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BumRushDaShow

(161,181 posts)
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 05:52 PM Wednesday

Order of nuns slams boss for comparing Charlie Kirk to saint: 'false prophets'

Source: Raw Story

October 1, 2025 1:53PM ET


A group of New York nuns are criticizing Cardinal Timothy Dolan's praise of late MAGA influencer Charlie Kirk and likening him to “a modern-day St. Paul," saying his words "do not reflect the qualities of a saint." "We grieve every loss of life and unequivocally condemn the killing of Mr. Kirk," Sisters of Charity of New York wrote in a statement.

"What Cardinal Dolan may not have known is that many of Mr. Kirk’s words were marked by racist, homophobic, transphobic, and anti-immigrant rhetoric, by violent pro-gun advocacy, and by the promotion of Christian nationalism. These prejudicial words do not reflect the qualities of a saint. To compare Mr. Kirk to St. Paul risks confusing the true witness of the Gospel and giving undue sanction to words and actions that hurt the very people Jesus calls us to love."

Dolan, American prelate in the Catholic Church and the nuns' boss, compared Kirk to St. Paul the Apostle, an influential leader of the early Christian church, during a conversation with Fox and Friends earlier this month. "He was a missionary, he's an evangelist, he's a hero. He's one I think that knows what Jesus meant when he said 'the truth will set you free,'" Dolan said.

The nuns urged Dolan and church leadership "to lift up witnesses whose lives truly reflect the Gospel of Jesus Christ – lives of humility, justice, compassion, and peace."

Read more: https://www.rawstory.com/charlie-kirk-2674144832/

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Order of nuns slams boss for comparing Charlie Kirk to saint: 'false prophets' (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Wednesday OP
Thank you, Sisters of Charity . . . Newark65 Wednesday #1
Courageous women speaking truth to power. quaint Wednesday #2
Wasn't Dolan defrocked by Pope Francis? Clouds Passing Wednesday #3
No, that was former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick. quaint Thursday #19
Thank you. Maybe it's time for Leo to do some defrocking. Clouds Passing Thursday #20
Isn't Dolan supposed to have turned in his resignation BlueKota Saturday #25
Yes, Cardinal Dolan submitted his mandatory letter of resignation to Pope Francis in Feb 2025, after turning 75. quaint 16 hrs ago #27
Dolan is a bum tonekat Wednesday #4
As usual, the nuns got it right n/t Michiblue Wednesday #5
When does the MAGA outrage start? tulipsandroses Wednesday #6
and the Church wonders why they are losing members. Dyedinthewoolliberal Wednesday #7
Here's their full statement.. Princess Turandot Wednesday #8
This statement is inspiring to Catholics and non-Catholics alike FakeNoose Friday #22
Word Empathy bmichaelh Wednesday #9
The nuns will be punished RVN VET71 Wednesday #10
Not if they have the Pope's support BumRushDaShow Thursday #11
Thanks for that reminder. RVN VET71 Thursday #17
Dolan was elevated to Cardinal by the RW Nazi loon Pope Benedict XVI BumRushDaShow Thursday #18
Indeed RVN VET71 Friday #21
It's as if MAGA is trying to pull a daughters of the confederacy tactic with regards to cleaning up Charlie KKKirk's... Crowman2009 Thursday #12
Dolan should be defrocked wolfie001 Thursday #13
Well if Dolan backs The Rapist, Pedo, Treasonous Cha 12 hrs ago #30
Dolan is probably getting MoseShrute Thursday #14
Who's Charlie Kirk? Gimpyknee Thursday #15
Sick him sisters. twodogsbarking Thursday #16
Kirk wasn't Catholic. maxsolomon Friday #23
Kirk was being a bad boy & accompanying his wife to the Catholic Church womanofthehills 14 hrs ago #28
Sister's called it BlueKota Saturday #24
The Nuns are more faithful to the teachings of Yeshua than the priests. Bread and Circuses Saturday #26
TY Kick for the Nuns! Because This Is Crazy. Cha 13 hrs ago #29

Newark65

(34 posts)
1. Thank you, Sisters of Charity . . .
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 05:59 PM
Wednesday

Thank you for saying what many Catholic leaders haven't the guts to say. Dolan is a disgrace.

quaint

(4,208 posts)
19. No, that was former Cardinal Theodore McCarrick.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 11:35 AM
Thursday

As of October 2025, Cardinal Timothy Dolan has not been defrocked and remains the Archbishop of New York. He has, however, faced public and persistent criticism, particularly concerning his handling of clergy sexual abuse cases during his tenure as Archbishop of Milwaukee. (google ai)

BlueKota

(4,654 posts)
25. Isn't Dolan supposed to have turned in his resignation
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 04:34 PM
Saturday

to Pope Francis before he died, and Pope Leo is supposed to be naming his successor? I hope Pope Leo moves on that sooner than later. I also think de-frocking with ex-communication thrown in for good measure would really send a message for those catholics supporting christian nationalism.

Note the small c's in christian and catholics are a deliberate choice as the ones like Dolan don't deserve even that much respect in my personal opinion. I may have issues with the institution of the Catholic church, but what these people are prosetlyzing about bears little to no resemblance to what I was raised to believe in. It's an insult to those who actually tried or continue to try to love and serve others like some(not all) I met along the way did.

quaint

(4,208 posts)
27. Yes, Cardinal Dolan submitted his mandatory letter of resignation to Pope Francis in Feb 2025, after turning 75.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 04:13 PM
16 hrs ago

This is a standard requirement for bishops and cardinals in the Catholic Church.

However, the assumption that this happened before Pope Francis died is incorrect for several reasons:

Cardinal Dolan is still alive and active.
Pope Francis died in April 2025, after Dolan's resignation was submitted.
Pope Francis did not accept Dolan's resignation before his own death. This means Dolan's retirement is now in the hands of the new pontiff, Pope Leo XIV, who was elected after Francis's passing.
The fact that Dolan's letter was submitted to Pope Francis, who later died, is a critical piece of the timeline, and it is a common point of confusion.

Title and text from google ai; I'm not as arrogant. Lack of timeliness due to having been retired ten years.

tonekat

(2,378 posts)
4. Dolan is a bum
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 06:04 PM
Wednesday

He gave trump carte blanche to spew disgusting things about Hillary back in the first campaign.

Princess Turandot

(4,887 posts)
8. Here's their full statement..
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 08:52 PM
Wednesday
Sisters of Charity of New York Respond to Cardinal Dolan’s Remarks on Charlie Kirk

Several of us watched Cardinal Dolan’s recent FOX interview, where he referred to Charlie Kirk as “a modern-day St. Paul.” The Cardinal praised Mr. Kirk’s conviction and willingness to speak about the Lord and for being a model for young people looking for meaning in their lives.

We grieve every loss of life and unequivocally condemn the killing of Mr. Kirk.

What Cardinal Dolan may not have known is that many of Mr. Kirk’s words were marked by racist, homophobic, transphobic, and anti-immigrant rhetoric, by violent pro-gun advocacy, and by the promotion of Christian nationalism. These prejudicial words do not reflect the qualities of a saint. To compare Mr. Kirk to St. Paul risks confusing the true witness of the Gospel and giving undue sanction to words and actions that hurt the very people Jesus calls us to love.

Just last week, Cardinal Dolan joined us in celebrating the 50th anniversary of the canonization of our Foundress, St. Elizabeth Ann Seton. Elizabeth’s legacy is not one of exclusion or hatred, but of radical welcome, tireless service, and unwavering love of neighbor. Many of Mr. Kirk’s words stand in stark contrast to the charity and compassion that defined those of Elizabeth Seton.

For generations, the Sisters of Charity of New York have cared for immigrant families arriving with nothing but hope. While our direct service has changed, our commitment to those families endures. They deserve true examples of discipleship, not false prophets.

In this moment, we reaffirm our mission: to walk with all people who are poor and marginalized, to welcome immigrants and refugees, to defend the dignity of LGBTQ+ persons, and to labor for peace in a world saturated with violence. These are the marks of authentic discipleship. These are the qualities of saints.


We urge our Church leadership, including Cardinal Dolan, to lift up witnesses whose lives truly reflect the Gospel of Jesus Christ – lives of humility, justice, compassion, and peace.

We will continue to pray for Mr. Kirk, his family and for all who mourn his loss.

Leadership Team, Sisters of Charity of New York

Sr. Donna Dodge, Sr. Margaret O’Brien, Sr. Mary Mc Cormick,

Sr. Mary Ann Daly, Sr. Sheila Brosnan, Sr. Margaret Egan 9/24/2025

_____________________________________________________

Also, while there are certain matters where the archdiocese has authority by canon law, which would apply to any religious order operating in the diocese, Dolan is not their boss, in any usual sense of the word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisters_of_Charity_of_New_York#Mission

Today, the Sisters of Charity of New York is a constituent community of the Federation of Sisters of Charity in the Vincentian-Setonian Tradition, an umbrella group that brings together the various congregations that trace their roots back to Saint Elizabeth Seton, and ultimately to Saint Vincent de Paul.

In April 2023, the congregation announced that they would cease accepting new members and acknowledge a "path to completion", with the current sisters eventually dying until the order is "completed".

FakeNoose

(38,861 posts)
22. This statement is inspiring to Catholics and non-Catholics alike
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:09 AM
Friday

Thank you Sisters of Charity! Please continue to speak up with faith and courage.

bmichaelh

(973 posts)
9. Word Empathy
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 09:59 PM
Wednesday

Charlie Kirk is on record that he hated the word empathy.

Something Apostle Paul never said.

So how they are similar strains credulity.

RVN VET71

(3,052 posts)
10. The nuns will be punished
Wed Oct 1, 2025, 11:42 PM
Wednesday

I've no doubt that this Dolan character will not take criticism -- from women, for God's sake! -- lying down. The nuns may end up facing a choice to leave the order or spend the rest of their lives in a monastery, silenced by an irate fool wearing the cloth of a Cardinal.

I pray they leave the Order en-masse and continue their good work speaking truth and Jesus to this narrow-minded fool.

BumRushDaShow

(161,181 posts)
11. Not if they have the Pope's support
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 05:15 AM
Thursday

which they most likely would. I doubt that Dolan has any control over nun Orders anyway, which is normally controlled by The Vatican.

Pope Leo XIV seems to be even more "radical" than Pope Francis.

RVN VET71

(3,052 posts)
17. Thanks for that reminder.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 11:20 AM
Thursday

I guess Dolan is like a Brigadier General who was never promoted further because he's an asshole. A one star who should never have made the Generals' list in the first place.

Crowman2009

(3,276 posts)
12. It's as if MAGA is trying to pull a daughters of the confederacy tactic with regards to cleaning up Charlie KKKirk's...
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 05:57 AM
Thursday

...reputation. Don't be surprised if somebody tries to put up statues of this bigoted POS.

wolfie001

(6,249 posts)
13. Dolan should be defrocked
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 07:23 AM
Thursday

He's defending a committed racist and a misogynist. Dolan's a backer of tRUMP too. What a repulsive a-hole.

Cha

(314,787 posts)
30. Well if Dolan backs The Rapist, Pedo, Treasonous
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 08:07 PM
12 hrs ago

Traitor to the USA... of course, he'd be Falsely praising the Spreader of Hate and Gun Violence CK.

I would think the Catholic Hierarchy Would Do Something about that Anti Christ "cardinal".

MoseShrute

(87 posts)
14. Dolan is probably getting
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 07:39 AM
Thursday

A nice “contribution “ from rw hacks. Hmm…I wonder if he’s named in the Epstein files? Seems to fit the bill.

womanofthehills

(10,422 posts)
28. Kirk was being a bad boy & accompanying his wife to the Catholic Church
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 06:39 PM
14 hrs ago

They went to Saint Bernadette in Scottsdale where he was a friend of Father Kline.

BlueKota

(4,654 posts)
24. Sister's called it
Sat Oct 4, 2025, 07:59 AM
Saturday

Every single christian nationalist is a false prophet. Matthew 7-15 and Romans 16-19 both warn against them. It's said they will be abundant in the end of days.

Cha

(314,787 posts)
29. TY Kick for the Nuns! Because This Is Crazy.
Sun Oct 5, 2025, 07:59 PM
13 hrs ago

Cardinal Dolan is making himself sound Stupid.

CK lived by the code of Gun Violence and Died by the same.

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