Controversy over Adolf Hitler statue in Warsaw ghetto
Source: guardian
A statue of Adolf Hitler praying on his knees has sparked controversy after going on display in the former Warsaw ghetto.
The artwork by Italian artist Maurizio Cattelan, titled Him, has been installed in the Polish capital where thousands of Jews were killed or sent to their deaths by the Nazi regime.
The statue has attracted large numbers of visitors since its installation last month, but some organisations have criticised the decision to erect it in such a sensitive area.
One Jewish advocacy group, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, described the statue's placement as "a senseless provocation which insults the memory of the Nazis' Jewish victims".
Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/28/adolf-hitler-statue-warsaw-ghetto
Deep13
(39,154 posts)Wow.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Making a statue of Hitler, but one as a work of "art"?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)First thing I thought of was Serrano's "Piss Christ". That, now this? What next?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)daleo
(21,317 posts)Actual history is much more shocking than art.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)A fart joke and a little vaudeville. Works every time.
Some of my more boring moments are relieved from rating the names of bands: Toxic Shock, Jesus Christ Superfly, The Raunch Hands, Exploding Pintos, etc. Once, here in Austin, three local punk bands sent in and had published in the daily their bill at a local club:
The Big Boys'
Dicks'
Stains
The daily was confronted by a fresh challenge shortly thereafter by how to publish a 1" ad for The Shitty Beatles.
marshall
(6,665 posts)Crucifixes smeared in feces and floating in mayonnaise jars full of artist urine is commonplace now. Folks have to try really hard to be offensive now.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)zellie
(437 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)Where is the graffiti, the pigeon feces, the dog urine the splash of paint?
Wolf
How could this have been installed?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Throw it in the garbage dump and let it live there. That's where it belongs.
And may the artist become a pariah. I'm an artists and this is the first time in my life that I've reacted this way. Usually there is some sort of redeeming factor in controvertial art and I can appreciate it, even if for it's intended purpose of shocking the public. This is just pure garbage. There is not a single redeeming thing about it. Not one. Not even for it's shock value.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)The artist's intention wasn't to shock, but to make a point. From the back, the piece looks like a praying schoolboy. As you come around it, you slowly realize that it's Hitler. The artist himself said that the point of the work was to illustrate the fact that every evil man was once an innocent child. People aren't BORN monsters, but BECOME monsters. Adolph Hitler, like so many other evil people throughout history, was once an innocent child, and was transformed into a monster by his life experiences, his interactions with others, and the influences of the society around him.
The Hitler piece is only part of a larger collection currently on display called AMEN. It's the only piece that deals with Hitler, but the entire point of the display is to provoke discussion into the relationship between society, religion, good, and evil. This piece was intended to provike its own questions. Would Hitler have been evil if his father had been less abusive and more supportive? If his mother had been more loving? If he hadn't grown up surrounded by ethnic nationalists? How much responsibility does society bear for what he became?
While it's unquestionably controversial, and while I DO disagree with it's placement on the site of the former ghetto, I can see the artists goals and disagree with the idea that it has no redeeming qualities.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)Ron Rosenbaum used somewhat the same approach in his 1998 book Explaining Hitler: The Search for the Origins of His Evil.
This was the photo he used on the frontispiece to that work:
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The publisher also chose to use it on the cover in a split photo, the other half of which is Hitler haranguing a crowd somewhere. I thought it would have been more effective had the baby photo been limited to the frontispiece, with the typical Hitler photo on the cover, thus preparing the mind with the usual Hitler-type shot then surprising with the baby shot. In any case, the publisher didn't consult me...
I also disagree with the placement of Cattelan's Hitler sculpture, and agree with you about the artist's intent and the poor quality of the writeup. Other articles were much clearer on his intent, including his (challenge?) to a predominantly Roman Catholic nation of the Christian idea of forgiveness, as well as what he apparently believes is a Polish "forgetting."
Returning to the off-topic of Rosenbaum's book: He interviewed many of the major historians who have written extensively on Hitler for their ideas on what made the man what he became. It's certainly worth a read, if you haven't done so already.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I think I prefer ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurizio_Cattelan
The artist does not shrink from controversy. It's been a lucrative field for him.
UTUSN
(70,706 posts)Response to UTUSN (Reply #14)
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UTUSN
(70,706 posts)Otoh, skipping past all the examples available (MUSSOLINI, one of the prominent wings of the Mob being the Italian Mafia --there are also Russian and Jewish Mobs -- I would rest my case on just ONE example of the national defects of self-deception and arrogance: SCALIA.
That said, (a rhetorical question, not an invitation for discussion) what is the point of going personal and literal to fling the "silly" word. (Note, no question mark.)
alfredo
(60,074 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)How was that even allowed?
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)That's the most disgusting thing I have ever heard of.
Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)standing behind him pointing it at Schicklgruber's head.
Wolf
Skittles
(153,169 posts)WTF
Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)Didn't the Nazis level Warsaw after the ghetto uprising? Why the hell would someone put a statue of him there in that area? I guess the artist wanted some notoriety. I bet his work will have a umm. accident in the not too distant future.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Poland's chief rabbi, Michael Schudrich, said he was consulted on the installation's placement but did not oppose it because it conveyed a strong moral question by provoking the audience.
He said he was reassured by the organisers who told him the statue did not aim to rehabilitate Hitler but instead show that evil can present itself in the guise of a "sweet praying child"."
I felt there could be educational value to it," Schudrich added.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/28/adolf-hitler-statue-warsaw-ghetto
wordpix
(18,652 posts)This is just stupid to put praying Hitler in the Warsaw ghetto. And my guess is not many think of "innocent child" when seeing Hitler on his knees. Piss on it, that's what it deserves.