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Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 09:17 PM Feb 2013

Meteorite fragments found in Russia's Urals region

Source: BBC News

Fragments from a meteorite have been found in Russia's Urals region where it struck on Friday, injuring some 1,200 people, Russian scientists say.

The fragments were detected around a frozen lake near Chebarkul, a town in the Chelyabinsk region, where the meteorite is believed to have landed.

Viktor Grohovsky, of the Urals Federal University, told Russian media that the material contained about 10% iron.


Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21494963



Looks like a stony meteorite instead of a nickel-iron one, and NASA's thinking it was quite a lot bigger than the initial reports suggested going by the energy from the blast.
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Meteorite fragments found in Russia's Urals region (Original Post) Posteritatis Feb 2013 OP
Pretty cool. Fragments will be for sale on ebay soon. 1620rock Feb 2013 #1
Bounty sets off hunt for meteorite pieces dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #2
I Always Thought These Things DallasNE Feb 2013 #5
energy is a human mental construct, not in the Bible, but explains much kiri Feb 2013 #6
Cool. That's what I thought but without all the scientific words lunatica Feb 2013 #13
close kiri Feb 2013 #16
I've always wanted a good - sized meteorite NBachers Feb 2013 #3
I'll take one full of gemstones Baclava Feb 2013 #4
Beautiful retrogal Feb 2013 #7
They are available - I used to sell some for awhile Tom Rinaldo Feb 2013 #11
20 ft hole was made by something AnotherDreamWeaver Feb 2013 #8
it won't take anything near a 20 foot meteor to do that backwoodsbob Feb 2013 #9
Impactors are usually *much* larger than their craters Posteritatis Feb 2013 #10
Pic: jsr Feb 2013 #12
I like their improvised radiation suits slackmaster Feb 2013 #14
Good one! RedCloud Feb 2013 #15

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
2. Bounty sets off hunt for meteorite pieces
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 10:49 PM
Feb 2013

THE Russian city where the biggest meteorite to hit earth in more than 100 years crashed last week is facing a gold rush, with collectors offering more than $15,000 for a fragment of the rock.

A day after the fireball streaked across the sky and exploded with the force of an atomic bomb, residents in Chelyabinsk were out in force searching for pieces to sell. Potential buyers posted messages on the Russian internet calling on finders to come forward. One Russian buyer offered 500,000 roubles ($16,000) for a single fragment.

At a frozen reservoir outside the nearby town of Chebarkul, where the largest meteorite pieces are thought to have crashed, authorities stopped "meteorite hunters" searching around a 8m-wide crater punched in the ice by the impact.

"Off to look for pieces of meteorite! Who knows, maybe I'll strike gold!" a local resident called Sergei wrote online.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/bounty-sets-off-hunt-for-meteorite-pieces/story-fnb64oi6-1226579823065

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
5. I Always Thought These Things
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 01:44 AM
Feb 2013

Would both break up and burn up from the friction as they fell to earth. Now I learn that they explode powerfully. So, what provides the fuel as the explosive force was greater than one would expect from 10 tons of, say, dynamite. With volcanoes I always presumed the explosions came from the sudden release of high pressure like a balloon breaking rather than a true blast. Time to change my thinking.

kiri

(794 posts)
6. energy is a human mental construct, not in the Bible, but explains much
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 02:45 AM
Feb 2013

The "explosion" comes from the huge kinetic energy the meteor has, 1/2 mass times velocity squared. v-squared is a big number; mass is relatively unimportant. At the end of its trajectory, all this energy has to go somewhere. Some goes into making the rock hot--but in the short time, thermal conduction cannot dissipate all the heat from the surface to the inner mass. Much of the energy then goes into heating the nearby air. But air molecules cannot get out of the way fast enough--so they bunch up. That creates a pressure wave--a sonic boom. Atoms in the outer layer glow to incandescence; huge thermal stresses appear. Something has to give.

So the combination of very hot atoms, internal stresses, air molecules, makes for an explosion as the kinetic energy is released and dissipated. A small fraction of the energy goes into the kinetic energy of the fragments, but most goes into heat. Light (electromagnetic) and sound (acoustic pressures) arise.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
13. Cool. That's what I thought but without all the scientific words
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 11:48 AM
Feb 2013

Welcome to DU. We like knowledgeable people like you. In my mind I saw it like a tomato being thrown at a wall with the tomato being the meteor and the wall representing the air resistance at that point where it creates that sonic boom. Am I even close?

kiri

(794 posts)
16. close
Tue Feb 19, 2013, 05:18 PM
Feb 2013

It's not bad. But the splat of the tomato takes place over a second or so (and it does actually warm up--very slightly--as its kinetic energy has to go somewhere; energy always has to go somewhere, usually into heat).

Here we have an object growing hotter and hotter--on its surface--over maybe 20 seconds. But heat conduction does not happen that fast, so the interior is still cold. Hence, stresses--exactly the same happens when you pour hot water into a glass and it cracks. But stresses release energy as molecule separates from molecule. Electrons are promoted to higher energy orbits, and then return releasing light and X-rays. And hot atoms have chemical reactions with air molecules--this takes place in milliseconds. Atoms/molecules reacting with oxygen atoms is what we call fire. (Or very accelerated rusting!)

When you get to temperatures of 1000-3000 C, the world is very different. Kitchen experiences with heat are not an adequate guide.

The situation in the meteor and its nearby air gets ever more unhappy and complicated. So much energy, so little space and time. Something has to give, as the energy can no longer be contained by the pre-existing forces. Out comes light and sound.

I am curious as to whether there was any fogging on photographic materials, from X-rays. The energy might not have been quite great enough, but I suspect there were some.

Heat is a form of energy; not the same as temperature. There are only 4 fundamental forces in our Universe. That is profound.






 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
4. I'll take one full of gemstones
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 01:01 AM
Feb 2013


When a 925-pound meteorite crash landed in Fukang, China, in 2000, there were few signs of the beauty that lay within. But when a thin slice was removed from the rock creating a window to the inside, a breathtaking site was revealed. This was no ordinary meteorite. It was an extremely rare pallasite – a type of stony-iron meteorite – that contained large, translucent, gem-quality olivine (or peridot) in a silvery honeycomb of nickel-iron.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
11. They are available - I used to sell some for awhile
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 10:13 AM
Feb 2013

I was never a real "player" in that market but I had a friend who was - so I handled some from time to time. The most common iron-nickle meteorites came from a massive fall that happened over two thousand years ago in South America. I dunno current pricing - but I was buying quais wholesale at $60 a pound. The more exotic meteorites (with internal "space gems" etc) are also very available. You really should buy one. A seven pounder is quite impressive - they feel much much heavier because they trick your mind - they are so dense that you expect a piece to be much lighter than it really is when you go to pick one up.

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,850 posts)
8. 20 ft hole was made by something
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 04:17 AM
Feb 2013

And if that something is 20 feet in diamater and 10% iron, what will be needed to lift it from the lake bottom?

 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
9. it won't take anything near a 20 foot meteor to do that
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 07:16 AM
Feb 2013

depending on the type of soil it hit it could take a 50 lb or so rock to do that.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
10. Impactors are usually *much* larger than their craters
Mon Feb 18, 2013, 07:18 AM
Feb 2013

If it was twenty feet across when it hit the ground, you'd be able to build a small apartment building in the crater.

Most meteorites tend to be either "alter the real estate for a significant distance" scale or surprisingly small when they're recovered.

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