Texas officials face scrutiny over response to catastrophic and deadly flooding
Source: AP
Updated 8:31 PM EDT, July 5, 2025
KERRVILLE, Texas (AP) Before heading to bed before the Fourth of July holiday, Christopher Flowers checked the weather while staying at a friends house along the Guadalupe River. Nothing in the forecast alarmed him.
Hours later, he was rushing to safety: He woke up in darkness to electrical sockets popping and ankle-deep water. Quickly, his family scrambled nine people into the attic. Phones buzzed with alerts, Flowers recalled Saturday, but he did not remember when in the chaos they started. What they need they need is some kind of external system, like a tornado warning that tells people to get out now, Flowers, 44, said.
The destructive fast-moving waters that began before sunrise Friday in the Texas Hill Country killed at least 43 people in Kerr County, authorities said Saturday, and an unknown number of people remained missing. Those still unaccounted for included 27 girls from Camp Mystic, a Christian summer camp along a river in Kerr County where most of the dead were recovered.
But as authorities launch one of the largest search-and-rescue efforts in recent Texas history, they have come under intensifying scrutiny over preparations and why residents and youth summer camps that are dotted along the river were not alerted sooner or told to evacuate.
Read more: https://apnews.com/article/texas-floods-hill-country-weather-warnings-238d4325bb58f0b410015f74684738b6
The NWS DOES have that - it's called a "Flash Flood Emergency" and that goes out over the EAS (Emergency Alert System) to all broadcast outlets and cell phones (at least those equipped with the capability - most models do have that capability nowadays).

Apparently FFEs WERE sent out - at least in the Austin metro area and I expect in all of the areas that were impacted. You do have an issue where those "off the grid" and/or any without a cell phone and/or a NOAA weather radio, would not get the alert.
Of course, Muskrat and DOGE took a chainsaw to the NWS and NOAA for ideological reasons, so many bets are off.

Prairie Gates
(5,732 posts)The refusal of officials to put a "cap" on the possible missing is a huge tell. They know hundreds are unaccounted for, I suspect.
We will surely see a slate of "Camp Mystic Laws" passed everywhere in the country requiring any sort of camp to be hooked into an early warning system with sirens, etc.
BumRushDaShow
(157,314 posts)There was at least one trailer park that got flooded (and probably more). Raging water will lift those trailers right off their blocks/foundations. It's probably similar to what happens with hurricanes and coastal "storm surge".
kkmarie
(280 posts)about a slate of laws across the country because of this devastating event. My first thought was Yep everywhere but TX. They don't need no stinkin' laws
travelingthrulife
(2,944 posts)Grins
(8,660 posts)Texas - by law - does not allow common sense zoning. Texas oilman Hugh Roy Cullen called zoning an "un-American, German plan, against liberty and American values.
Cullen, one of the crazy hard-core conservative Texas oilmen, took sensible zoning to court in the 1940s. He was against it. And won.
Nicely described in the book, The Big Rich, which should be required reading just for the chapters on how these few - unbelievably RICH - Texans shaped the shit-pot that is todays MAGA conservatism.
calimary
(87,190 posts)But, seems to me, this kind of calamity DEMANDS a nationwide slate of laws. The tragic loss of so many precious kids cant be allowed to happen again - if AT ALL possible. All those families! Theyll never be the same again. Theyll have to bear this deep personal wound for the rest of their lives.
YES, DAMMIT! A slate of laws to prevent (or at least head off) another disaster like this. For Texas TOO! Too damn bad if they dont like it or we dont do things like that in Texas. Those sweet precious children are GONE. Just GONE. Forever. Theyll never fall in love. Theyll never grow up and maybe do some truly great things. Theyll never start families of their own, or learn coping mechanisms for tough times and/or occurrences. They died before they even got a chance to LIVE. Death is FOREVER!
And for anyone who may be in denial or who might want to refer to all the years where this never happened and everything was always just fine, and this was just an unfortunate anomaly, well, how bout what ACTUALLY HAPPENED, to THEM? Right THERE???
The ONLY thing the rest of us can even try to do is to take steps that can prevent future tragedies like this. I bet every one of those grieving moms and dads and siblings are being forced to deal with that, right now. I dont know any of those people, but my heart is broken thinking about what all those survivors are forced to face, right now - and all the way down the proverbial road ahead.
Lovie777
(19,466 posts)fired Meteorologists, weather experts, weather journalists, etc.
Hell yeah I blame shithole and comrades for this, and I fear this is only the beginning.
FEMA resources are going towards deportations and concentration camps. Read recently one of the heartless GQP/maga said of Alligator Alcatraz - in a hurricane, the concentration camp will not be evacuated. WTF.
Ol Janx Spirit
(353 posts)...about a climate that is changing in ways we do not understand and can not currently predict regardless of resources. They help--yes--but these two events should alert us to the fact that regardless of the resources we throw at prediction and warning, we are now in an era where nature will do things we have never seen before. We must be more prepared for that fact. In many ways we are on our own and must be mindful enough to save ourselves....
gab13by13
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about the size of the rescue effort. Honore' said there were not enough boots on the ground. Many more were needed and needed now. He suggested bringing in the National Guard. Honore' also stated they needed more helicopters. Honore' also stated they needed better coordination throughout the entire area that was affected, not just press conference coordination.
Another damning statement that Honor' made was that this has happened several times before and Texas never fixed the problem, he said this time they need to fix the problem.
Of course Noem will simply blame Joe Biden and the people of Texas will accept that. They will not dare criticize Honore' because he isn't afraid of them, he won't take their lies.
People can post a dozen articles that are basically coming from Texas politicians who are covering their asses.
I believe Honore'.
SorellaLaBefana
(398 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/05/texas-flood-recovery-dozens-dead-children-missing
Since they offer "thoughts and prayers"here's a Bible verse they might consider before prayingbeing Good Christians each and every one
Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each
esteem other better than themselves.
Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of others.
Philippians 2:3-4
Martin68
(26,227 posts)negligence.
paleotn
(20,648 posts)due to NWS cuts? Was the NWS's San Antonio office hamstrung by workforce reductions to the point they can't do their jobs properly anymore? And do they still have the tools necessary to protect the public? And I don't want all that brushed aside by some NOAA spokesperson forced to do so under threat of being fired and deported.
samnsara
(18,591 posts)..musk and every one of his doggy kids
paleotn
(20,648 posts)20+ campers, children, dead, why?! And they thought Benghazi would resonate. They ain't seen nothing. Hang the bastards with it.
Seeking advantage from a tragic situation? Dirty politics? You bet your ass. Effective politics is many times more than a bit dirty. Sometimes very dirty. What we don't know or chose to ignore is that POLICY and POLITICS are not the same thing. But they are connected. Like we've seen in recent days, if you don't do effective POLITICS, you don't get to do POLICY.
Old story about a political operator consulting a neophyte politician with a distaste for bare knuckle politics...."You can have all the noble policy ideas in the world, but ya know what? If you don't win, all those noble ideas don't mean shit."
Martin68
(26,227 posts)3 hours before it became severe at 1:00 AM.
paleotn
(20,648 posts)Martin68
(26,227 posts)arrangements for warnings about flooding events. They must have a landline.
paleotn
(20,648 posts)Not you. Thats directed at theauthorities . State and federal.
Jacson6
(1,460 posts)They let children die in Uvalde,TX and now it looks like 27 girls at a camp have been claimed by the storm.
DBoon
(24,018 posts)Marthe48
(21,377 posts)Failure of the power grid: People died
Hurricane Harvey: People died
Uvalde: People died
Barriers in the Rio Grande: People died
The same cabal has been in charge during each of these disasters, and they remain in charge as more people die because of their flagrant disregard for the health and safety of people they are supposed to protect.
SpankMe
(3,539 posts)L.A.'s response to the fires earlier this year were greeted with GOP accusations of un-preparedness, corruption, incompetence, DEI, etc. Has anyone heard what the line of GOP criticism is for the failings that led to the TX flood casualties?
I recall something about goose vs. gander?
TrumanTheTiger
(46 posts).youve gotta have government alerts (specifically emergency alerts and/or public safety alerts) turned on. That should blow through DND if thats turned on.
BumRushDaShow
(157,314 posts)some are automatically enabled and you may have to disable ones that you don't want (I had been getting a billion Amber Alerts and had to turn that off).
And the FFEs usually go out via an EAS so those would also appear on TV (often as a banner that runs along the bottom of a program being aired) and radio stations (where it will break in with the familiar "tones" ).
Some more general info (for the thread) - https://www.ready.gov/alerts
I have been signed up with Ready.gov and locally here - ReadyPhiladelphia for some time, so that I can get texts (and also get actual calls through a service they have - "CodeRED", which can go to both cell and landlines with an automated message).
I know during storms here, it can be insane with the weather radio blaring, cell phones ringing, as well as texts and emails pouring in!
Martin68
(26,227 posts)because it was 1:00 AM. Here in Virginia we always hear emergency broadcast alerts on our phones for flood warnings and tornadoes. They are very loud, so I don't know how Texans missed them. We always have our phones nearby if there have warnings about big storms or high winds.
Ms. Toad
(37,374 posts)At least according to others who have been in the area.
Martin68
(26,227 posts)I am surprised they had no plan to receive warnings by landline of possible life-threatening weather events.
Ms. Toad
(37,374 posts)Which took the lives of several other youth campers.
efhmc
(15,748 posts)Ms. Toad
(37,374 posts)ananda
(32,659 posts)Why such an obsession to be right along the river?
Isn't it just common sense not to put youth camps
or facilities right along rivers?
Martin68
(26,227 posts)ananda
(32,659 posts)They can still have camps close ENOUGH but
not dangerously so.
Martin68
(26,227 posts)Where kids are involved, it needs to be 100%.
Martin68
(26,227 posts)RockRaven
(17,636 posts)and then when children die because of that obvious negligence it's just "well, nobody could have known; Jeebus took the wheel; don't tread on muh freeeedumb!"
BumRushDaShow
(157,314 posts)I went to a 2-week overnight Girl Scout camp 3 different summers when I was in the scouts and the camp had a good sized creek (not a river though) that ran through it.
Many of these "comprehensive" camps do this because they offer some type of "boating" activity (we had rowboats but there was also canoeing available at the camp too and I think those activities were part of earning a badge). I expect some camps also offer kayaking as well and high-end ones might have sculling.
But what happened to that camp was that it got hit bad with flooding when Hurricane Agnes came through the area in '72 (the camp is in Eastern PA not far from Philly) and flooded the entire site -
When I had returned there, I saw the damage - a rope bridge completely upended and many trees downed in the woods where the creek ran.
When the weather "behaves", the water is serene. But in this era of climate change and more extreme weather events, all bets are off. They often dubbed stuff like this a "once in a century" event but they are unfortunately now happening far more frequently.
RockRaven
(17,636 posts)the taxpayers don't want to pay for it.
Well, they (don't) get what they (don't) pay for.
ImNotGod
(900 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(166,964 posts)Some experts say staff shortages might have complicated forecasters ability to coordinate responses with local emergency management officials.
ð¨ NYT: As Floods Hit, Key Roles Were Vacant at Weather Service Offices in Texas
— MeidasTouch (@meidastouch.com) 2025-07-06T04:33:59.776Z
Some experts say staff shortages might have complicated forecastersâ ability to coordinate responses with local emergency management officials.
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The staffing shortages suggested a separate problem, those former officials said the loss of experienced people who would typically have helped communicate with local authorities in the hours after flash flood warnings were issued overnight.
The shortages are among the factors likely to be scrutinized as the death toll climbs from the floods. Separate questions have emerged about the preparedness of local communities, including Kerr Countys apparent lack of a local flood warning system. The county, roughly 50 miles northwest of San Antonio, is where many of the deaths occurred......
The National Weather Services San Angelo office, which is responsible for some of the areas hit hardest by Fridays flooding, was missing a senior hydrologist, staff forecaster and meteorologist in charge, according to Tom Fahy, the legislative director for the National Weather Service Employees Organization, the union that represents Weather Service workers.
The Weather Services nearby San Antonio office, which covers other areas hit by the floods, also had significant vacancies, including a warning coordination meteorologist and science officer, Mr. Fahy said. Staff members in those positions are meant to work with local emergency managers to plan for floods, including when and how to warn local residents and help them evacuate.
That offices warning coordination meteorologist left on April 30, after taking the early retirement package the Trump administration used to reduce the number of federal employees, according to a person with knowledge of his departure......
John Sokich, who until January was director of congressional affairs for the National Weather Service, said those unfilled positions made it harder to coordinate with local officials because each Weather Service office works as a team. Reduced staffing puts that in jeopardy, he said......
An equally important question, he added, was how the Weather Service was coordinating with local emergency managers to act on those warnings as they came in.
You have to have a response mechanism that involves local officials, Dr. Uccellini said. It involves a relationship with the emergency management community, at every level.
But that requires having staff members in those positions, he said......
Typically, Mr. Sokich said, the Weather Service will send an official to meet regularly with local emergency managers for what are called tabletop operations planning ahead of time for what to do in case of a flash flood or other major weather disaster.
But the Trump administrations pursuit of fewer staff members means remaining employees have less time to spend coordinating with local officials, he said.
I have been through a number of hurricanes/storms including Ike, Allison, Harvey and lately Berly. There were weather service people coordinating with local officials during all of these storms. Here the DOGE and trump cuts meant that the weather service did not have the staff available to coordinate with the local officials.
lapfog_1
(31,143 posts)First - WHY the fuck were the camps even near the river... anywhere near a potential flash flood. This river has a history of flooding. The 1987 flood should have put all of the land that might flood off limits for human habitation ( even for camp housing ).
Second - Camps like this should ALWAYS have someone on duty 24 hours a day, tied into various weather, police, etc warning systems with the ability to trigger a variety of warnings ( flood, tornado, active shooter, etc ) with procedures to all camp counselors on how to respond within minutes to each type of warning.
Third - When they de-fund the weather satellites... and reduce the weather balloons, WTF do they think with happen. All models require data to operate. What is she even talking about regarding modernizing the NWS? New computer systems to run the models... sure. AI - OK... but all of these need data, the more data the better.
BumRushDaShow
(157,314 posts)and the last time there was a catastrophic flood like this, was almost 40 years ago (that 1987 event).
Many overnight camps are set up in "rustic" / "woodsy" areas with creeks and even nearby rivers like this so that they can offer a number of different activities like hiking, boating, horseback and bike riding. archery, rifle handling, arts and crafts, etc.
I expect since that 1987 flood, they may have had those personnel but if you have what they dub an "areal flood" (which happens over a broad area), everyone in the area may be screwed because there may be water water everywhere and difficulties for anyone trying to evacuate.
I had heard a news report that there was a large RV park that was full (it was the holiday weekend) where RVs were washed away. I had heard earlier that trailer parks were also impacted by the flooding.
lapfog_1
(31,143 posts)I went to camps like this as a kid ( boy scouts ) and while woodsy, etc, they were on lakes, not rivers. flooding a lake rapidly with currents, while possible, is much harder to do. As for trailer parks and RV parks, I feel sorry for those people... they should not have been in the flood plain either, but presumably the adults living / camping there take some of the responsibility. The bible camp for younger girls had the responsibility to look after them ( my point number 2 ) and camp counselors to have people evacuate given even 15 minutes of notice ( run, leave everything, run to higher ground and then climb a tree as high as you can )...
Cha
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DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)I think a lot of people did that during Katrina, only to be trapped in the attic with no way to get out. WBush said only a couple of hundred died, but then we found out later that like at least 1800 were missing..........
Skittles
(166,338 posts)IT'S ALL REPUKES