-but, you know, guns don't kill people.

The shooter could have killed those firefighters with a large rock, if he were determined, and the gun made no difference.

Geez! Don't you know anything?

[AllyCat]

36. A semi-automatic slingshot? nt

[Shadowflash]

43. Yeah.

There you go.

With 90 rock clips.

[dixiegrrrrl]

89. "90 rock clips"

Yabba yabba doooo...

[mzteaze]

96. Please reserve me...

A basket in hell for cracking up laughing at your post and 90 rock clip comment in response to it.

[PasadenaTrudy]

80. Yes, it's the cars that are killing everyone! N/t

[ReRe]

21. Oh great! The babies....

K&R

...and now the firefighters. This society is splitting right in two before our very eyes.

[Cooley Hurd]

22. They just said 4 firemen shot and 2 are dead!

Jesus!!!

[Earth_First]

23. Update: Four firefighters shot; two deceased

NBC

[KeepItReal]

25. Police have no info on the status of the shooter(s)

They've only said they have nobody in custody.

[AllyCat]

27. He must be dead. If they aren't looking for anyone and

have no one in custody, yet the heroes are doing their jobs after losing their comrades and fearing for their safety.

[Cooley Hurd]

26. Per the D&C, three houses are burning now...

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20121224/NEWS01/312240026/webster-shooting?odyssey=mod|breaking|text|Home

At least two Webster firefighters are dead, and three houses on Lake Road continue to burn after a gunman open fired on firefighters who responded to an early morning fire.

There are no active shooters at the scene, according to a news conference held by Sheriff Patrick O’Flynn.

The fire broke out at 5:45 a.m. at 191 Lake Road on the Irondequoit Bay side of the street.

The gunman open fired on the first firefighters to respond, striking one in the backside. Strong Memorial Hospital confirmed another firefighter was being treated, but it is not clear if he was shot or injured in the fire.

Webster Fire Marshal Rob Boutillier said it is not clear how many other firefighters were hit.

[Coexist]

28. the weapon is obviously the innocent victim in this scenario.

[OKNancy]

29. so sad and depressing

just one horrible thing after another. I'm trying hard to get in the spirit of the season... it's difficult.

[Cleita]

31. So I wake up this morning and more shooting? This time firemen?

OMG!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. They had to stop putting the fire out because of the gunfire.

Good grief, the world has gone mad.

[darkangel218]

34. There is stil nothing on CNN

[Earth_First]

38. Obviously the media handlers are blocking this breaking news to play damage control for the NRA

You cannot have tragic shootings of children and firemen on Chrismas Eve in the same two week period; just think what that will do for the gun control debate...

[AllyCat]

45. Four hours after it started, CNN FINALLY has a "Breaking News" link.

Did they have to check in with the Dark Lord LaPierre before they could say anything? FOUR HOURS??? The local affiliates worked faster than that.

[samsingh]

35. fireman need armed police to protect them

[RC]

37. Besides all the other stuff firemen have to wear, now they have to wear bullet proof vests also?

[font size="6"]GET RID OF THE FUCKIN' GUNS![/font size]

With less than 4.5% of the worlds population, why the hell do we need half of the worlds supply of guns!!??

The only continuous denominator with every mass shooting, besides the newly dead, are GUNS.
Somalia doesn't even have this much of a problem. If they did, there'd be nobody left there.

[marew]

52. Absolutely!!!!!

[polmaven]

39. Just went over to FR...

Not a word about it. Ignorance really is bliss, I guess, when it comes to the "right" to own any killing machine you care to.

How sad. Two brave souls lose their lives, not while fighting the fire (which is horrible enough), but shot to death before beginning their duties. My heart is aching.

[AllyCat]

42. Another thread says this is a volunteer squad

that is still recovering from an arson in the past year where the family perished.

[polmaven]

47. I pray that

none of the residents of the 3 fully engulfed homes is killed.

These 2 men volunteered for this dangerous duty and meet their deaths by doing so, My heart goes out to their families.

My home town yesterday marked the first anniversary of the first ever loss of a firefighter in the line of duty. A very solemn day for all of us.

[In_The_Wind]

41. Totally absurd!

[louis-t]

44. Media won't report it because they will be accused of siding with antis.

Why is everyone so afraid of the NRA?

[Earth_First]

49. Local media 10 NBC reporting a gunman has been 'located'

No details.

[JustAnotherGen]

50. Non Western/Central New Yorkers

For good updates check out the D & C - http://www.democratandchronicle.com/

It's the local paper back home.

[Festivito]

54. Will the NRA suggest guards at all fire sites?

We need to ascertain IF we can figure out what is wrong with these shooters.

If we can't, we need to find out what we can do for each other, quit going to wars, decide we don't mind the deaths, or Constitutionally drop certain guns as a right and maybe not even make it a privilege.

[SoapBox]

56. Go a head NRA...defend THIS.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

57. Now watch the Freepers claim this guy was a Liberal trying to get guns banned.

[Honeycombe8]

60. OMG. What kind of gun was used? What the hell is going on in this country? nt

[AllyCat]

61. Assault weapon reported in initial reports. No other info I've seen beyond that.

In other words, the killing kind.

[morningfog]

70. Prepare for the usual deluge of assault weapon parsing.

[Pachamama]

62. Our Country is seriously Messed Up.....

Here is a list of the "headlines" from the front page on that NYDailynews page....The only one that gives me hope is the last one titled "Hero Cop in Boston saves drowning woman"....Also that the Israeli's shoot down NRA's claim.... Sigh....now what we need is a Kardashian sisters update...



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[cantbeserious]

64. The Disease: Republicans And Conservative Ideologies - The Diagnosis: Terminal, The Country Is Dead

eom

[Pachamama]

65. We need a rebirth....

...until that time, we will continue to be diseased.....ugh....I'm trying to be feeling optimistic and positive and then hear about another shooting, this of firefighters....

Time to put on christmas music and turn off TV.....

[cantbeserious]

63. Ok NRA Apologists And Gun Nuts - How Many More Have To Die - Repeal The 2nd Amendment Now!

eom

[Botany]

66. When will this madness stop?

More guns = more gun deaths end of story

To all people who want to go on a murder suicide bender please
do the 2nd part first.

[yardwork]

67. This is beyond belief.

[Tx4obama]

69. UPDATE: Suspect responsible for shooting 4 firefighters, 2 fatally, ... was found dead at scene

Breaking News ‏@BreakingNews

Suspect responsible for shooting 4 firefighters, 2 fatally, in Webster, New York, was found dead at scene, authorities say - @news10nbc

https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/283255411325431808

[AllyCat]

75. link here. One of the dead heroes was an off-duty cop

responding as a volunteer FF.

http://www.whec.com/news/stories/S2876697.shtml?cat=566

[Tx4obama]

78. And another off-duty police officer was injured too

-snip-

An off-duty Greece police officer driving nearby the was also injured by shrapnel. He was taken to the hospital.

-snip-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/24/firefighters-shot-webster-fire_n_2358822.html

[underpants]

71. ARM the Firefighters!!!!

Hose #2 cover Ladder #4 they are going to the second floor.
Roger, suppressive fire hose#2. Get their heads down in all the houses around here.

[Dems to Win]

73. Second Amendment America is a scary place to live, work, go to school, fight fires.....

[Liberalynn]

74. My sister knew one of the voulunteer firefighters that was shot

He was the son of her hairdresser. My sister met him a couple of times when he came into visit his Mom at work. He had just gotten a job as a 911 operator for the Sherriff's department and was a volunteer firefighter as well. She says he was a really nice young man and his Mom was so proud of him.

My sis is crying. What a sad day.

How many more senseless gun tragedies do we have to endure before we all say enough is enough?

[tradecenter]

76. I came up as a volunteer firefighter

before I joined a paid Dept.. I have nothing but the highest regard for the volunteers of this country.
My heart breaks for this Dept.'s and their families loss.

[Liberalynn]

77. I share your respect for the volunteers

My late father was a volunteer firefighter too. Thank you for your service as one and as a paid fireman. These men were just trying to help and to lose their life this way. So senseless.

[janx]

79. NEWS CONFERENCE:

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/nbc-news/50289758/#50289758

Police chief fighting back tears.

[Cha]

86. So Sad..

thanks janx

[workinclasszero]

81. The NRA has the solution to gun violence

GUNS GUNS and MORE GUNS!!!!!!!!

[sanatanadharma]

83. Guns don't kill people...

...they cause people to want to kill. and the killers fear the guns will be confiscated before they get their chance at the thrill of the kill.

[liberal N proud]

84. What was the official NRA response? - Arm the firefighters?

Pretty bad when those dedicated to save have to duck bullets.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

88. Nah. Hire an NRA member to ride shotgun on every firetruck. (probably)

[themidniteskulker]

85. Let's all guess....

Let's guess, what is (or was) the shooter's preferred TV or radio network? Where he got his attitude and ideas? Can we? Can anyone guess? Yes?

[DonCoquixote]

87. I guess the GOP

Gets to ensure that civil servants cannot do their job, which emans they can hire scabs, who will die, and make the companies money thanks to the "dead peasant" insurance Wal-Mart invented.

[AntiFascist]

90. Maybe people who own assault weapons need to be put on watch lists...

first responders might then be able to refer to a database and be forewarned ahead of time!

[Ashgrey77]

98. Read the article, he was a felon, he stole the guns.

A watch list would not have done a single think to stop that man from doing what he did.

[veers23]

92. To pass and sign a bill to shut down gun shows, ban High capacity clips, an assault weapons.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pass-and-sign-bill-shut-down-gun-shows-ban-high-capacity-clips-assault-weapons/xCM5VSk3?utm_source=wh.gov&utm_medium=shorturl&utm_campaign=shorturl

[Remmah2]

97. He was an ex-convict, killed his grandmother with a hammer.

Was released on parole. Set his house/car on fire and ambushed the first responders.