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groundloop

(13,505 posts)
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:43 AM 17 hrs ago

Hegseth responds to report that boat survivors were killed as a result of his orders to military

Source: ABC News

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth responded to a report that he ordered the military to kill all passengers aboard a boat suspected of ferrying drugs in the Caribbean Sea in September.

According to The Washington Post, the Sept. 2 boat strike initially left two survivors clinging to the boat. The Post alleges Adm. Mitch Bradley, head of Special Operations Command, then ordered a second strike in order to comply with Hegseth's orders and to ensure the survivors couldn't call on other traffickers to retrieve them and their cargo.

In a post on X on Friday, Hegseth said the strikes were intended to be "lethal, kinetic strikes."

"Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all actions in compliance with the law of armed conflict—and approved by the best military and civilian lawyers, up and down the chain of command," Hegseth said.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hegseth-declines-comment-report-boat-survivors-killed-result/story?id=127951385

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Hegseth responds to report that boat survivors were killed as a result of his orders to military (Original Post) groundloop 17 hrs ago OP
When the trials start.... DemMedic 17 hrs ago #1
But there is so much competition.... RockCreek 15 hrs ago #28
Nice Empty Words Roy Rolling 14 hrs ago #31
South Park "Pete Hegseth is a ****ing douche" to the tune of "Danger Zone" underpants 17 hrs ago #2
WTF is a "lethal, kinetic strike"? sop 17 hrs ago #3
He means "fuck yeah, I gave orders to blow some guys to pieces" muriel_volestrangler 16 hrs ago #5
Murder can easily be a "lethal kinetic strike," but the the latter sounds better and has more words. n/t Uncle Joe 15 hrs ago #21
More manly not fooled 14 hrs ago #36
"lethal, kinetic" equals "lively killing" Wednesdays 13 hrs ago #41
He can't spell kinetic JustAnotherGen 17 hrs ago #4
Agreed Chi67 15 hrs ago #24
That is such a obvious lie... these boys will soon be out of office and we're going to have a lot of trials ashredux 16 hrs ago #6
Approved by the best lawyers... hay rick 16 hrs ago #7
"but but but the lawyers said I could" C_U_L8R 16 hrs ago #8
Nope. You're going to jail. travelingthrulife 16 hrs ago #9
Murder fisherman and pardon actual drug traffickers Ponietz 16 hrs ago #10
Making sure there are no witnesses to dispute the rhetoric Deuxcents 15 hrs ago #11
This orangecrush 15 hrs ago #15
He must have got John Yoo to sign off on it with a memo. Midnight Writer 15 hrs ago #12
lol!😂🤣 Hope22 15 hrs ago #23
"Torture lawyer" will follow him to the end of his days not fooled 14 hrs ago #37
That rancid mofo said the Geneva Conventions were "quaint." OMGWTF 14 hrs ago #40
That's what Cheney and his ilk said about torturing kidnapped 'prisoners' Alpeduez21 15 hrs ago #13
And we let them get away with it then as well. travelingthrulife 15 hrs ago #18
It's really dangerous to give power to a guy who is a drunk and has a small dick ashredux 15 hrs ago #14
It's why Putin and Trump chose him. travelingthrulife 15 hrs ago #19
He's full of shit. Gimpyknee 15 hrs ago #16
...and gin. LudwigPastorius 12 hrs ago #45
Yes. He stated years ago his penchant for downing serial drinks containing gin. John1956PA 12 hrs ago #46
I enjoyed a wee dram of Glenlivet neat back in the day. LudwigPastorius 12 hrs ago #47
NO ONE has laid out any proof of what Trump + Co have claimed. NCDem47 15 hrs ago #17
Hegseth is a LIAR Martin Eden 15 hrs ago #20
Spinocchio administration. BattleRow 14 hrs ago #34
Push-up Pete lies AverageOldGuy 15 hrs ago #22
I don't think Hegseth knows anything about international law; about the same as his knowledge of the UCMJ. patphil 15 hrs ago #25
He doesn't even know what the word "kinetic" means. Irish_Dem 15 hrs ago #26
Shut up, Whisky. Go have another drink ya sot. paleotn 15 hrs ago #27
Complete BS Pete boy Picaro 14 hrs ago #29
Kinetic was adopted by the services Aviation Pro 14 hrs ago #30
I'm just waiting TheFarseer 14 hrs ago #32
They fired all the top JAG lawyers NickB79 14 hrs ago #33
So does this mean other countries can blow us out of the water,too? BattleRow 14 hrs ago #35
Hegseth needs to be prosecuted LetMyPeopleVote 14 hrs ago #38
We need names, Hogsbreath. tavernier 14 hrs ago #39
Whiskey Pete will be pardoned duckworth969 13 hrs ago #42
No evidence they were drug runners, and a full-kill admission by Hegseth. Paladin 12 hrs ago #43
Armed conflict? Cirsium 12 hrs ago #44
"approved by the best military and civilian lawyers..." Mmmmhmmm .. KPN 11 hrs ago #48
Hegseth lies: ""Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all Martin68 9 hrs ago #49

underpants

(194,132 posts)
2. South Park "Pete Hegseth is a ****ing douche" to the tune of "Danger Zone"
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:48 AM
17 hrs ago

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sop

(17,040 posts)
3. WTF is a "lethal, kinetic strike"?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:56 AM
17 hrs ago

Sounds like a Hegsethian euphemism for extrajudicial killing.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,298 posts)
5. He means "fuck yeah, I gave orders to blow some guys to pieces"
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:14 AM
16 hrs ago

His claim that the best lawyers told him it was legal looks unlikely. Most lawyers commentating have say "way illegal", which is why many countries have stopped giving the US intelligence in the Caribbean, so that they're not accessories to crimes. I expect they eventually found a gung-ho lawyer idiot or two to give them carte blanche to kill, and will have to use that in their defense when they're eventually brought to justice.

Uncle Joe

(63,821 posts)
21. Murder can easily be a "lethal kinetic strike," but the the latter sounds better and has more words. n/t
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:29 AM
15 hrs ago

not fooled

(6,553 posts)
36. More manly
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:37 AM
14 hrs ago

that's what this douche cares about--doing what Krasnov wants and propping up his manhood.

Wednesdays

(21,465 posts)
41. "lethal, kinetic" equals "lively killing"
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 12:12 PM
13 hrs ago

That hardly tells us why it isn't murder.

JustAnotherGen

(37,423 posts)
4. He can't spell kinetic
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 08:59 AM
17 hrs ago

He murdered those people. It's a human rights violation and an act of war.

I'm not coming together with the family members of Liberals who voted for this when the regime falls.

We aren't coming together and moving forward. We did that in 1877 and the sick little fuckers "rose again".

To be clear: I hate magapubs.

Chi67

(1,267 posts)
24. Agreed
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:43 AM
15 hrs ago

This time, we take out the trash. There is no reasoning with MAGAs. And fascist organizations etc need to be made illegal. There need to be exceptions to the first amendment.

ashredux

(2,823 posts)
6. That is such a obvious lie... these boys will soon be out of office and we're going to have a lot of trials
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:31 AM
16 hrs ago

hay rick

(9,239 posts)
7. Approved by the best lawyers...
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 09:48 AM
16 hrs ago

Good lawyers would have said "Hell, no!" Better lawyers would have said "No fucking way." Turns out the "best" lawyers thought "lethal, kinetic strikes" were some kind of harmless entertainment made for Fox News.

Midnight Writer

(25,035 posts)
12. He must have got John Yoo to sign off on it with a memo.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:12 AM
15 hrs ago

I couldn't remember Yoo's first name, so I googled "torture lawyer" and his name was the first thing that came up.

not fooled

(6,553 posts)
37. "Torture lawyer" will follow him to the end of his days
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:39 AM
14 hrs ago

Be a douche, expect to be called one.

OMGWTF

(4,972 posts)
40. That rancid mofo said the Geneva Conventions were "quaint."
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:45 AM
14 hrs ago

How many times do we have to endure the same sh!t from these lawless people? Bush and Cheney should have been in The Hague on trial for crimes against humanity. The Rethuglican party must be eliminated.

John1956PA

(4,642 posts)
46. Yes. He stated years ago his penchant for downing serial drinks containing gin.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:59 PM
12 hrs ago

Occasionally, I prefer sipping a Canadian whisky on the rocks. I think that gulping down alcohol is a waste of it.

LudwigPastorius

(13,887 posts)
47. I enjoyed a wee dram of Glenlivet neat back in the day.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 02:04 PM
12 hrs ago

But yeah, if you have to drown your booze in a mixer just so you can drink more of it, you likely have a problem.

Martin Eden

(15,222 posts)
20. Hegseth is a LIAR
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:27 AM
15 hrs ago

Which is understandable, since lying is a requirement for a speaking position in the Trump administration. Not just spin; bold faced lies.

Hegseth honed those skills as a weekend host on Fox News.

patphil

(8,548 posts)
25. I don't think Hegseth knows anything about international law; about the same as his knowledge of the UCMJ.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 10:55 AM
15 hrs ago

Hegseth's lawyers will tell him exactly what he wants to hear. That's why they're there.
Or, perhaps they advised him of the law, but his brain translated it into a legal confirmation of his beliefs.

Picaro

(2,310 posts)
29. Complete BS Pete boy
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:06 AM
14 hrs ago

Your lawyers (the ones you failed to consult) should have told you that centuries of maritime law require that you save survivors even in war once the threat is eliminated. Since there was never a threat you’d have a hell of a time proving that your orders were anything but illegal.

Aviation Pro

(15,125 posts)
30. Kinetic was adopted by the services
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:16 AM
14 hrs ago

During our 20-year war period. It’s a sanitized version for killing or blowing them up.

TheFarseer

(9,741 posts)
32. I'm just waiting
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:24 AM
14 hrs ago

For other countries like the UK, Germany, France etc to demand to know WTF we are doing?! None of this is legal. Or are they speaking up and we are not hearing about it?

NickB79

(20,191 posts)
33. They fired all the top JAG lawyers
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:26 AM
14 hrs ago

And then claim their hand-picked replacement lawyers told them it's all perfectly legal.

Imagine that.

BattleRow

(2,062 posts)
35. So does this mean other countries can blow us out of the water,too?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:36 AM
14 hrs ago

With no consequences?

tavernier

(14,133 posts)
39. We need names, Hogsbreath.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 11:43 AM
14 hrs ago

Name the Lawyers. I’m sure they will want to corroborate your orders.

Paladin

(32,109 posts)
43. No evidence they were drug runners, and a full-kill admission by Hegseth.
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:07 PM
12 hrs ago

In a nation with a shred of remaining decency in its leadership, we'd have a new Secretary of Defense. Beyond shameful.

Cirsium

(3,221 posts)
44. Armed conflict?
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 01:12 PM
12 hrs ago

That guy: "Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all actions in compliance with the law of armed conflict..."

What "armed conflict?" With whom is the US at war?

ABC: "Critics of the Trump administration and some legal experts have questioned the legality of the strikes." Both-siderism at its very worst.

Some call intentionally killing innocent unarmed people murder, others call it "lethal, kinetic strikes." ABC is giving us "both sides" of the issue.

KPN

(17,059 posts)
48. "approved by the best military and civilian lawyers..." Mmmmhmmm ..
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 02:09 PM
11 hrs ago

Yeah, just like he's "the best" Secretary of Defense as well.

Martin68

(26,739 posts)
49. Hegseth lies: ""Our current operations in the Caribbean are lawful under both U.S. and international law, with all
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 04:12 PM
9 hrs ago

actions in compliance with the law of armed conflict—and approved by the best military and civilian lawyers, up and down the chain of command," Hegseth said.

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