Pentagon’s 46,000 Temporary Workers May Lose Their Jobs
Source: Bloomberg
The Pentagon has given managers authority to start firing some of its 46,000 temporary workers now in anticipation of across-the-board spending cuts set to take effect in March according to Deputy Defense Secretary Ashton Carter.
By mid-February, the Defense Department is also likely to begin notifying its 800,000 civilian employees that they face mandatory unpaid leave one day a week starting in April unless Congress and President Barack Obama agree on a way to avert the spending cuts aimed at reducing the federal deficit, Carter told reporters in a briefing at the Pentagon today.
There will be 800,000 people subject to furlough all over the country who will not be getting a fifth of their paycheck if the cuts take effect, he said.
Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-25/pentagon-s-46-000-temporary-workers-may-face-immediate-job-cuts.html
lexw
(804 posts)I'm a little shocked that Bloomberg's article used the term "firing." It sounds like those being let go (laid off), were all involved in wrong doing.
I've always understood "laid off" to usually mean "we'll call you back when there's the need."
"Fired" has always meant "goodbye, we don't expect to see you again and if we need somebody you're free to apply again."
You can be fired or terminated for cause. Or just fired or terminated because the company's going out of business or reducing forces.
lexw
(804 posts)"firing" means it was the employee's fault.
My wife used to work H.R., and was always correcting me when I said "fired" as opposed to "laid off."
annm4peace
(6,119 posts)how many nuclear subs, drones, missles do we really need ?
Lets take some of those engineers they are going to lay off and put them to work on roads and solar power.
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)annm4peace
(6,119 posts)I'm sick of hearing how we have to keep funding the Pentagon or they'll cut staff.
they have bizzzzzion dollars going to toys to create more and more conflicts and wars... get god forbid we have a pentagon employee on furlough.
Ok to furlough those building our bridges, and ok to furlough the social worker who checks on abused kids.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Do you think people who lend their talents to this nations security should get a 20% pay cut?
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)cuts'...
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)I don't support them for any of the middle class. I don't for Teachers, Civil Servants, Manufacturing jobs, etc.
I'd support them for Wall Street though.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)a couple of years ago. They were on a sliding scale, but we all got unpaid leave days for a year. It meant we all kept our jobs too.
shanti
(21,675 posts)it was very painful and really affected morale. i wasn't in any danger of losing my job though.
modrepub
(3,496 posts)this year. We've had our budget cut several times. My state colleagues have taken unpaid leave. We've had a pay freeze for almost three years. There's talk of furloughs or unpaid leave floating around. Our school district laid off staff, instituted an activities fee and is talking about eliminating kindergarten. The defense budget can not be a sacred cow. I have no idea why we have 11 aircraft carrier task forces which probably eat up billions of $ for support per year. They don't even audit the defense department like every other federal agency so who know how much they waste.
Hugin
(33,154 posts)This is Govt wide.
I work for another federal agency and I can tell you we've lost almost all of our contract support already and they're looking to cut more. The DoD has been immune to cuts for almost forever. Heck they don't even get audited properly.
annm4peace
(6,119 posts)I was saying they can cut the civil servants but still have money for military weapons that we don't need.
I was also saying we have too many Pentagon positions when we need more workers in our infrastructure.
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)There are plenty of projects that the Pentagon doesn't want but were forced into by Congress in order to ensure jobs for their home districts. If the military had a say in what they wanted I think the budget would be smaller.
Kolesar
(31,182 posts)Look at the families that will be affected!
Don't look at the grotesque mismanagement of the F-35!!
valerief
(53,235 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)What is there...something like 200 of them?
Get rid of them!!!
Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel
(3,273 posts)That would save a lot too.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Stop all the "double-dippers".
They "retire" in their 50's and then are hired right back as a "independent contractor", making even MORE money than being on the military wage!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)who fire workers. Just a thought.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)While about 50% of all US based corporations pay NO TAXES, while gas and oil corporations do NOT PAY their pumping fees, and while banksters get practically free loans from our Fed.
Austerity for workers while the Pentagon has yet to find that missing $6.6 Billion in cash floating around in Iraq.
Lets cut some more jobs and see how the economy does. Maybe we will get a triple dip Recession like England.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)after all the American workers are all a bunch of takers aren't we?
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)They're proposing a maximum weekly benefit of $350, covering only 20 weeks, rather than the current 26. Thank you, Chamber of Commerce.
GOP, N.C. Chamber hatch plan to reduce unemployment benefits, pay state debt
http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/gop-nc-chamber-hatch-plan-to-reduce-unemployment-benefits-pay-state-debt/Content?oid=3220017
"North Carolina's debt is the fourth-highest in the nation," and our unemployment rate is the fifth worst. It's hard to imagine how fucked up this state is.
JOBS!
unhappycamper
(60,364 posts)Few Army employees would escape furloughs
The Air Force nominates Officers for 60 new stars
on edit to add: I've been posting (military) sequestration stuff in the Veterans forum.
Hugin
(33,154 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I am sure many congressman will be getting thousands of calls and emails from angry DoD employees.
underpants
(182,826 posts)the Republicans have gone past the wrapped-in-the-flag BS and are openly displaying how much their constituents rely on the FED'RAL GUBMENT
Hugin
(33,154 posts)Not to worry, Contractor profits will remain unaffected.
This is EXACTLY what the Republicans wanted.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)Hugin
(33,154 posts)restructuring.
They typically become permanent... But, not being good managers I assume Congress is unaware of the need for continuity when it comes to National Security.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It's not like a temp job in the normal world.
Getting all the authorizations for a permanent position to be open, much less filled, frequently results in people being hired as "temporary" or "term" workers.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)The treasure of this nation has been stolen with the help of those we hired to protect it.
The Defense Dept. doesn't even know where the money goes anymore, they just shrug their shoulders and say, "GIVE US MORE!"
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Fact is, unemployment is still WAY too high, and DoD spending is the only stimulus spending we can get through Congress.
I'd far prefer programs like infrastructure spending, but that's not the choice we have.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Let the Leadership buy their own health insurance.!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)You think the Secretary of Defense makes about $200M/year?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)They can game the system if they care to and spend way more than that. It's not just the one persons pay.
There is no accountability, no audits nothing stops them from abusing their positions. Costing America millions, probably billions in taxpayer money.
The President doesn't cost $200M/year, and he gets a much larger salary and spends a ton more on security for his travels.
You might wanna consider strolling back to reality. I think you'll find that you are more successful in getting your goals accomplished when people can't immediately dismiss you for your wildly-wrong statements.
Hugin
(33,154 posts)Where do I sign up?
No accountability? Pensions and perks!
There seems to be a lot of confusion between Civil Service and Wall Street out there.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Hugin
(33,154 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)I rate myself lucky to have access to the Coast Guard commissary
patrice
(47,992 posts)out of VA specializing in DOD civilian staffing contracts, who ridiculed me viciously, in a FB thread, for being unemployed.
Hugin
(33,154 posts)Happens quite frequently.
I'm always suspicious of overblown self-righteous Right Wing blowhards claiming fictitious credentials on FB.
Especially, when they're a bully in a semi-public forum.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Hugin
(33,154 posts)If someone I supervised did something like that, there would be repercussions.
patrice
(47,992 posts)of an entire group.
Staffing recruiters in other sectors aren't all that either!!!
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)I remain...
Hugin
(33,154 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)and is bloated and inefficient. "Defense" taxes should be cut 50 percent.
End the empire, stop "nation-building" and take care of Americans with LOWER TAXES.
Hugin
(33,154 posts)They are directed at the only watchdogs of DoD malfeasance... The Civilians.
Otherwise, it's business-as-usual.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)There was a lot less spent on FY2013 contracts in anticipation of the sequester. Didn't affect long-running programs like the F-35, but greatly affected short-term projects.
Unfortunately, those kinds of contracts are how the DoD funds research, which is the DoD spending with the greatest societal benefits.
Hugin
(33,154 posts)They get paid by the body and they're still there.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)As I said, long-term contracts weren't very affected because they're long-term. For example, if you're talking about the computer helpdesk or the janitors, those are long-term contracts.
Lots of short-term contracts were simply not issued. All the contractors I know were planning to hire, but instead they shuffled people around to keep them employed. And they're getting very concerned about FY2014.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)I don't.
The money we would save if we paid lower taxes would skyrocket the economy and provide jobs.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Tax cuts are terrible stimulus. How do I know? We just tried it two years ago. And 6 years before that. And 8 years before that. And so on, and so on.
Defense spending is the only stimulus spending that can get through Congress. I'd prefer other forms of stimulus spending, such as infrastructure projects, but that isn't the choice we have.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Keynes was right. Putting several million people out of a job won't grow our economy.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)I worked with and around DOD for awhile, but never for them. Beginning in the Clinton years, the Pentagon began a massive non-hiring program, using temps and contractors to take over a huge proportion of its administrative work.
Most of those 46000 temp employees are probably filling positions that the Pentagon could no longer afford to fill, but could not do without. DOD actually pays the temp companies much more per person than they would pay an actual employee in wages; the problem is that they don't want to offer benefits to those employees.
The next step will be to out-source those jobs, at three to ten times the price instead of two to three times the wages, with a fraction of the work output, a much higher rate of errors and do-overs, and completely unreliable security.
The parts of Defense that already do this are the parts that don't work at all.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It's a budget problem. You can't solve it by spending more on contractors doing the same problem - they're paid out of the same budget.
think
(11,641 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)The sequester and the handling of it mean there isn't time for the DoD to figure out which bases to close. It's not as simple as one would think - for example it can have major diplomatic effects.
So they're doing the quick-n-easy thing and firing civilians.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Congress has mandated that money go to each program/activity in a certain amount. Now they need to hack out 9% but can't shut down any programs or bases without action from Congress. That leaves only 1 solution - Scrimp on Operations and Maintenance. So they furlough employees and delay maintenance on ships, planes, and buildings. And just like most things, delaying maintenance now could cost us a lot more later.
Congress has failed to act by passing a budget making the appropriate cuts, mainly because the Republicans can't accept that the US budget isn't filled with fat. We just don't collect the taxes needed.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)The Pentagon could straighten out their records so that they could be audited, find that $2 trillion Rumsfeld testified was missing (on 09/10/2001, no less), and find the billions in cash that went missing in Iraq (sending truckloads of cash into a war zone--now there's brilliant idea). Who manages the Pentagon's finances anyway: The Three Stooges?
shanti
(21,675 posts)the new austerity measure for all. i suffered thru furloughs with the state of california for over 2 years. it really hurt. now my son, who is a civilian employee for DOD will have to as well.
AnnieBW
(10,427 posts)than to discontinue huge contracts for weapons, etc. It's all on how the money is arranged. Money for temps and contractors comes out of Operations and Maintenance money. Programs come out of R&D money, which is locked in.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)no one will escape this if it happens.