Breaking: Judge Reduces Possible Sentence for Manning (Unlawful Pretrial Punishment)
Source: Associated Press
@BreakingNews: Judge reduces possible sentence for Bradley Manning, Army private accused of sending secret information to WikiLeaks - @AP
@kgosztola: Military court grants Bradley Manning 112 days sentencing credit for unlawful pretrial punishment
JUDGE REDUCES POSSIBLE SENTENCE IN WIKILEAKS CASE
By DAVID DISHNEAU
Jan. 8 4:14 PM EST
FORT MEADE, Md. (AP) A military judge has reduced the potential sentence for an Army private accused of sending reams of classified documents to the WikiLeaks website.
Col. Denise Lind ruled Tuesday during a pretrial hearing at Fort Meade for Pfc. Bradley Manning.
Lind found that Manning suffered illegal pretrial punishment during nine months in a Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va. She awarded a total of 112 days off any prison sentence Manning gets if he is convicted. Defense attorneys had sought to have the charges against him dismissed.
Manning was confined to a windowless cell 23 hours a day, sometimes with no clothing. Brig officials say it was to keep him from hurting himself or others.
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/gis-hearing-wikileaks-case-focuses-motive
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Really?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)standard is a bad outcome for the defense. Really bad.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Of course, whether, or HOW MUCH she made this jocular gesture - was most certainly NOT her decision to make. She's just following orders - orders from the highest echelon.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)Corps officials at Quantico or the Pentagon ...
http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Judge-to-rule-on-defense-motion-in-WikiLeaks-case-4173762.php
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)place many years ago called The Puzzle Palace. It was interesting. I remember when I was young going there to take a test to get a job there. What an experience. That place was hugh. They ask you alot of questions and even alot of personal questions. They even asked us to draw a picture of a person. It was funny because my picture was small and my friend's picture was large. I am heavy and she was thin. We got a charge out of that. Plus when they gave us a break we had to be taken by a guard to go to the ladies room. The test was an all day affair. Hell I was only looking for a typing job. I told my friend if I passed I would turn the job down. I just was so uncomfortable. Neither one of us passed and we didn't care. I couldn't work in a place like that, really creepy.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)picture of a person he scribbled.
INC.
After being told later that he did not pass that portion he was overheard saying,"I should have known, the conservatives told me to draw a zygote."
Sarcasm thingy!
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)How funny. You know there must be weird people working there. I remember them asking questions about going to the bathroom. Crazy really crazy.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)"My bowel movements are black and tarry T-F" ?
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)too was they ask the question again wording it different to see what your answer was. Did you take the test? I'm not joking really. They even asked how often you went. I mean I was 19 yrs old. I wish I could remember some of the other questions but I remember it was about bowel movements.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)That particular item was intended to pick up general health issues (bloody stool). Many of those items were eliminated on MMPI-2. I've interpreted 2 or 3 thousand of those tests over the years. They are computer scored and, for the most part, nobody looks at individual item responses, but at overall patterns or responses. The test is widely used in all sorts of screenings, for jobs, for clergy, etc. as well as in mental health settings. It provides all sorts of information about psychiatric conditions, things like anxiety and depression levels, antisociality, paranoia, etc., and can be quite accurate when interpreted by a skilled & experienced psychologist.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)Did you get to read the book The Puzzle Palace? It was very interesting. It was about NSA. I use to live down the road on Ft Meade when my husband was stationed there. But I met my husband while working at Ft Meade at First Army Hqs. I worked in the OER section and he worked for the Chaplains office.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)when I started school there.
No, I didn't read the book. I may not get to it in this lifetime either, since my reading list now extends far beyond my projected lifespan.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)an interesting read for sure.
lovuian
(19,362 posts)"unlawful Pretrial punishment".... =TORTURED
before his trial
in which the case needs to be thrown out ...the case is tainted .....how can one get a fair
trial when one has gone through "unlawful pretrial punishment"
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)than necessary" but not "outrageous"
The phrase "unlawful pretrial punishment" appears to be the OP's misleading modification of the AP headline: the judge specifically found that the purpose of Manning's treatment was not punitive but was rather intended to keep Manning safe
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I don't suppose anyone is going to be charged for those illegal activities.
Solly Mack
(90,778 posts)by claiming it was a just a "few bad apples" and sending those "few bad apples" to prison while turning a blind eye to those who gave the order.
Oh, damn. I said I was going to refrain from snark.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Brennan one of the poster boys for "torture is good" will be heading the CIA soon.
He likes euphemisms almost as much as the torture program they rode in on, he may even bring back the program he liked so much.
Oh and I learned from him that no civilians are killed in modern drone strikes because it is like as precise as surgery man!
Good times ahead no doubt.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)did not hurt himself and was available for the trial she said ...
Military judge shaves days from potential prison term for Army GI who leaked documents to WikiLeaks
Pfc. Bradley Mannings suicide watch treatment, confined 23 hours a day in a windowless cell and sometimes kept naked, was more rigorous than necessary in the nine months he was confined in Quantico, Virginia, according to a ruling by Army Col. Denise Lind.
By Victoria Cavaliere / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 12:26 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/wikileaks-gi-manning-confinement-tough-judge-article-1.1236370
bemildred
(90,061 posts)struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)I've read it several times now. As I said, I think she is being a bit euphemistic.
Response to Hissyspit (Original post)
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)knows it.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)railsback
(1,881 posts)What an outrage.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)railsback
(1,881 posts)Needles under the toenails, force-fed feces and submerged in piss water.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)railsback
(1,881 posts)112 days off seems to be terribly overgenerous.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)in Kansas a few months before he was, so I think some time off for that is a good thing.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)What price torture? If he did a bad bad thing and they did a bad bad thing, then I say they're even and he should be set free. Let Bradley Manning go! Salute for BM:
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)than necessary" but not "outrageous"
Solly Mack
(90,778 posts)"Lind found that Manning suffered illegal pretrial punishment during nine months in a Marine Corps brig in Quantico, Va"
K&R
24601
(3,962 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)Manning must be pumped.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)became excessive in relation to legitimate government interests ...
WikiLeaks case: Judge cuts possible sentence for Bradley Manning
By Andrew Khouri
January 8, 2013, 4:17 p.m.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-bradley-manning-wikileaks-20130108,0,897909.story
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)in the case of outrageous conduct ...
Judge refuses to dismiss charges against WikiLeaks suspect Bradley Manning
By Julie Tate and Ellen Nakashima
Published: January 8
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/judge-refuses-to-dismiss-charges-against-wikileaks-suspect-bradley-manning/2013/01/08/2eab1f62-59cb-11e2-beee-6e38f5215402_story.html
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: January 8, 2013
FORT MEADE, Md. A military judge on Tuesday declined to dismiss charges against Pfc. Bradley E. Manning, a former Army intelligence analyst accused of providing archives of military and diplomatic documents to the antisecrecy group WikiLeaks, despite complaints by his defense team that he had been mistreated while being held at the Marines brig at Quantico, Va.
But the judge, Col. Denise Lind, ruled that brig officials had improperly kept Private Manning on stricter conditions, including procedures designed to prevent potentially suicidal detainees from injuring themselves, for excessive periods. As a remedy, she granted Private Manning 112 days of credit against any eventual prison sentence.
That amounted to little more than a symbolic victory for Private Manning, whose supporters had rallied around claims that he had been tortured at Quantico. Prosecutors are pursuing charges, including aiding the enemy and violating the Espionage Act, that could result in a life sentence if he is convicted. His court-martial is scheduled to begin on March 6 ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/09/us/private-manning-of-wikileaks-case-must-face-charges.html?_r=0
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)works.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)Associated Press
Posted on January 9, 2013 at 11:04 AM
Updated today at 11:34 AM
FORT MEADE, Md. (AP) ... Army Col. Denise Lind set the new trial date during a pretrial hearing at Fort Meade on Wednesday for Pfc. Bradley Manning. The trial had been set to begin March 6.
Lind said extra time was needed to deal with classified information.
Also, Manning has offered guilty pleas to reduced charges for two of 22 counts he faces.
Proffers may be considered along with eight others he has offered at a hearing starting Feb. 26 ...
http://www.kvue.com/news/national/186121231.html
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)at all.....
I have a feeling that the once the judge handed down her decision on the standard of intent required for conviction on the most serious charge--aiding of the enemy, serious talks began.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)private would plead guilty to 10 charges that would lead to a total of 20 years in prison ...
WikiLeaks suspect Bradley Manning's trial could wait until June
AFP | Jan 10, 2013, 01.27 AM IST
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/WikiLeaks-suspect-Bradley-Mannings-trial-could-wait-until-June/articleshow/17960642.cms
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)safe for publication, Coombs said. To succeed, the defense will have to argue that the hundreds of thousands of documents Manning is accused of exposing were improperly marked as sensitive. That task will be even more difficult if prosecutors prevail in another motion to preclude evidence, dealing with the general over-classification of government data ...
Wednesday, January 09, 2013Last Update: 8:38 AM PT
Manning's Key Defense Arguments Placed in Limbo
By ADAM KLASFELD
http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/01/09/53739.htm
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)Judge rules that Manning had suffered excessively harsh treatment but reduction falls far short of defence team's hopes
Ed Pilkington at Fort Meade, Maryland
Tuesday 8 January 2013 17.23 EST
... "The charges are serious in this case and there was no intent to punish. There is no argument to dismiss the charges," the judge said.
Beyond dismissal, the defence had called for a diminution of Manning's sentence according to a ratio of 10 days reduction for every day of excessive treatment, to run for the entire duration of the nine months of the soldier's confinement at Quantico. That would have resulted in more than seven years being taken off his sentence.
But in the end, the judge agreed only to a straight day-for-day ratio, and further limited the duration of the reduction to narrowly defined periods where she found excessive treatment had taken place.
Specifically, she granted Manning seven days off any sentence for the seven days when he was kept on the most restrictive regime, known as Suicide Risk, against the advice of psychiatrists the only Article 13 violation accepted by the prosecution; 75 days off sentence for when he was kept on the only slightly less onerous status of "prevention of injury", also against professional opinion; 20 days for having his underwear removed unduly after he made a joke that he could use that to harm himself; and 10 days for being granted just 20 minutes of recreation outside his cell every day when he should have been given a full hour ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/08/bradley-manning-112-day-reduction-possible-sentence
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)"unlawful pretrial punishment" and specifically found that the intent of the handling was not punishment but to keep Manning safe; nevertheless, she found that the treatment was unnecessarily rigorous; she also concluded it was not at all outrageous
Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)he can do is say, so because of such, he'll get 100+ days off his massive sentence we'll end up giving him? this is preposterous and shameful. (#%uw(jwjt#(jt