KC-135 tanker involved in Epic Fury goes down in Iraq: CENTCOM
Source: Breaking Defense
WASHINGTON A US Air Force KC-135 Stratotanker air refueler crashed in Iraq due to an incident that occurred in friendly airspace, US Central Command (CENTCOM) said in a statement late Thursday.
Casualties and circumstances surrounding the crash are not immediately clear. According to CENTCOM, the incident was not due to hostile or friendly fire and occurred during Operation Epic Fury, the US militarys name for the war against Iran.
Three US F-15s were recently shot down over Kuwait in a friendly fire incident, but all pilots involved ejected safely. The Stratotanker, however, does not have ejection seats. CENTCOM said rescue efforts are ongoing.
Two aircraft were apparently involved in events that precipitated the tankers crash, though its not clear if it occurred amid a refueling mission. The other aircraft landed safely according to CENTCOM, which did not describe the aircraft in question.
Read more: https://breakingdefense.com/2026/03/kc-135-tanker-involved-in-epic-fury-goes-down-in-iraq-centcom/
msongs
(73,597 posts)Irish_Dem
(80,940 posts)Many decades ago.
I am surprised they still fly them.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,767 posts)And are all retro fitted with modern equipment. I believe they are built on a 737 frame but I could be remembering incorrectly.
Irish_Dem
(80,940 posts)Im not sure.
During the Vietnam war they were stationed in a number of locations in the far east.
Puppyjive
(979 posts)They have retired the jets. There are a handful still in operation. I feel sick to my stomach over this.
Angleae
(4,801 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)RoseTrellis
(160 posts)No tankers or cargo planes have ever had ejection seats.
KT2000
(22,111 posts)That was my Dad's plane (Boeing engineer) from its beginning until 1973 and everyone gets it wrong. People think the KC-135 was adapted from the 707. I love watching the takeoff videos of that plane - the loud ones!
Irish_Dem
(80,940 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 12, 2026, 07:58 PM - Edit history (1)
My USAF Dad flew these in Viet Nam.
KC 135.
Best squadron in the USAF.
The crew got out here but where are they?
vanessa_ca
(876 posts)CENTCOM assured that the incident occured in friendly airspace, and was not due to hostile or friendly fire.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-889839
It was reported a bit differently at first
Link to tweet
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Irish_Dem
(80,940 posts)Pilot, co-pilot, maybe navigator, boom operator, maybe some medical staff.
RN's or med techs?
IDK.
The plane is lost?
Air Force families know this is a not a good statement from the brass.
It is not good when the USAF loses track of an airplane.
Captain Zero
(8,868 posts)"Friendly Airspace".
They just don't want to admit they are losing aircraft.
vanessa_ca
(876 posts)than to just admit they've suffered combat losses? Accidents imply our military is poorly trained and poorly commanded.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)Aviation fuel is hi-octane fluid...Maybe some sparking during the process during the refuel process.
Prairie Gates
(7,964 posts)When I first heard the story I assumed that there has been some kind of problem with the refueling itself, but if they are both KC-135s, I don't get it. Surely they weren't refueling each other.
2naSalit
(102,165 posts)But I will say that I have witnessed training events where refueling tankers were working in tandem such that they were not all that far apart as they acted as a two pump fuel station. I don;t know what their actual practices are but I can imagine that safety measures are being slimmed down for everything related to operations ordered by the clowns in DC.
tonekat
(2,515 posts)It was in 2024, I saw them coming when I was looking at my flight software. They weren't even following a refueling route, and the software said they were 25 feet apart vertically. They looked like one plane with two sets of wings from my backyard.
2naSalit
(102,165 posts)At one point. For some reason, I assume a training session, but they weren't extremely far up, I heard them coming long before they crossed the valley. I watched them go over once and then again about two hours later, I was out working a field on a farm so that was in 2019.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)a 10 mile separation radius around their refuel sector flightpath.
Prairie Gates
(7,964 posts)Some sources I saw said the plane that landed safely was also a KC 135 but I'm not sure that's accurate and I agree that it would be very weird if so.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)Prairie Gates
(7,964 posts)were both KC-135s.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)It's not pilot error, IMHO. Whatever audiotapes are available, probably won't get released. So we will never know what transpired. Have our comms been compromised?
All I can say is....Trump/Putin/Xi are all in on world domination, Where the fuck is 007?
2naSalit
(102,165 posts)All metal parts involved in fuel handling is either brass or aluminum because of the issue of sparks, this is true of ground transport as well as aircraft. Probably stricter requirements for aircraft since AVgas is so volatile.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)Pre-factual speculation on my part.
2naSalit
(102,165 posts)Having been in the petroleum transport business for a short spell, I can attest that it is fact. Aluminum dust is nasty stuff but you can't get it to spark if all it touches it aluminum or brass. Same with brass.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)I was a sales prospect that didn't pan out. Mutual agreement, actually.
RoseTrellis
(160 posts)Tankers dont carry avgas.
Also, sometime in the 90s, the airforce transitioned from JP-4 to JP-8, which is even less flammable and volatile.
2naSalit
(102,165 posts)So thanks for the correction. AVgas was some nasty shit, I hated dealing with it.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,451 posts)Our neighbors kid was in the refueling unit but not on the plane.
BumRushDaShow
(168,812 posts)Prairie Gates
(7,964 posts)On edit: there's a three-person crew for this aircraft, not six.
vanessa_ca
(876 posts)CentralMass
(16,962 posts)mn9driver
(4,847 posts)If this was a crash, the crew almost certainly perished.
It sounds like two KC135s and two fighter aircraft were performing aerial refueling when some sort of collision occurred resulting in damage, with the loss of one of the 135s. It doesnt seem like this was due to hostile action, but we shall see
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 12, 2026, 09:11 PM - Edit history (1)
refueler specialist is a no-brainer.
2naSalit
(102,165 posts)They might have used, like you see jumpers exit on teevee.
Or not.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)in a catastrophic event hence......ejection seat systems. Logically, that should have been part of the redesign mods to make the frame into a tanker.
2naSalit
(102,165 posts)I've never been on one of these so I couldn't say, they're pretty big so I can't really think of a quick exit location. But you're right, there should have been some way for them to exit.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)You aren't exiting your seat., normally.
vanessa_ca
(876 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)Thinking about this....for the 1st time. really....KC-135 crews are kinda fucked. Pilots got to fly and navigate, refueler refuels. Not a whole lot of EW awareness, And no chance if you get a hypersonic missile locked on.
vanessa_ca
(876 posts)because I know little about military stuff.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)With 17whole hours in the left seat on a Cessna 172, I am clueless as well.
vanessa_ca
(876 posts)RoseTrellis
(160 posts)Only fighters and fighter trainers and bombers have ejection seats.
Transport planes and tankers have never been designed to have ejection seats.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,497 posts)Fighters and bombers are expected to have to spend a lot of time in contested airspace and operate under conditions where any emergency turns catastrophic basically instantly. Cargo planes and tankers rarely fly in contested airspace and if they do, they usually are under escort. For their normal missions, emergencies aren't usually catastrophic immediately, they are usually emergencies that happen over minutes and allow them to try to handle it while still in the air. The actual plane designs themselves is the other issue.Cargo planes can have multiple decks with personnel on each. Some have crew moving around a lot. They would need a different escape method. Having a single one, like simply bailing out, simplifies things. Ejection seats means the entire structure needs to be designed around it, its not something that can easily be retrofitted into existing designs. And the weight of the systems is the other issue, which is kind of important for cargo and tankers. Every pound of weight tied to ejection systems is less cargo and fuel they can carry every trip. And for planes that are expected to have a very low need for such systems, the trade off isnt worth it. Everything with the military has compromises between efficiency, safety, mission effectiveness, and cost. And mission effectiveness usually takes priority.
Marcuse
(8,967 posts)
At least the cartoon president doffed his red hat.
Maninacan
(269 posts)Apparently can have 1 crew to monitor fatigue , I don't know how that is done in flight.
vanessa_ca
(876 posts)Prairie Gates
(7,964 posts)Curiouser and curiouser.
vanessa_ca
(876 posts)And then there's the missing or "lost" one which is curious too. There are pics of a KC-135 multiple sources claim the Islamic Resistance of Iraqs air defense system shot down, but who knows. They're claiming they shot it down with a P-358 surface-to-air missile.
Some are speculating that the Iraqi resistance may have used surface-to-air missiles against the aircraft operating in western Iraq, forcing them to perform evasive maneuvers, which could be the cause of the alleged accident. That seems plausible to me.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,035 posts)So what really happened?
riversedge
(80,559 posts)......... The Stratotanker, however, does not have ejection seats. CENTCOM said rescue efforts are ongoing.
Botany
(77,124 posts)milestogo
(22,988 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(69,329 posts)Three more KC-135s have left Salt Lake City headed east.
https://forums.radioreference.com/threads/mid-atlantic-and-beyond-milair-2026.495977/page-100#post-4272333