Kentucky Neo-Nazis Charged in Gruesome Murder, Dismemberment

[farminator3000]

Source: Salon

The authorities found Delfin’s torso and legs in the field. They searched a nearby landfill, using four pieces of heavy equipment for six hours before calling the search off without finding the rest of the teenager.

Read more: http://www.salon.com/2013/01/26/kentucky_neo_nazis_charged_in_gruesome_murder_dismemberment_partner/

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http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/01/25/kentucky-neo-nazis-charged-in-gruesome-murder-dismemberment/

[Duckhunter935]

1. crazy people do not need guns

they used pipes

[farminator3000]

2. nor should they have unrestricted access to them

what's your point again?

[Duckhunter935]

5. If they passs the NICS check

and are not in a prohibited class. Same as everybody. Not unrestricted access. But you straw arguments again. I would expect they could not pass the checks.

[farminator3000]

9. ya think the drug dealer had a gat to defend himself?

probably.

now some neo-nazi has the kid's gun because it didn't protect him.

awesome, good for you!

[Duckhunter935]

11. I have no idea

[farminator3000]

12. then stop typing.

thank you.

[freshwest]

26. A face to go with the name and the background revealed by one who knew him and them:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/17/daniel-delfin-drug-dealer-killed-ohio_n_2498825.html

There is often a lot left out in the news. Going through the comment section was revealing. Danief Deflin is described as 'tiny, with a child like mind, loving' and going to meetings for his addiction by EmTrinDin in the comment section. Who also says the three who killed him also used heroin and that he fought back as they were killing him. He didn't mention a gun, though. EmTrinDin claims to know the parties involved and is quite angry at the judgements made by strangers and ideologues on the website. He posted several times and thought it was deleted. Here's one:

Guess my first comment got deleted?? But basicaly said.. The news and some others seem to be trying to make daniel look like a big time drug dealer which he was not. he had been on drugs due to having a bad childhood im not even going to discuss and just wanted love and to feel wanted so he found comfort in the wrong group of "friends". But he had started going to meetings to better his life and deserved a chance. He was a tiny little boy with a child like mind and personality and a great friend. So why say he got wat he deserved?? How do you know what he deserved?? Those three are trying to make it look better what they did considering all three of them have shot heroin so dont be so quick to judge.

[farminator3000]

32. ouch.

i wonder why it took 9 days for the nazi thing to come out?

i wonder if the SS tattoo on the guy's neck is going to cause trouble for his lawyer? yeesh.

wasn't the tattoo kind of a giveaway to the cops?

Detectives took swabs from each of the men Thursday afternoon to use as possible DNA evidence in the case. And they learned that one or some combination of the trio has allegiances to white supremacy groups.

http://www.kypost.com/dpps/news/region_northern_kentucky/Gruesome-details-in-Boone-County-dismemberment-case-emerge-premeditation-to-murder-admitted_8173626

"We're going to do everything that we can do to really find out what happened in this situation," she said. "I believe there's probably a lot of facts that we didn't hear today that will come out in the process and we're looking forward to getting more information and continuing to represent Jeff."

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Sterling's interest in the case was purely personal. Her son, Anthony Baumgartner, is one of three men who might face the death penalty at trial.

Jefferey Allen and Stephen Harkness of Verona and Baumgartner, who lives in Florence, are being held without bail at the Boone County Jail on charges of kidnapping, murder, abuse of a corpse and tampering with physical evidence.

Boone District Judge Charles Moore ruled that there was enough evidence in the case to have it presented to a grand jury for consideration.

"He's a good kid," said Sterling said of her son. "I love him."

The current Mississippi resident said she is having a tough time coping with the situation.

"Take the worst thing you can think your child can be accused of doing and multiply it by infinity and beyond," Sterling said.

Read more: http://www.kypost.com/dpps/news/region_northern_kentucky/Gruesome-details-in-Boone-County-dismemberment-case-emerge-premeditation-to-murder-admitted_8173626#ixzz2J7rgGW1o

[Sekhmets Daughter]

16. Why bring up guns here?

[Honeycombe8]

37. Maybe because he's responding to a couple of posts about guns? nt

[Sekhmets Daughter]

40. Not when he brought up guns...

He introduced guns into a thread about a brutal murder that was not committed with guns of any type.

[farminator3000]

4. i mean really, dude?

'hey, a bunch of neo-nazis chopped up a teenage drug dealer"

you:
'AHA! my 2nd amendment is absolute! blah blah balls.

[Chorophyll]

8. Any time anyone is killed without a gun,

somebody named "Duckhunter" is gonna jump on it. As if this somehow undoes the 30,000 gun deaths per year in the U.S.

[Duckhunter935]

10. because

He posts that thinking some will automatically think it was gun related without reading the article. And DUCKHUNTER is because I spent 20 years in Army air defense artillery. That is what we called ourselves.

[farminator3000]

14. if you were in the army maybe you'd realize you don't usually dismember someone with a gun

why would somebody think something without reading or understanding the article?

oh, wait, you did.

if you want to bring guns into it, these are EXACTLY the people who shouldn't have them.

or carry them around in the open, or at all.

you can't seriously tell me you are ok with guys like those scum having MACHINE GUNS???

KY-
State permit to purchase? No No
Firearm registration? No No
"Assault weapon" law? No No
Owner license required? No No
Concealed Carry permits issued? No Yes KRS § 237.110
Open Carry? Yes Yes May carry openly without permit/license.
State preemption of local restrictions? Yes Yes KRS § 65.870 Exception: KRS § 237.115 allows the following entities to restrict concealed carry:

Postsecondary educational institutions
Any unit of government within the state in buildings that it owns, leases, or occupies – however, concealed carry is allowed in highway rest areas, public housing, and private dwellings

NFA weapons restricted? No No
Peaceable journey laws? No No Federal rules observed.

[Duckhunter935]

18. Yep they are scum and I would be very surprised if they pass under federal law.

MACHINE GUNS

Kentucky law.
It is lawful to possess, purchase, or sell a machine gun that is legally registered and possessed in compliance with all federal laws and regulations.

Federal law strictly regulates machine guns (firearms that fire many rounds of ammunition, without manual reloading, with a single pull of the trigger).

Among other things, federal law:

1. requires all machine guns, except antique firearms, not in the U.S. government's possession to be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF);

2. bars private individuals from transferring or acquiring machine guns except those lawfully possessed and registered before May 19, 1986;

3. requires anyone transferring or manufacturing machine guns to get prior ATF approval and register the firearms;

4. with very limited exceptions, imposes a $200 excise tax whenever a machine gun is transferred;

5. bars interstate transport of machine guns without ATF approval; and

6. imposes harsh penalties for machine gun violations, including imprisonment of up to 10 years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both for possessing an unregistered machine gun.

The lawful transfer of a machine gun generally requires (1) filing a transfer application with ATF, (2) paying a transfer tax, (3) getting ATF approval, and (4) registering the firearm in the transferee's name. Transferees must pass an extensive criminal background investigation and meet the criteria for possessing firearms under state and federal law. Among those ineligible are felons and people (1) addicted to controlled substances, (2) discharged under dishonorable conditions from the U.S. Armed Forces, or (3) adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution.


Procedure for Acquiring Machine Guns

An unlicensed individual may acquire machine guns, with ATF approval, from its lawful owner residing in the same state as the individual (27 CFR §§ 479.84 & 479.105). The transferor must file an ATF application, which must be completed by both parties to the transfer

and executed under penalties of perjury, and pay a $200 transfer tax to ATF. The application must include detailed information on the firearm and the parties to the transfer (26 USC § 5812 & 27 CFR § 479.84).

The transferee must certify on the application that he or she is not disqualified from possessing firearms on grounds specified in law. He or she must submit with the application (1) two photographs taken within the past year; (2) fingerprints; and (3) a copy of any state or local permit or license required to buy, possess, or acquire machine guns (27 CFR § 479.85).

An appropriate law enforcement official must also certify whether he or she has any information indicating that the firearm will be used for other than lawful purposes or that possession would violate state or federal law (27 CFR § 479.85).

Approvals and Denials. Anyone acquiring a machine gun must, as part of the registration process, pass an extensive Federal Bureau of Investigation criminal background investigation. If ATF denies an application, it must refund the tax. Gun owners must keep approved applications as evidence of registration of the firearms and make them available for inspection by ATF officers.

Eligibility Criteria for Acquiring Machine Guns

ATF cannot approve an application if the transfer, receipt, or possession of the firearm would place the transferee in violation of law. . . (27 CFR § 479.65).

Federal Law. It is a violation of the NFA for any of the following to acquire or posses firearms, including machine guns:

1. anyone under indictment for or convicted of a felony,

2. fugitives from justice,

3. illegal aliens,

4. anyone unlawfully using or addicted to controlled substances,

5. anyone subject to a domestic violence restraining order (issued in accordance with specified terms),

6. veterans discharged under dishonorable conditions,

7. anyone who has been adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution,

8. people who have renounced their U.S. citizenship, or

9. anyone who has been convicted of misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (18 USC § 922g).

An applicant wanting to register a machine gun must certify, under penalty of perjury, on the required ATF form that he or she is not disqualified from acquiring or possessing firearms on any of these grounds.

[farminator3000]

19. i didn't read that, but i'm sure there are plenty of gun dealers that are also racist

or neo-nazis, so...

probably a few of those are in KY

just sayin'...

40% of all guns no BG check.

how would being a neo-nazi show up on a BG check? is there a checkbox on the driver's license application?

does the neo-nazi group forward their apps to the DOJ?

STORMTROOPER for fuck's sake?

[Duckhunter935]

24. so there are laws concerning machine guns in Kentucky

and penalties

The criminal penalties in the Gun Control Act include both felonies and misdemeanors. Fines and penalties for felonies are at least $250,000 for individuals and $500,000 for organizations. For misdemeanors, the fines are up to $100,000 for individuals and $200,000 for organizations (18 USC § 924). The law also provides for forfeiture of firearms and ammunition involved in NFA violations (26 USC § 5872).

A willful attempt to evade or defeat the tax is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison and a $100,000 fine ($500,000 for corporations) under the general tax evasion statute (26 USC § 7201). For an individual, the $100,000 for tax evasion fine could be increased to $250,000 (18 USC 3571(b)(3)).

All machine guns require background check per the national firearms act of 1968

[farminator3000]

28. what good will they do after the fact?

and what stops those guys or their scumbag racist parents from buying one?

for a $200 tax?

maybe you're right, i can't IMAGINE a neo-nazi trying to circumvent the LAW...

[TheMadMonk]

33. And when was the last time a street hood...

...did 5 years federal and coughed up 100k (just on the EXCISE EVASION) for illegally posessing a mini-uzi?

Or is it a case of never registered for sale in the US, so excise doesn't apply?

[snooper2]

50. "you don't usually dismember someone with a gun"

They did it in "The Jackal"

[paleotn]

15. Really?

You know precisely why farminator posted that story? How did you come by such knowledge? I could kill you with my tv remote or a ball point pen, but that would take significantly more effort on my part and the chances of my intended outcome would be fair less certain than simply shooting you. And your original point is, specifically?....what?

[Sekhmets Daughter]

17. Then you should have waited for the moron...instead of looking for a fight.

[farminator3000]

20. hello?

are you trying to express yourself somehow?

[Sekhmets Daughter]

23. Sorry...I don't know how this post ended up going to you...I've never had this happen before...

[Honeycombe8]

38. Well, if they'd used guns, there would be a post about the need for gun control 'cause of it.nt

[MH1]

27. a) they could have killed a lot more with a machine gun in same time; b) why do you call them crazy?

evil, perhaps, but they targeted this guy because they believed him to be a drug dealer, and they are against drug dealing, and thought it ok to take the law into their own hands. There was a logical train of thought that led them to target this person, and that isn't exactly a hallmark of "crazy".

Crazy = "i'm going to take as many people out as I can and I don't care who they are'.

[Duckhunter935]

29. Yeah, I think evil is a better word

[Honeycombe8]

39. Yes. They're not insane. Legally they had a right to buy guns. Yet they didn't

use guns. Interesting.

[MyNameGoesHere]

30. You are advertising with your screen name?

Oh wait it says Duck. I thought it was something else.

[farminator3000]

34. i mean, why are you bringing up the g-word AT ALL?

people don't need guns, they want them.

mostly.

[AllyCat]

3. I hate hate so I guess that makes me one of their enemies too.

Sickening, sociopathic, despicable lot. May they rot in prison.

[Duckhunter935]

6. Yep

[DollarBillHines]

7. There are plenty of them out there. Everywhere, every day.

Thank heavens that someone turned them in.

[Duckhunter935]

13. Glad the were caught

[farminator3000]

21. no, you're just glad they didn't shoot him with a bushmaster

because that would be more bad publicity for you and your NRA buddies.

[Duckhunter935]

25. nope

just glad they were caught

[Taverner]

22. If ever an argument to ban guns...nt

[Judi Lynn]

31. They appointed themselves to look out for "society's" best interests.

Apparently they imagine "society" will do just fine with scum like them running things.

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Jeffrey Allen, right, leads Anthony Baumgartner and Stephen Harkness into their preliminary hearing in
Boone District Court in Burlington, Ky. on January 17. (Photo: Patrick Reddy, The Cincinnati Enquirer)[/font]

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[SunSeeker]

36. ...

[struggle4progress]

35. Sometimes people stereotype neo-nazis as dangerous sadistic violent psychopaths. But

here's the new friendly face of the neo-nazi movement!

[Brickbat]

41. LBN?

[Judi Lynn]

46. Note the dateline: Saturday, Jan 26, 2013 09:00 AM CST. Why wouldn't it be LBN? n/t

[Brickbat]

47. It's formatted incorrectly and it's a reprint of a feature, not a news story, from the SPLC.

[judesedit]

42. Don't worry. They'll get them good in prison. They'll be squealing mama.

[farminator3000]

43. not if they get the death penalty

it said that was possible somewhere...

they could torture them a little first, though!

[McCamy Taylor]

44. No, they will be the darlings of the Aryan Brotherhood.

[Trascoli]

45. ban assault wepons now!!!

enough is enough!!!

[lunasun]

48. jews, niggers, spikes, gooks and chinks he wrote on his forum Spikes??

Geeez these morans can't even spell their insults right !!

[farminator3000]

49. funny little article about a machine gun fun day in KY- guess who's rubbing elbows!

There were military insignias, tri-cornered hats and "Don't Tread on Me" flags. At least one booth sold flags and banners with swastikas, and uniformed paramilitary groups also displayed signs bearing the Nazi symbol.

Most of the vendors were arrayed around the range's main firing line, the event's center stage with weapons pre-positioned on tripods or other mounts.

Concession stands and the National Rifle Association signup booth shared prime real estate next to a line of packed bleachers. Nearly everyone used ear protection to counter the extreme roar from the simultaneous firing of well over a dozen machine guns only a few feet away.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/21/us-usa-guns-feature-idUSBRE89J0CA20121021

hooooo-wheeeee! Knob Creek! sign me up!

edit:Nine-year-old Cody Miller from Cincinnati was among them. At a secondary firing range a few hundred yards from the main one, a gun range assistant laid an empty ammo box on the ground for the youngster to stand on to fire a Soviet-made PKS heavy machine gun.

"Are you ready for this?" the spotter asked. The boy nodded and opened fire as his proud father looked on and photographed the scene. Cody said this was his second year firing machine guns. No big deal, he shrugged.