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mahatmakanejeeves

(65,003 posts)
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 03:01 AM Jun 5

Trump Orders Investigation of Biden and His Aides

Source: New York Times

Trump Orders Investigation of Biden and His Aides

The executive order is the latest effort by President Trump to stoke outlandish conspiracy theories about his predecessor and question the legality of his actions in office.


President Trump ordered an investigation into whether aides to former President Joseph R. Biden Jr. enacted policies without his knowledge. Anna Rose Layden for The New York Times

By Chris Cameron
https://www.nytimes.com/by/chris-cameron
Reporting from Washington
June 4, 2025

President Trump ordered his White House counsel and the attorney general on Wednesday to investigate former President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his staff in Mr. Trump's latest attempt to stoke outlandish conspiracy theories about his predecessor. ... In an executive order, Mr. Trump put the power and resources of the federal government to work examining whether some of Mr. Biden's presidential actions were legally invalid because his aides had enacted those policies without his knowledge.

The executive order came after Mr. Trump shared a social media post over the weekend that claimed Mr. Biden had been "executed in 2020" and replaced by a robotic clone, following a pattern of suggestions by the president and his allies that Mr. Biden was a mentally incapacitated puppet of his aides. ... The former president called such claims "ridiculous and false" in a statement on Wednesday after the order's release. ... "Let me be clear: I made the decisions during my presidency," he said. "I made the decisions about the pardons, executive orders, legislation and proclamations."

The order comes after disclosure in recent weeks that Mr. Biden, 82, had received a diagnosis of advanced prostate cancer and in the wake of renewed scrutiny of his health during his presidency. ... Since his return to office, Mr. Trump has embarked on a campaign of retribution against his perceived enemies, with Mr. Biden as a key target. He has moved to strip Mr. Biden's security clearance and ordered investigations into the Biden administration's handling of a range of issues.

{snip}

A central claim of the conspiracy theory, as described by Mr. Trump himself, is that Mr. Biden's use of the autopen system -- which reproduces a person's signature to be affixed to official documents -- can legally invalidate those documents. ... Mr. Trump has claimed, for example, that some pardons Mr. Biden had made during his time in office were invalid because they were signed using an autopen. (There is no power in the Constitution or case law to undo a pardon.) ... Mr. Trump has acknowledged that his administration uses the autopen system on occasion. But his executive order asserts without evidence that the Biden administration's own use of the system may have "implications for the legality and validity" of some of Mr. Biden's actions as president.

{snip}

Chris Cameron is a Times reporter covering Washington, focusing on breaking news and the Trump administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/by/chris-cameron

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/04/us/politics/trump-biden-investigation.html



Hat tip, the Associated Press, via WTOP

https://wtop.com/government/2025/06/house-oversight-committee-expands-inquiry-into-bidens-mental-condition-and-final-acts-in-office/

Trump orders investigation into Biden's actions as president, ratcheting up targeting of predecessor
The Associated Press
June 4, 2025, 11:37 PM

{snip}
__________

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/06/reviewing-certain-presidential-actions/

PRESIDENTIAL ACTIONS
Reviewing Certain Presidential Actions
Presidential Memoranda
June 4, 2025
MEMORANDUM FOR THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
THE COUNSEL TO THE PRESIDENT
SUBJECT: Reviewing Certain Presidential Actions
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby directed:
Section 1. Background. The President of the United States, as the unitary head of the executive branch, holds tremendous power and responsibility through his signature: words on paper can become the law of the land, individuals are appointed to some of the highest offices in Government, national policies can be created or eliminated, and prisoners can go free. In sum, the Nation is governed through Presidential signatures.
In recent months, it has become increasingly apparent that former President Biden’s aides abused the power of Presidential signatures through the use of an autopen to conceal Biden’s cognitive decline and assert Article II authority. This conspiracy marks one of the most dangerous and concerning scandals in American history. The American public was purposefully shielded from discovering who wielded the executive power, all while Biden’s signature was deployed across thousands of documents to effect radical policy shifts.
For years, President Biden suffered from serious cognitive decline. The Department of Justice, for example, concluded that, despite clear evidence that Biden had broken the law, he should not stand trial owing to his incompetent mental state. Biden’s cognitive issues and apparent mental decline during his Presidency were even “worse” in private, and those closest to him “tried to hide it” from the public. To do so, Biden’s advisors during his years in office severely restricted his news conferences and media appearances, and they scripted his conversations with lawmakers, government officials, and donors, all to cover up his inability to discharge his duties.
Notwithstanding these well-documented issues, the White House issued over 1,200 Presidential documents, appointed 235 judges to the Federal bench, and issued more pardons and commutations than any administration in United States history. For instance, just 2 days before Christmas in 2024, the White House announced that Biden commuted the sentences of 37 of the 40 most vile and monstrous criminals on Federal death row, including several child killers and mass murderers.
Although the authority to take these executive actions, along with many others, is constitutionally committed to the President, there are serious doubts as to the decision making process and even the degree of Biden’s awareness of these actions being taken in his name.
The vast majority of Biden’s executive actions were signed using a mechanical signature pen, often called an autopen, as opposed to Biden’s own hand. This was especially true of actions taken during the second half of his Presidency, when his cognitive decline had apparently become even more clear to those working most closely with him.
Given clear indications that President Biden lacked the capacity to exercise his Presidential authority, if his advisors secretly used the mechanical signature pen to conceal this incapacity, while taking radical executive actions all in his name, that would constitute an unconstitutional wielding of the power of the Presidency, a circumstance that would have implications for the legality and validity of numerous executive actions undertaken in Biden’s name.
Sec. 2. Investigation. (a) The Counsel to the President, in consultation with the Attorney General and the head of any other relevant executive department or agency (agency), shall investigate, to the extent permitted by law, whether certain individuals conspired to deceive the public about Biden’s mental state and unconstitutionally exercise the authorities and responsibilities of the President. This investigation shall address:

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Trump Orders Investigation of Biden and His Aides (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Jun 5 OP
:nuke: elleng Jun 5 #1
This is to establish a shield for the goons around The Dotard in re his abuses of power. RockRaven Jun 5 #2
Except in one case it IS happening and in the other it WASN'T. Scrivener7 Jun 5 #12
I agree. It is being done to protect Trump and his aides down the road. Irish_Dem Jun 5 #26
classic fascist behavior. all thos xtian taliban types that make up the republican party will celebrate this nt msongs Jun 5 #3
Is using christian taliban verboten here? wolfie001 Jun 5 #21
Nope. They're not religious. christian taliban are a power front who use christian lingo as the rhetorical front ancianita Jun 5 #45
So many of these clowns abusing the tax code to pad their obscene wealth wolfie001 Jun 5 #50
Just like the felon has done. Just like the Koch oligarch network is doing. ancianita Jun 5 #51
Yeppers! wolfie001 Jun 5 #54
Wait... Didn't the SCOTUS already rule on this? Layzeebeaver Jun 5 #4
How does TSF intend to garner this "evidence"? no_hypocrisy Jun 5 #5
This isn't about evidence or guilt regarding Biden. ananda Jun 5 #30
Stephan Miller and James Comer will be Trump's official shit pickers Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 5 #36
Good thing President Biden has full immunity DemMedic Jun 5 #6
Nice work A Badger Jun 5 #7
...And this is after accusing him of being a ROBOT CLONE? He's ordering the investigation of someone he thinks (or much Karasu Jun 5 #8
Yeah, that auto pen thingy and robots... IthinkThereforeIAM Jun 5 #15
TACO forgot Biden is immune Old Crank Jun 5 #9
RACO Don does not think ahead... ProudMNDemocrat Jun 5 #13
I don't think criminal prosecution is contemplated Shrek Jun 5 #14
Probably just a distraction Old Crank Jun 5 #39
Biden immune? Yes. Those around him? No. Shipwack Jun 5 #42
Funny, I thought it was Reagan iwillalwayswonderwhy Jun 5 #10
sure, go ahead and make that precedent. mopinko Jun 5 #11
Is there no end to this madness? piddyprints Jun 5 #16
100,000 poor children starve to death and his christian followers don't bat an eye wolfie001 Jun 5 #20
Then they're not Christian followers, but just call themselves that. ancianita Jun 5 #49
LOL!!!! Another distraction from Trump's failed policies and illegal proclamations. n/t valleyrogue Jun 5 #17
Neah neah-neah neah neah booga booga DinahMoeHum Jun 5 #18
Red meat for the jackasses that voted for him wolfie001 Jun 5 #19
For now, I'm gonna' change TACO to Total Annoying Childish Offensive. chouchou Jun 5 #22
"Mr. Trump has acknowledged that his administration uses the autopen system on occasion." Wild blueberry Jun 5 #23
Trump uses Biden to get attention. On his own he is shitty shit. twodogsbarking Jun 5 #24
I remember Trump saying that he had didn't sign the Alien Enemies Act at a Press Conference neohippie Jun 5 #25
Maddow Blog-As Trump targets Biden with new investigation, a Republican endgame comes into focus LetMyPeopleVote Jun 5 #27
In addition to EOs and pardons, there are Biden's judicial appointments to challenge. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 5 #46
Did anyone see this coming?? Omnipresent Jun 5 #28
My first thought exactly -- 3 years and 7+ months more of this! Will we survive? KPN Jun 5 #37
Projection takes a great leap forward. Trump isn't rubber stamping Project 2025????????? bucolic_frolic Jun 5 #29
Another distraction Owens Jun 5 #31
Doesn't Biden have immunity from this kind of crap? Ohioboy Jun 5 #32
It only applies to Republican presidents johnnyfins Jun 5 #34
Oh that's right, I forgot! Ohioboy Jun 5 #35
Don't give them anything MoseShrute Jun 5 #33
I'd like to note that this is a NEW YORK TIMES article, yet it hasn't garnered the usual DU attacks maxsolomon Jun 5 #38
These investigations are pointless and meaningless. lees1975 Jun 5 #40
Joe has the trump card, ha ha not. If they call him to testify he can say he isn't mentally able. twodogsbarking Jun 5 #41
An "executive order?" More like "Executive Edict") Grins Jun 5 #43
DonOLD Rump Fat Fuck Head Trueblue1968 Jun 5 #44
It's like the head of the Mafia ordering an investigation into the FBI mdbl Jun 5 #47
tacoman is so jealous of President Biden who was a trillion percent better than him! kimbutgar Jun 5 #48
Unfortunately, they are only supposed to investigate crimes, ... aggiesal Jun 5 #52
trump is trying to distract from his failures by attacking President Biden. This will NOT work LetMyPeopleVote Jun 5 #53
How did Trump lose to The Wizard Jun 6 #55

RockRaven

(17,382 posts)
2. This is to establish a shield for the goons around The Dotard in re his abuses of power.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 03:17 AM
Jun 5

Every argument used to fight this effort will be weaponized in four years' time to try to protect the worst people in the world (i.e. the goons around The Dotard).

Count on it.

msongs

(71,431 posts)
3. classic fascist behavior. all thos xtian taliban types that make up the republican party will celebrate this nt
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 03:20 AM
Jun 5

wolfie001

(5,278 posts)
21. Is using christian taliban verboten here?
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 09:59 AM
Jun 5

Right? That's what they are. Back in the '70s, we called them "religious freaks".

ancianita

(40,637 posts)
45. Nope. They're not religious. christian taliban are a power front who use christian lingo as the rhetorical front
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 01:43 PM
Jun 5

for oligarch owners' messaging. As for "religious freaks," I was former hippie and young adult in the 70's and definitely never heard that phrase, just "Jesus freaks" who, apparently, are still around.

wolfie001

(5,278 posts)
50. So many of these clowns abusing the tax code to pad their obscene wealth
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 02:24 PM
Jun 5

All are using a bible to promote their scam. Through the ages, this has always proved fruitful to these mf'ers. If anyone tried to "tell you about the word of god" around 1975, you got labeled. Code words for "stay clear." At least at my HS. I hope these current "jesus freaks" are battling tRUMP, but I'm sure they aren't. I find the whole topic of religion boring and irrelevant. You can't ignore it nowadays because of the militant christo-fascists destroying the last shreds of Democracy. Just my take.

ancianita

(40,637 posts)
51. Just like the felon has done. Just like the Koch oligarch network is doing.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 02:51 PM
Jun 5

No religion produces these people. It's the evil in the people themselves, which is often mindless selfishness and sometimes intentional harm to others. Free will, like freedom, can be used irresponsibly. It's easy to hate. Hard to love. Jesus (who these people don't follow) wasn't about religion. He was about loving God and loving one's neighbor and using one's free will to forgive and not to succumb to selfishness. As the late Pope Francis said, "Selfishness is stupid."

As Biden said a number of times, this about light and dark. It's our calling to be a light and persevere in doing good, because the good attracts others to be better. And like Obama said, "Better is good." Biden taught Obama a lot.

Sometimes folks can hit a wall a lot around here.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20350563

But we've got three years to go. We'll be tempted to hate over the next three years, but we'll just kill our energy by doing that, so it's good to encourage each other, as our Democratic politicians do when they convene town halls in republican districts.

As Obama, Biden and Harris have said, we're in this together.


wolfie001

(5,278 posts)
54. Yeppers!
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 05:02 PM
Jun 5

republicons should be ashamed but they have none. Hard to tone it down when dealing with bonafide nat-zees.

Layzeebeaver

(1,963 posts)
4. Wait... Didn't the SCOTUS already rule on this?
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 04:15 AM
Jun 5

The president is immune for activities conducted as part of the role.

TACO must TACO!

no_hypocrisy

(51,847 posts)
5. How does TSF intend to garner this "evidence"?
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 04:58 AM
Jun 5

To the best of my knowledge, the President doesn't have subpoena powers.

You'd have to get sworn testimony from those directly in contact with Joe Biden -- and Joe Biden himself. Ain't gonna happen.

Even if TSF & his henchmen get circumstantial evidence, two things:
1. How will it prove their thesis?
2. And even it did prove their thesis, what good would it do? Biden's out of office. If they're going for nullifying everything that Biden signed as invalid, then TSF's EO's are equally invalid -- and null and void.

ananda

(32,124 posts)
30. This isn't about evidence or guilt regarding Biden.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 10:20 AM
Jun 5

It has three purposes: to deflect from his own guilt and
the evidence against him,

to stoke the mob and game the courts.

But the primary motive, as it always is for him, is personal.

He really hates that Democrats can make him look stupid,
petty, and ugly... while at the same time able to show his
true guilt and criminality

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(124,431 posts)
36. Stephan Miller and James Comer will be Trump's official shit pickers
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 12:23 PM
Jun 5

Maybe they'll find a peanut or two.

A Badger

(12 posts)
7. Nice work
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 05:28 AM
Jun 5

...putting this together.

In reality:
This is largely a farcical- yet wholly monstrous and massive,- slur against a man, his advisors, and the employees in his Administration, who all spent their time and energy trying to do The Right Thing. There is nothing here but months and months of slime and red meat for FoxNews, the social media freaks and bro's, and the vast networks of Donald Trump's 'pitchforks and torches' brigades.

On the face:
An effort to deem null and void President Biden's having
"... issued over 1,200 Presidential documents, appointed 235 judges to the Federal bench, and issued more pardons and commutations than any administration in United States history.".

It's the New America.
And it sucks.


Karasu

(1,346 posts)
8. ...And this is after accusing him of being a ROBOT CLONE? He's ordering the investigation of someone he thinks (or much
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 05:30 AM
Jun 5

of his fucking party thinks) is a fucking robot? What the fuck would the point of that be?!

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,184 posts)
15. Yeah, that auto pen thingy and robots...
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 09:30 AM
Jun 5

... has me chuckling. This is all about creating fake outrage amongst the MAGA, and sewing doubt. And projection. I don't think I missed any other points here.

Shrek

(4,265 posts)
14. I don't think criminal prosecution is contemplated
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 09:25 AM
Jun 5

This seems to be aimed at invalidating some executive actions.

Old Crank

(5,755 posts)
39. Probably just a distraction
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 12:47 PM
Jun 5

Right now economic numbers are coming out. Doesn't look like a booming economy

They have attacked the OMB because they didn't like real debt numbers. So now with econ numbers coming in flat to lower he wants to shift the narrative.

Shipwack

(2,728 posts)
42. Biden immune? Yes. Those around him? No.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 01:08 PM
Jun 5

Not that there was any wrong doing.

I wonder if Biden handed out enough pardons...

iwillalwayswonderwhy

(2,700 posts)
10. Funny, I thought it was Reagan
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 06:03 AM
Jun 5

Who let his staff and his wife run things. That’s how he got away with Iran/Contra. Because he didn’t know what his staff was doing.

mopinko

(72,665 posts)
11. sure, go ahead and make that precedent.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 07:04 AM
Jun 5

then we can undo every bit of your bullshit, taco. cuz we know u dont have a clue what your “people” r doing.

piddyprints

(14,966 posts)
16. Is there no end to this madness?
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 09:33 AM
Jun 5

Don't answer.

Can anyone think of any better ways we could be spending our tax dollars than what this monster has to offer?

wolfie001

(5,278 posts)
20. 100,000 poor children starve to death and his christian followers don't bat an eye
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 09:56 AM
Jun 5

Beyond pathetic and hopeless.

ancianita

(40,637 posts)
49. Then they're not Christian followers, but just call themselves that.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 02:15 PM
Jun 5

As the Christ they don't follow said of them, "You will know them by their fruits..." Matthew 7:15-20

wolfie001

(5,278 posts)
19. Red meat for the jackasses that voted for him
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 09:54 AM
Jun 5

Distract, distract, distract. The next 3 1/2 years. Hope he croaks soon. Praise the lawd and jeebus!

Wild blueberry

(7,696 posts)
23. "Mr. Trump has acknowledged that his administration uses the autopen system on occasion."
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 10:07 AM
Jun 5

Only relevant sentence.

More projection = confession.

Just to vent: hitting a guy when he's down is evidence of Frump's (lack of) character.

neohippie

(1,228 posts)
25. I remember Trump saying that he had didn't sign the Alien Enemies Act at a Press Conference
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 10:13 AM
Jun 5

Perhaps, his administration needs to also be investigated for other people doing things under Trump's name and authority

With them every accusation is usually an admission of what they have done or would do

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/03/22/trump-deportations-autopen/

Trump said he didn’t sign the Alien Enemies Act proclamation. So who — or what — did?
Did Trump misspeak? Is he trying to deflect a decision under heavy legal scrutiny onto Secretary of State Marco Rubio?

President Donald Trump told reporters Friday evening that he did not sign the controversial proclamation invoking the Alien Enemies Act to quickly deport migrants his administration says are violent gang members from Venezuela.

So what did happen? Did Trump misspeak? Is he trying to deflect responsibility for a decision under heavy legal scrutiny by suggesting he was merely following through on an idea proposed by Secretary of State Marco Rubio? And if he didn’t sign it, who — or what — did?

“I don’t know when it was signed, because I didn’t sign it,” Trump said on the South Lawn of the White House as he prepared to leave for his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey. “Other people handled it. But Marco Rubio’s done a great job. And he wanted them out, and we go along with that. We want to get criminals out of our country.”

LetMyPeopleVote

(164,684 posts)
27. Maddow Blog-As Trump targets Biden with new investigation, a Republican endgame comes into focus
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 10:17 AM
Jun 5

The overarching question is why Trump and his allies are intent on investigating his Democratic predecessor. They've already hinted at the answer.

The overarching question is why Trump and Republicans are so desperate to investigate Biden. As it happens, they've already largely answered the question:

They think they can invalidate at least parts of Biden’s record — specifically on pardons and executive actions. www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2025-06-05T13:02:46.136Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-targets-biden-new-investigation-republican-endgame-comes-focus-rcna211131

Donald Trump’s unhealthy fixation on Joe Biden took a weird turn over the weekend, as the Republican incumbent amplified a social media message that accused the former Democratic president of being a robotic clone after secretly having been “executed in 2020.”

While this didn’t reflect well on the current president’s judgment, it did draw some guffaws from observers who marveled at the outlandish absurdities Trump has embraced as part of his hysterical campaign against his immediate predecessor. His latest anti-Biden move, however, was far less amusing. NBC News reported:

President Donald Trump on Wednesday directed a wide-ranging investigation into former President Joe Biden and officials in his administration, accusing his aides of using ‘autopen’ signatures to cover up his ‘cognitive decline’ and assert presidential power. ... The announcement Wednesday directs the White House counsel and Attorney General Pam Bondi to investigate whether anyone ‘conspired to deceive the public about Biden’s mental state and unconstitutionally exercise the authorities and responsibilities of the President.


The presidential directive to the Justice Department came roughly two weeks after Trump published an item to his social media platform in which he accused officials in the Biden White House of having committed “TREASON” as part of a secret plot to “destroy our Country.”

Biden apparently wasn’t pleased with the developments, issuing a statement that described the investigation as a “distraction” from the Republican agenda. “Let me be clear: I made the decisions during my presidency. I made the decisions about the pardons, executive orders, legislation, and proclamations. Any suggestion that I didn’t is ridiculous and false,” said the Delaware Democrat.....

But it’s against this backdrop that some of Biden’s most antagonistic foes have already made their motivations clear.

Just hours before Trump signed his new anti-Biden directives, for example, Comer was quite candid during an appearance on Fox Business. “If these executive orders were just done and authorized by staff, and Joe Biden’s signature was forged on the autopen as some would believe, then I think the Trump administration is gonna have a pretty good standing in court to get rid of a lot of these executive orders,” the Kentucky Republican told viewers.

Similarly, the Justice Department’s Ed Martin, the Trump-appointed pardon attorney, declared this week that he’s investigating Biden’s clemency actions, which followed the incumbent president’s recent statement that he’s voiding at least some of Biden’s pardons because, according to Trump’s conspiracy theory, Biden wasn’t competent enough to sign or even understand them.

With this in mind, the endgame is coming into focus: Trump and his party want to invalidate parts of Biden’s presidency, clearing the way for, among other things, new partisan investigations into those whom Biden protected, further empowering the incumbent in the process.

Will any of this work? What will the courts say? Will there be a public backlash against Republicans for focusing so much energy into investigating the past instead of preparing for the future? Will the Justice Department start indicting Democrats to satisfy the incumbent president’s political demands? Watch this space.

46. In addition to EOs and pardons, there are Biden's judicial appointments to challenge.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 01:45 PM
Jun 5

That's the Big Kahuna. Biden appointed 235 jurists to the federal bench, which is nine more than TACO did during his first term. Getting rid of all those judges -- which includes Supreme Court justice Ketanji Brown Jackson -- and replacing them with loyalists would complete the Trump Trifecta, complete control of all three branches of government.

Omnipresent

(6,931 posts)
28. Did anyone see this coming??
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 10:17 AM
Jun 5

We have more than 3 years of this shit from trump! What’s next, The end of civil rights?

KPN

(16,692 posts)
37. My first thought exactly -- 3 years and 7+ months more of this! Will we survive?
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 12:31 PM
Jun 5

This asshole is now in the stage of just doing stuff because he can. He is now getting his daily energy and gratification just from the act of wielding power, doesn't matter what the effect is. His sole purpose now is demonstrating his power.

Owens

(530 posts)
31. Another distraction
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 11:13 AM
Jun 5

to keep people from seeing Trump commit crimes and talking about his illegal pardons (being bought)

Ohioboy

(3,676 posts)
32. Doesn't Biden have immunity from this kind of crap?
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 11:51 AM
Jun 5

Wasn't the whole reason the Supreme Court felt it necessary to give a president immunity so that a future president couldn't go back and start investigations against his political rivals? I seem to remember Alito being concerned about such a thing.

Ohioboy

(3,676 posts)
35. Oh that's right, I forgot!
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 12:20 PM
Jun 5

Just like it's perfectly fine for Trump's kids to get rich off their dad being president, and Trump himself to be selling crypto and Teslas from the White House lawn.

I can't really justify using the sarcasm emoji, so I guess I'll just leave this post the way it is.

MoseShrute

(68 posts)
33. Don't give them anything
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 12:00 PM
Jun 5

My advice: President Biden and his aides should snarkily respond to all of these comments. Dare the pukes to pursue it. Ignore any congressional hearings. Fight any subpoenas as baseless. If they ultimately have to “testify “ plead the 5th, and laugh the entire time. Tell them that discovery should really be fun.

maxsolomon

(36,656 posts)
38. I'd like to note that this is a NEW YORK TIMES article, yet it hasn't garnered the usual DU attacks
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 12:40 PM
Jun 5

accusing it of promoting Trump, downplaying Trump's bullshit, failing to editorialize in straight news reporting, etc.

Is that because it has this read-between-the-lines gem right at the top? "...effort by President Trump to stoke outlandish conspiracy theories about his predecessor..."

Are DU's army of NYT haters sleeping late?

lees1975

(6,610 posts)
40. These investigations are pointless and meaningless.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 01:00 PM
Jun 5

They come to nothing and they have no authority to do anything. They are a waste of taxpayer time and money.

twodogsbarking

(13,977 posts)
41. Joe has the trump card, ha ha not. If they call him to testify he can say he isn't mentally able.
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 01:04 PM
Jun 5

I mean, Trump always says he has mental deficiencies. Go Joe, your bad days are better than any day that Trump ever had.

Grins

(8,465 posts)
43. An "executive order?" More like "Executive Edict")
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 01:14 PM
Jun 5

He thinks he can pound out an EO over everything; including law.

Remember when Republicans set their hair on fire over Obama’s FEW! Executive Orders?

kimbutgar

(25,318 posts)
48. tacoman is so jealous of President Biden who was a trillion percent better than him!
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 02:05 PM
Jun 5

He has to result to petty shit like this! But the Supreme Court did give immunity to presidents doing their job so this is just a bs accusation because taco knows he is becoming more unpopular everyday!

That said this smells of nosterfrau miller in trying to cheer up the orange tacoman who is having a mental breakdown now. He is haunted by the knowledge that the muskrat might expose how he rigged the election in his favor and scared of the retaliation the muskrat might do!

aggiesal

(10,099 posts)
52. Unfortunately, they are only supposed to investigate crimes, ...
Thu Jun 5, 2025, 04:05 PM
Jun 5

not individuals in search of crimes.

Also, unfortunately for us, this idiot in the WH believes he's a king and can order anything he wants, under the guise of an Executive Order.

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