Congress tries again to hand president a line-item veto
Its not often that Congress voluntarily surrenders power, and even less common for both parties to agree to do so.
But thats what will happen if the latest version of legislation granting the president line-item veto authority keeps inching forward, as members of both parties endorse the idea that the current system of checks and balances isnt working well enough at slashing spending. Critics, meanwhile, say an ineffective Congress is simply passing the buck.
In November, the chairman and ranking member of the House Budget Committee Reps. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) teamed up to offer the Expedited Line-Item Veto and Rescissions Act of 2011, a measure giving the White House the ability to demand a separate up-or-down vote on spending items the president especially dislikes.
The bill cleared the budget panel and is scheduled to receive a House Rules Committee hearing Tuesday, and it could reach the floor as soon as next week. One of several budget-reform proposals being advanced by Ryan, the line-item measure marks a rare case of cooperation between the Republican chairman and Van Hollen, who have spent most of the past 13 months squabbling over spending.
full: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress-tries-again-to-hand-president-a-line-item-veto/2012/01/30/gIQAi7ATdQ_story.html
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)They just want to pass blame for their next budget off on Obama.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The reason the last one was shot down by the SCOTUS is because the president could shoot spending down without a congressional vote. It sounds like this time he can line item specific parts of a bill which go back to congress for a simple up/down vote. This should pass constitutional muster.
alp227
(32,034 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I don't believe in the line item veto. It will almost certainly make the legislative process more convoluted than it already is.
RC
(25,592 posts)Why not the POTUS? Veto some of the BS inserted in must pass bills.
JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)None can pass laws that are unconstitutional at the Federal level. Our courts are full of cases where they keep trying though.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Is that a tinkling sound? Or a hummmmmming sound?
The U.S constitution gives a 2/3 majority Congress the power to override the Presidential veto.
So I don't see how a simple up or down vote conforms to the Constitutional requirement of a two-thirds majority by Congress being necessary to override a veto. On the other hand, this Congress and this President don't seem to be constrained by the legalities imposed by the Constitution either.
- Of course they'll save the country a bunch of money on toilet paper.......
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The procedure is pretty simple. Congress sends the bill to the President. The President lines out what he doesn't like. The bill goes back to congress for an up or down vote. If they vote passes a simple majority it goes back to the President for signature.
No 2/3rds majority is required because it has exactly squat to do with a congressional veto override.
The reason why the first line item veto failed was because it didn't go back to congress once the President had modified the bill and the only recourse congress had was to pass a disapproval bill. The SCOTUS found to be a violation of the Presentment Clause.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And a damned good idea.
Force transparency and accountability on DC.
I like it.
DeSwiss
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freshwest
(53,661 posts)Found in Yonkers
(100 posts)Perhaps we're outnumbered here, but I've always considered a LIV a desirable goal.
cstanleytech
(26,295 posts)from legislation.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If W had the line-item-veto, he could have ended Social Security by vetoing the funding for the Social Security Administration.
Sure, there'd still be a trust fund, but no one to print the checks....and no way to buy the paper on which to print the checks.
Future Republicans could use a similar tactic to end Medicare. Or a host of other safety net programs they'd love to end.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)'Pork' often feeds the well-connected conservative voter base through contracts, but denies social programs, which they say their area can't have because they're fiscal conservatives. It is a source of income inequality in red states to keep the less advantaged living hand to mouth and unable to participate in the political process. Thus they stay in power there.
Conservatives claim to be for small government, but employ people to do what honestly should be called public functions through MIC contracts to private firms, etc. They took the money they fought Obama on to keep auto factories in their districts, then went home to claim credit for saving those jobs they voted against and were booed. Same with the stimulus money they fought Obama getting, but they got away with that canard for the most part. It's time to get honest about where the money comes from instead of wrapping it all in the flag like a curtain.
Just like the faith based funding, that some churches recieve who are trying to use to force the receipients to adhere to their way of thinking instead how the monies were designed to help. In drug diversion plans people have been forced through faith based organizations who insist that those who don't believe must still say that they do, or they are not eligible and have been sent to prison for not lying. This is thought coercion on a most intimate and private matter and is why some people are in other dire straits because they will not give up that last shred of human freedom.
Now we have healthcare vendors who take money from the public who may not think the same as they do, and discriminate on how it will be returned to the public. It's fine for them to think as they do, but when they take taxpayer money, it's dishonest to hold back on that money. It's a violation of the First Amendment to fund a religion and not a real social service.
I say push all things in the open and let a Democratic administration do what the GOP fears most, equal the playing field in their base. Nordquist has already announced they must impeach Obama in a second term for letting the tax break for millionaires expire. The funding for the Tea Party Revolution was only to stop that tax break from expiring, not all that hogwash they pulled in the lunatic fringe to create a voting block. They're having to come out into the open, no fancy rhetoric, just show me the money!
They can't make the case that coddling the Kochs is going to provide jobs now, they've only had their shills in Congress influence their base with pork. Let the American people decide where the money goes, not this crew up there. They won't censor themselves on their conflicts of interest with corporations. Anywhere else, those guys would be convicted of insider trading.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)That's why it's a terrible idea. Because of how Republican presidents would use it.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Why didn't the Republicans want a Democrat to have it....perhaps it's similar to why Democrats shouldn't want Republicans to have it. Hrm.....
Kurmudgeon
(1,751 posts)MFrohike
(1,980 posts)I personally find the obsession with "wasteful spending" to be nothing but a charade, but this is a joke. It's as cynical as the supercommittee or Gramm-Rudman. Sadly, it's not nearly cynical enough to be entertaining. Congress will pass an appropriations bill. The president will redline a few items, maybe even something big enough to notice. Then it will go back to Congress for a majority vote and likely die or the item in question will just be shifted to a later appropriations bill or tacked to a different fiscal year. In the end, a bunch of people will be patting themselves on the back for the equivalent of playing three card monty by yourself.
This is what happens when "serious people" discuss the federal deficit and debt. We get "solutions" with all the drama and gravitas of a reality show. It would be depressing if it didn't produce so much apathy.
BumRushDaShow
(129,096 posts)and when the Dem had it, it was thrown out.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)I for one think it would totally suck.
The executive branch already has way too much power.
We elect Congress Critters in a constitutional republic to pass laws for us. The president is not elected for this purpose but is elected to run the Executive Branch and CARRY out the passed laws.
Giving the president such powers to veto only a portion of passed bills will lead to a further lowering of the citizens' vote.
I say HELL NO.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)to use it before the USSC declared it un-Constitutional.
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)In addition to giving the president unilateral power to remove things from Congressionally-passed legislation, let's also give him the authority to add things to legislation without having to ask Congress for it!
This is stupid as shit, folks: the Republicans believe they're going to take the White House (which they'd probably have a better chance at if anyone liked any of the current contenders) and want to give the Republican president the power to unilaterally remove anything the Democrats like from various budget bills.