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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:31 AM Feb 2013

North Korea Threatens US For What It Calls Double Standards Over Rocket Launches By 2 Koreas

Source: Associated Press

By Associated Press, Updated: Saturday, February 2, 12:10 AM

SEOUL, South Korea — North Korea is threatening to retaliate for what it calls U.S. double standards over recent rocket launches by Pyongyang and U.S. ally Seoul.

A North Korean Foreign Ministry spokesman did not elaborate on what that might entail in his comments Saturday to the official Korean Central News Agency. But Pyongyang has recently threatened to conduct its third nuclear test in response to what it calls U.S. hostility.

Washington says Seoul’s rocket launch Wednesday had no military intent while Pyongyang’s in December was a test of banned ballistic missile technology.

The U.N. Security Council has imposed new sanctions on Pyongyang for its launch. Pyongyang says it should be allowed to launch satellites for peaceful purposes.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/north-korea-threatens-us-for-what-it-calls-double-standards-over-rocket-launches-by-2-koreas/2013/02/02/5f40d0f2-6cf6-11e2-8f4f-2abd96162ba8_story.html

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North Korea Threatens US For What It Calls Double Standards Over Rocket Launches By 2 Koreas (Original Post) Purveyor Feb 2013 OP
North Korea is one psychotic nation. defacto7 Feb 2013 #1
Very true, but so is our nation. olddad56 Feb 2013 #2
yeah... probably so. defacto7 Feb 2013 #3
So you wouldn't rank one "above" the other, using the obvious faults of both? Socal31 Feb 2013 #6
Sounds like you've grown sensitive to the ills of this country... 4saken Feb 2013 #7
Woo, only took two posts for the NK-US equivalency crowd to show up. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #25
Not psychotic enough to where you can't make that statement... Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #26
If the Tea Party ran this country Turbineguy Feb 2013 #27
So North Korea is shaming us? bluedigger Feb 2013 #4
They are laughable davidpdx Feb 2013 #5
That is a really scary thought. obxhead Feb 2013 #10
Well but I'm saying if they dared fire on the South davidpdx Feb 2013 #11
I'm hearing John2 Feb 2013 #20
No, not really davidpdx Feb 2013 #22
No need for nukes (not they they likely have any stockpiled anyway) sir pball Feb 2013 #30
An attack on S. Korea by N. Korea would require a massive US response NickB79 Feb 2013 #28
No, because many of the bases are south of Seoul davidpdx Feb 2013 #29
Yuk Yuk! We're gonna kick their ass! RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #8
See post #11 davidpdx Feb 2013 #12
Yeah the tough talk helped Saddam and the innocent people killed in Iraq too RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #13
Clearly I wasn't talking about firing on them davidpdx Feb 2013 #14
I guess you don't do history so well RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #16
No, I do history fine davidpdx Feb 2013 #17
We don't need anymore attacking RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #18
Yeah davidpdx Feb 2013 #19
I feel really sorry for the North Korean people. loudsue Feb 2013 #9
I do too davidpdx Feb 2013 #15
Seems to me John2 Feb 2013 #21
There is a double standard daleo Feb 2013 #23
+1 cire41 Feb 2013 #24
Except the South doesn't have nukes sir pball Feb 2013 #31
They could probably put nukes together in a short time, if they felt the need daleo Feb 2013 #32
I'm sure they do have the technology sir pball Feb 2013 #33
South Korea has CANDU reactors daleo Feb 2013 #35
Yawn. nt bemildred Feb 2013 #34

4saken

(152 posts)
7. Sounds like you've grown sensitive to the ills of this country...
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:02 AM
Feb 2013

But you'd never make that comparison if you had to personally deal with theirs.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
26. Not psychotic enough to where you can't make that statement...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:48 AM
Feb 2013

Good luck finding one North Korean who posts from the safety of their North Korean home that their nation is psychotic.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
5. They are laughable
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:00 AM
Feb 2013

I'm screaming from the other side at the North Koreans (literally 26 miles from the border), "Go ahead make our day. We'll pummel your asses."

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
10. That is a really scary thought.
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:10 AM
Feb 2013

I remember 6 days, 6 weeks, certainly not 6 months.

Pummeling their asses would lead to extreme tragedy to tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of people, another inconceivably massive debt to deal with, and millions of families affected by every angle of armed conflict of any kind.

"Go ahead, make our day" should be an option we hope we never come to. It shouldn't even be considered an option, it should be considered the ultimate failure.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
11. Well but I'm saying if they dared fire on the South
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:30 AM
Feb 2013

it would essentially be suicide for them. That's exactly why they aren't going to do it. The dictatorship would fall and there would be nothing left of the country. It's all bark and no bite.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
20. I'm hearing
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:20 AM
Feb 2013

all this chest beating from both sides but remind me how destructive a nuclear bomb was in Japan? How many do North Korea has now? Can the people of South Korea survive a nuclear attack? I think North Korea has sacrificed food for defense against us. I would be suprised if anybody wants a War, including South Korea on the Korean Peninsula. China would probably step in also if anyone on both sides resort to a nuclear conflict. So beating your chests has no logic on both sides.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
22. No, not really
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:54 PM
Feb 2013

You are seeing Kim Jong Un continue to do the same things his father did and the US, South Korea, and Japan go to the UN and ask for sanctions.

North Korea does not yet have a portable device in terms of a nuclear bomb.

Again I point out that anything they would do would be suicide as it would bring and end to the regime.

sir pball

(4,742 posts)
30. No need for nukes (not they they likely have any stockpiled anyway)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:33 PM
Feb 2013

Seoul is well within the range of the tens of thousands of conventional artillery pieces that the Norks have heavily dug into the mountains just north of the DMV. Yes, in the end, the South and US would completely crush NK, but not before Seoul was pounded into dust by a hundred thousand old-fashioned cannon shells.

NickB79

(19,246 posts)
28. An attack on S. Korea by N. Korea would require a massive US response
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:41 AM
Feb 2013

Yes, it would ultimately be suicide for N. Korea, but they'd take tens/hundreds of thousands of S. Koreans, and many thousands of US servicemembers, with them.

A friend of mine who was shipped off to serve in S. Korea a few years ago once made a remark I haven't forgotten: "If N. Korea invaded, we'd run out of bullets before we ran out of N. Koreans to shoot at." Resupply would be a long way away, even with air drops.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
29. No, because many of the bases are south of Seoul
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:11 AM
Feb 2013

and we still have the superior air power. Yes, they could probably level a good deal of Seoul and the surrounding area. Whether they would take Seoul, I very much doubt it. Japan is not that far away to bring in additional aircraft. There would also be a question of how many of the malnourished North Koreans would actually show up to fight. The active duty soldiers are taken care of, but anyone who is not active duty and not a government official is probably not well off.

RandiFan1290

(6,235 posts)
8. Yuk Yuk! We're gonna kick their ass!
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:16 AM
Feb 2013

Yeeehawww! Let's get signed up quick so wes can kill some motherfuckers y'all!! We needs the kiddies signed up too! Can't leave them out of the killing FUN!!!1

http://www.todaysmilitary.com/contact-a-recruiter

RandiFan1290

(6,235 posts)
13. Yeah the tough talk helped Saddam and the innocent people killed in Iraq too
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:41 AM
Feb 2013

Sorry I don't play this game

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
14. Clearly I wasn't talking about firing on them
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:43 AM
Feb 2013

I was talking about them firing on the South. I guess you can't read so well.

RandiFan1290

(6,235 posts)
16. I guess you don't do history so well
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:03 AM
Feb 2013

Saddam did the tough talk too. He wanted to avoid an invasion. There were no weapons and we invaded a weak broken down country. There was no firing on anyone to provoke that invasion.

N Korea needs food and medicine to the people. We should flood the country with it even if a lot of it goes to the military.

We heard plenty of childish tough talk 10 years ago. I hope we've learned something by now.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
17. No, I do history fine
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:12 AM
Feb 2013

In fact you may recall it was the North that attacked the South that started the Korean War. My point is if they were to attack it would be a mistake. I don't think they would do that though.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
19. Yeah
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:19 AM
Feb 2013

As I said, my house is 26 miles from the border. We'd be toast with their artillery. I'd rather not find out how good their aims is.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
9. I feel really sorry for the North Korean people.
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:44 AM
Feb 2013

They have a psychotic tyrant family at the helm of their country, keeping everyone starving except the army that does the tyrant's bidding.

It has to be a nightmare.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
15. I do too
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:45 AM
Feb 2013

North Korean refugees have spoken out about the conditions and they are appalling. They spend almost all of their money on defense and let people starve.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
21. Seems to me
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:23 AM
Feb 2013

some people in our Government has the same philosophy when it comes to spending cuts. They like shiny toys too.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
23. There is a double standard
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:24 PM
Feb 2013

That's just a fact. To castigate North Korea for things that the west congratulates South Korea is the very essence of a double standard.

Given their history, I doubt that Japan, for example, is happy to see either Korea capable of ICBM or nuclear weaponry.

sir pball

(4,742 posts)
31. Except the South doesn't have nukes
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:36 PM
Feb 2013

Nor AFAIK any intention of developing them (though if we pulled our support, I'd wager they'd get on that pretty quickly) - so their space launches, while definitely applicable to ICBM technology, are inherently a hell of a lot more benign than the Norks. It's like having a gun with no ammunition.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
32. They could probably put nukes together in a short time, if they felt the need
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:12 AM
Feb 2013

If they haven't already.

Japan could probably build a bomb quickly too.

sir pball

(4,742 posts)
33. I'm sure they do have the technology
Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:30 PM
Feb 2013

The theoretical development of nukes is almost ancient history; it's a purely engineering problem these days and the Koreans are damn fine at that.

The biggest hurdle the South would have is the fissile materials themselves, with no active enrichment infrastructure (even if they do produce power-grade fuel you can't just dial it up to eleven, you need further hardware) the timeframe would still be fairly long. Unless we or Japan (they DO have the infrastructure to produce weapons-grade materials) supplied them on the sly, it would still be a multi-year project. Also, while they, nor any nation really, aren't saints, they aren't psychotic obsessive lunatics like the Norks...just sayin'.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
35. South Korea has CANDU reactors
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:24 AM
Feb 2013

India built a bomb on the sly with their help, Pakistan too. So you never can be sure.

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