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BumRushDaShow

(161,135 posts)
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 12:43 PM Thursday

Trump 'Determined' the U.S. Is Now in a War With Drug Cartels, Congress Is Told

Source: New York Times

Oct. 2, 2025, 12:26 p.m. ET


President Trump has decided that the United States is engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with drug cartels his team has labeled terrorist organizations and that suspected smugglers for such groups are “unlawful combatants,” the administration said in a confidential notice to Congress this week. The notice was sent to several congressional committees and obtained by The New York Times.

It adds new detail to the administration’s thinly articulated legal rationale for why three U.S. military strikes the president ordered on boats in the Caribbean Sea last month, killing all 17 people aboard them, should be seen as lawful rather than murder. Mr. Trump’s move to formally deem his campaign against drug cartels as an active armed conflict means he is cementing his claim to extraordinary wartime powers, legal specialists said.

In an armed conflict, as defined by international law, a country can lawfully kill enemy fighters even when they pose no threat, detain them indefinitely without trials and prosecute them in military courts. Geoffrey S. Corn, a retired judge advocate general lawyer who was formerly the Army’s senior adviser for law-of-war issues, said drug cartels were not engaged in “hostilities” — the standard for when there is an armed conflict for legal purposes — against the United States because selling a dangerous product is different than an armed attack.

Noting that it is illegal for the military to deliberately target civilians who are not directly participating in hostilities — even suspected criminals — Mr. Corn called the president’s move an “abuse” that crossed a major legal line. “This is not stretching the envelope,” he said. “This is shredding it. This is tearing it apart.” The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/02/us/politics/trump-drug-cartels-war.html



No paywall (gift)

He is spiraling the nation into an abyss.
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Trump 'Determined' the U.S. Is Now in a War With Drug Cartels, Congress Is Told (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Thursday OP
Jr.'s and Eloons, too? /nt bucolic_frolic Thursday #1
The Anti-Christ is blood thirsty, GreenWave Thursday #2
Trump doesn't care about the drug trade. What is his real motive? Irish_Dem Thursday #3
He wants the oil. mwmisses4289 Thursday #7
Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world. Irish_Dem Thursday #8
I don't think he is like Poppy or Shrub and cares about oil BumRushDaShow Thursday #12
You haven't been paying attention. Blackjackdavey Thursday #16
Sure. Irish_Dem Thursday #17
Joke Blackjackdavey Friday #18
And how about those Epstein files?? N/T tonekat Thursday #4
So, I guess the War Powers Act is now null and void. MLWR Thursday #5
Mexico is concerned about the number of guns coming into their country from the US. twodogsbarking Thursday #6
Drug cartels only exist in blue states or any state where the governor hasn't kissed the golden ring or if twodogsbarking Thursday #9
Can he legally declare war on the Sacklers and Purdue Pharmaceuticals? LiberalArkie Thursday #10
Congress has the power to declare war Qutzupalotl Thursday #11
Now will they finally give him the Nobel Peace Prize he so richly deserves???? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Thursday #13
He does not understand whatctgg he at means. James48 Thursday #14
Does this include the cartel family members Trump brought into our country in the travelingthrulife Thursday #15
I think his new hobby is murdering people. Emile Friday #19
He makes up these "wars" that have no real meaning.. ananda Friday #20

Irish_Dem

(75,724 posts)
3. Trump doesn't care about the drug trade. What is his real motive?
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 12:47 PM
Thursday

He along with his friends, family, and employees have been doing hard drug for decades.

If anything, he wants a cut of the drug cartel profits, like Putin gets.
And to justify the random killing of people.

BumRushDaShow

(161,135 posts)
12. I don't think he is like Poppy or Shrub and cares about oil
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 03:23 PM
Thursday

He would want some gold mines in "shithole countries".

I think this is a pretext to declaring the U.S. "at war" in order to invoke some nonsensical "emergency powers".

Thing is - only Congress can "declare war".

Blackjackdavey

(242 posts)
16. You haven't been paying attention.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 06:25 PM
Thursday

He has been clear. He wants to bring manufacturing back to America.

twodogsbarking

(16,063 posts)
6. Mexico is concerned about the number of guns coming into their country from the US.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:20 PM
Thursday

They haven't resorted to the barbaric tactics used in the US.

twodogsbarking

(16,063 posts)
9. Drug cartels only exist in blue states or any state where the governor hasn't kissed the golden ring or if
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 01:53 PM
Thursday

Trump decides he doesn't like you. He hates everybody, 'cept for the cross lady. Oh, those lips.

Qutzupalotl

(15,523 posts)
11. Congress has the power to declare war
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 03:05 PM
Thursday

per the Constitution, not the president.

We should have pushed back harder against W when he arrogated that power for himself. But Congress was cowed.

James48

(4,969 posts)
14. He does not understand whatctgg he at means.
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 04:08 PM
Thursday

If he is declaring war, and calling them unlawful combatants- then it is now totally legal to shot and kill any American in uniform. It’s not murder when it’s done in a declared war.

That is not good.

travelingthrulife

(3,400 posts)
15. Does this include the cartel family members Trump brought into our country in the
Thu Oct 2, 2025, 05:38 PM
Thursday

dead of night after they produced the payola.

ananda

(33,469 posts)
20. He makes up these "wars" that have no real meaning..
Fri Oct 3, 2025, 09:35 AM
Friday

just to play CIC and blow things up and hope
to gain natural resources.

We are really living in an insane world now
with the inmates running the asylum.

I keep thinking of that Glenda Jackson movie,
Marat/Sade.

Quote: "In an insane asylum, Marquis de Sade directs
Jean Paul Marat's last days through a theater play.
The actors are the patients."
"

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