Susan G. Komen Foundation Maintains Apparent Partnership With Handgun Seller

[alittlelark]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/susan-g-komen-planned-parenthood-handgun_n_1252448.html

Susan G. Komen Foundation Maintains Apparent Partnership With Handgun Seller

WASHINGTON -- The Susan G. Komen Foundation may not want to have anything to do with Planned Parenthood, but it appears to have no problem associating itself with handguns.

Business Insider first reported Thursday that Komen, which has come under fire this week for cutting off its funding for Planned Parenthood in what appears to be a politically motivated move, has apparently maintained a partnership with a gun seller that offers a pink "Hope" handgun.

"Discount Gun Sales is proud to team up with the Susan B. Koman [sic] Foundation to offer the Walther P-22 Hope Edition in recognition of Breast Cancer Awareness Month. A portion of each P-22 Hope Edition will be donated to the Seattle Branch of the Susan G. Komen Foundation," reads the description on the gun seller's website. "The P-22 Hope Edition has an exclusive DuraCoat Pink slide in recognition of Breast Cancer Awareness month. Utilizing the same reliable controls and firing mechanism that has made the Walther P-22 America's top selling handgun, the Hope Edition will be a limited production pistol offered exclusively through Discount Gun Sales."

[Johnny Rico]

1. And this is bad...why, exactly?

[TBF]

6. And you are posting on this message board ... why, exactly?

Please be specific.

[Badsam]

9. Susan G. Komen Foundation does raise money and awareness for cancer

Their decision against Planned Parenthood was idiotic and politically motivated but why is taking donations from any company bad if it furthers the cause of ending cancer. Guns are legal, and if a adult wants a pink gun that, in the end, helps fight cancer, what is the problem?

and your attitude sucks

[TBF]

22. lol

That is exactly what I would expect you to say right down to the personal insult. So typical.

[Lost-in-FL]

24. Seriously???

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Bwahahahaha! Why a 'pro-life' organization would want to sell a gun (using the same bogus argument they used for their anti-choice fiasco). But the... I don't think you see the irony.

[Beavker]

30. Abortions are legal too

So they picked the right wing to align with. Fine. I'll find another place to donate to help save lives.

I'd like to see more organizations get more involved anyway. SGK is becoming too big to fail if they can decimate woman's services that easily...if you know what I mean.

[csziggy]

44. "a pink gun that, in the end, helps fight cancer" What is that supposed to mean?

The minimal amount of money that Komen might make from the sale of a hand gun is not going to significantly add to the research to fight breast cancer. The damage that the perception that Komen gives their imprimatur to a weapon will likely cost them more money than they might make from it.

Guns don't fight cancer - scientists do.

[Johnny Rico]

14. To be specific:

To point out that selling a perfectly legal product so as to raise money to fight cancer is a good thing.

Any other questions?

[Skwid]

15. Amazingly, there are some people who are scandalized at the idea that some people have legal

and effective means to defend themselves and their families against criminals. (I can't explain it, I just know they exist).

[iverglas]

33. love the tag team

Enjoy!

[Skwid]

79. It's better than sex, I promise.

Hang in there, Black Knight.

[HuckleB]

16. "Perfectly legal" doesn't mean it's good.

Next.

[Skwid]

17. Like abortion? Same-sex marriage in Massachusetts, NY, etc?

[itsrobert]

20. If two people who love each and get married, why is that not good?

?

[Skwid]

77. That is indeed a good thing. I'm sorry if my message wasn't clear.

I was replying to someone who -seemed- to suggest otherwise, in certain cases.

[HuckleB]

27. Like red herrings.

[yardwork]

29. You're saying that abortion and same-sex marriage being legal is not good?

[iverglas]

34. everybody missed that point of yours, didn't they?

The comment was that perfectly legal doesn't mean good, to which you replied:

Like abortion? Same-sex marriage in Massachusetts, NY, etc?

Interesting how you didn't say:

Like adultery? Slavery in the post-colonial United States?

Get it, folks?

Our new friend is trying to tell us that since legal same-sex marriage is a good thing, a charity devoted to women's well-being partnering with a manufacturer of things widely used to abuse, injure and kill women is a good thing!

[Skwid]

78. Yes, they most assuredly missed my point, almost as badly as you did.

[Johnny Rico]

21. Choice is a good thing.

Whether it's reproductive freedom, or the freedom to defend one's self.

[HuckleB]

28. Red herring conflations are not good things.

Next.

[iverglas]

32. and the meme is heard again throughout the land

exploiting women and women's struggle for reproductive rights in the service of the gun militant agenda, among others. CHOICE!!

Women's reproductive choices really are no one else's business, since they affect no one else.

Access to firearms is a community's and society's business, since, too obviously, it affects everyone.

Acknowledgement of these distinctions is what distinguishes the left from the loonytarian, and people of goodwill from people of self-interest.

Access to firearms also women's business. Firearms homicides of women are committed by their present and former intimate partners more than by anyone else. Women are intimidated into remaining in abusive relationships by men with firearms. Women live in communities wracked by firearms violence. People who genuinely care about women do not get into bed with people whose sole aim is to sell more guns.

The decision of this Komen outfit to partner with a firearms manufacturer is just staggeringly bizarre. Except that it isn't. The right wing in its various outcroppings just tends to pal around with itself.

I've been reading up. (We don't have this Komen outfit in Canada, of course, but apparently there has been a recent partnership "in research, education, advocacy and awareness programs across borders" with our Breast Cancer Foundation.) Its corporate ties and its spending on fundraising and administration do not rank it high among charitable organizations.

[TBF]

23. Let's be even more specific -

It's grand to sell legal products to raise money to fight cancer in rich white republican women.

Is that what you meant to say?

De-funding PP only means the poor women of color (and some who may be white) will die from their breast cancer that will go undetected until it is way too late to save them.

I'm glad that makes you happy.

[CreekDog]

72. I'm willing to bet it raises peanuts and actually creates far more money for gun sellers than Komen

and cancer for that matter.

let's not let any of the gun pushers let themselves feel like buying a instrument of killing are actually doing something charitable.

[TBF]

73. It's amazing that an organization that claims to want to save lives would have

anything to do with endorsing weapons that cause death. Baffles the mind ...

[CreekDog]

74. run by a Republican appointee of GW Bush?

maybe not so amazing, especially in light the past week.

[TBF]

75. Yup -

now that I know about how they stopped the funding of embryonic cell research along with cutting off planned parenthood I have no use for them.

[LanternWaste]

25. Like selling cigarettes to raise money to fight cancer?

"selling a perfectly legal product so as to raise money to fight cancer is a good thing...."
"Any other questions?"

Like selling cigarettes to raise money to fight cancer?

[Hoyt]

40. Exactly.

[slackmaster]

59. Cigarettes are the only product that harm their owner when used as intended, other than...

...high-heeled shoes.

Firearms don't do that.

[carla]

53. If you can't figure it out...

a gun named Hope? Shooting is hardly an ally of breast cancer research except for knuckledraggers.

[brooklynite]

2. How ironic that they just shot themselves in the foot...

[crazylikafox]

7. LOL. DUzy

[Kolesar]

12. Har har

I was hoping this thread would be darker, but you made it fun

[avaistheone1]

18. their karma got them

[onehandle]

3. More proof that this organization is just another tentacle of conservatopia. nt

[Boombaby]

5. Yes

I know someone who used to work there. She called it a "scam factory."

[Lint Head]

4. I guess Komen figures if you can't afford the medical treatment for breast cancer you

could just shoot the tumors.

[Critters2]

8. Well, this puts an end to that rumor that they're pro-life. nt

[IcyPeas]

13. EXACTLY what I thought....

what was it the pro-life crowd were calling that doctor that was murdered? "Tiller the Baby Killer"....... pot calling the kettle black. Wonder if they used a pink gun?

[Kolesar]

10. "Hope" God is with you when you die?

Ok, that's a song lyric by The The.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

11. Prior threads on this in GD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002262135

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002261693

[Bruce Wayne]

19. I detest guns...

But I detest breast cancer more. And the pink ones are really kind of cute.

[Nolimit]

26. I doubt the P-22 is the top selling handgun

I'd think the distinction of top selling handgun probably goes to the Glock line. They make Pink everything for breast cancer awareness; my contact lens case is pink. As far as partnerships go, I can't see many people getting worked up about this. Maybe if it was a Pink Mossberg or a Pink AR. A .22 caliber pistol, while not a toy, is just not as scary.

[Atypical Liberal]

31. I fail to see the problem here.

Discount Gun Sales is selling a completely legal .22 caliber pistol and donating a portion of the proceeds to the Komen foundation.

http://www.discountgunsales.com/walther-p-22-hope-edition-34-pr-5575.html

[Travelman]

37. What you're failing to see

is that those guns will get up all by themselves and go out and start shooting people. My GOD! They're going to go out all by themselves and start shooting *gasp* children!!!!

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[EFerrari]

56. Lmao. Nothing says "hope" like a handgun. n/t

[hack89]

35. Good. nt

[gejohnston]

36. I own a Walther P-22

I fail to see the problem.

[obamanut2012]

42. Because it makes them hypocrites

[gejohnston]

49. my bad

had to go back and read the whole thing to get the idea. I agree with you about pink. OD green is as fancy as I would get.

[carla]

54. Try this...

their slogan is "Life, Love and Hope'...how does a handgun provide any of these? Happiness is NOT a warm gun...shoot, shoot.
Gun dealers are killers. No denying it. And stop all the BS about self defense...you know more folks die from their own guns than at the hands of robbers. The new Komen slogan should read, "Death, Hate and Despair". Seeing anything yet?

[gejohnston]

57. your opinion.

you know more folks die from their own guns than at the hands of robbers.

that is not actually true, but has been a talking point since the 70s.
guns are machines, machines do not provide anything.

[chervilant]

58. hmph

Are you not jaded by such a trite red herring, a rather poor approximation of "Guns don't kill people; people kill people!"? I don't even know why gun advocates continue to trot it out. What's the point?

Clearly, people must choose to use guns murderously. However, you cannot erase the fact that guns--specifically, handguns--are made for the express purpose of killing another human being.

Please, consider that fact the next time you proffer that offensive palliative. Instead, why shouldn't gun advocates encourage safe and responsible gun ownership? This would go a lot further toward a more realistic perspective of guns.

[obamanut2012]

67. Every gun owner I know does do that

Including me. And, all but my father range from liberal to very, very liberal. I can tell you that I had a very rigorous class and test to qualify for my CCW, including knowing how to safely use the pistol, making a certain score after shooting 150 rds. in a row, and knowing gun laws and responsibilities. As I said, we also had a written test. This was a 20-hour course, taught by attorneys, LEOs, etal.

Handguns ARE meant to kill people. Some people shouldn't own a gun, because they are idiots with them. I also don't think some people should own ATVs for the same reason. These two groups tend to overlap.

[chervilant]

80. Thanks for your response.

My dad taught me to respect all guns. He taught me and my two sisters how to handle his 22, and his double barrel shotgun. I had a bruise the size of a cantaloupe on my shoulder after I fired his shotgun, but knocking cans off a fence rail with the 22 was quite exhilarating. And, I was quite clear from a very early age that guns are not toys.

I have a guy friend who's taking me deer hunting when I get back to the Ozarks. He's told me he 'reckons' I'm the only girl he's ever known to express an interest in deer hunting. I'm counting on him to help me acquire a good general purpose rifle. I told him I 'reckon' that if I want my favorite lean protein on my table, I'd best learn how to hunt.

(If I were staying in Houston, I'd consider a CCW. I was 6 points shy of expert with both a pistol and an M-16 in high school ROTC. I don't fear guns, just some of the idiots who wield them...)

[gejohnston]

83. what?

I was not raised as an animist, and I am not so sure it is a red herring. It is simply a literal statement of fact. Call it concrete thinking if you wish, maybe it is. If you think it is trite, so be it. The best answer to your question would be something like why do gun control advocates string together logical fallacies and emotional ranting to argue for what they define as rational and sane. You may be too young to remember, but some arguments really amounted to the trigger pulling the finger back then.

In general they are designed with that idea, but some specific guns are not.

I did not mean that to be offensive, simply literal thinking. It is an INTP thing, I can't help it. I actually thought we do encourage safe and responsible gun ownership. There are certainly people who should not have guns. We can do a better job of it, but have you seen evidence of not doing so?

Reading some of your other posts leaves me perplexed. I am guessing that you are more offended by what you described as a trite red herring (and an inappropriate color for a gun) than guns in general? I agree with you on pink guns (making them works of art with engraving and inlay is one thing, but making them look like toys is ummm). What is really hideous is the lavender SMG I saw at a local class three dealer. Still there after three years. The guy finally took it off display and leaves it in the vault because too many people mistake it for a paint ball gun.

[chervilant]

93. hmm...

Perplexed is an apt description of my reaction to your post. So, in that, we are on the same page.

[dipsydoodle]

38. Susan Komen in U-turn on Planned Parenthood funding cut

A major US breast cancer charity has reversed a decision to cut funding to women's group Planned Parenthood, after the move provoked a furious outcry.

Susan G Komen apologised for its move to withdraw support for the prominent US reproductive health organisation.

Critics said the decision to cut breast-screening grants was prompted by pressure from anti-abortion activists.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-16875958

[stockholmer]

39. BOGUS STORY. HuffPo got punked :Susan G. Komen Foundation Says It's Not Connected To Pink 'Hope' Gun

WASHINGTON -- The Susan G. Komen Foundation has responded to reports Friday that it is affiliated with a handgun manufacturer selling a pink gun designed to promote breast cancer awareness, saying that it does not have a partnership with the manufacturer and has not received donations from it

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/susan-g-komen-planned-parenthood-handgun_n_1252448.html

[obamanut2012]

43. I don't believe them

I've seen pink guns at gun shows displayed with a pink placard and the Komen name. I want a statement from Walther and other manufacturers.

Googling.

[stockholmer]

51. I understand that the company selling the guns tried to connect itself with Komen, but now even they

have pulled the gun from their site. A statement from Walther would be of help, agreed.

[obamanut2012]

68. It's still on their site

[csziggy]

47. So why hasn't the Komen Foundation sued to protect the use of their name?

In recognition of Breast Cancer Awareness Month, Discount Gun Sales is proud to team up with the Susan G. Komen Foundation to offer the Walther P-22 Hope Edition. A portion of the proceeds for every P-22 Hope Edition sold will be donated to the Seattle Branch of the Susan G. Komen Foundation.
http://www.discountgunsales.com/walther-p-22-hope-edition-34-pr-5575.html

[stockholmer]

52. Apparently Komen did contact the gun dealer, as the pistol has been pulled from the site.

[slackmaster]

63. The gun is still on the Discount Gun Sales site and it still refers to the Susan G. Komen foundation

http://www.discountgunsales.com/walther-p-22-hope-edition-34-c-720-p-1-pr-5575.html

[obamanut2012]

66. I just checked, too

[slackmaster]

61. "Due to overwhelming popularity, we are no longer taking backorders on this item."

http://www.discountgunsales.com/walther-p-22-hope-edition-34-c-720-p-1-pr-5575.html

[obamanut2012]

41. I own this exact Walther .22

But in stainless, not in pink, never in pink. Why pink guns exist is rather disgusting to me.*** It is a very nice lttle plinker, and perfect for wearing when I run. I also own another a .9mm pistol and a .20 shotgun. I have a CCW permit. I see nothing wrong with educated, safe, and responsible gun ownership.

However, I find the fact that Komen pulled PP funding over "abortion providing" and $12 million from cancer research because of stem cells usage, yet are still partnered WITH GUNMAKERS, beyond hypocritical and extremely immoral. It is pinkwashing gone mad.

***Handguns are defensive weapons meant to protect you and to KILL someone else, and I despise the whole pink gun thing. Weapons shouldn't be made to look cute or look like toys. They are meant to kill, and it is our duty to never, ever forget that.

[Muskypundit]

45. Yes, exactly

There is nothing cute about a gun. They are meant to kill and cause harm.

[primavera]

62. Wow, for once I agree with a gun owner

That happens so rarely, how refreshing!

[obamanut2012]

64. Some of us are uber liberals!

[dballance]

46. A Pink Handgun? Seriously?

You have got to be kidding me. The "Hope" edition of a handgun. What are they hoping for? A few more gun deaths? A women's health charity that partners with a hand gun manufacturer because it puts a pink top on the gun? A gun. Really, a gun. Did someone forget that hand guns are really people killing weapons? They are not for hunting, they are for killing people.

[gejohnston]

48. Actually

people do hunt with them. Some are designed for that as well as target shooting. When I was a kid, I supplemented my mom's food stamps with small game I hunted with a revolver my oldest brother bought in a Hamburg (then West Germany) gun store.

Think a pink pistol is stupid, wait until you come across a lavender sub-machine gun.

[slackmaster]

65. People who make or sell guns aren't allowed to care about breast cancer

So it seems.

[gopiscrap]

50. This is disgusting

fuck this foundation...give directly to Planned Parenthood!

[lanlady]

55. A majority of female homicide victims each year are killed by guns

And of these, most are handguns.

But statistics be damned. A pink handgun is just sooooo precious.

[slackmaster]

60. Giving people more choices is inherently good

If they can raise more money by sponsoring a handgun, more power to them.

[closeupready]

69. So what. I have no problem with this at all.

It certainly doesn't serve their core mission, but they probably aren't the only NGO whose associations can be hard to understand, even bizarre.

I have a problem with the SGK foundation for the reasons that have been discussed here over the last few days. That's sufficient reason to mark them off my list, all by itself.

[BiggJawn]

70. And????

Oh, how silly of me! I forgot that RealLiberals(tm) are allergic to firearms...

I don't think Gun owners are any less interested in seeing an end to Cancer than the Birkenstock crowd.

[CreekDog]

71. selling a marked up handgun is about selling guns first

and giving a few crumbs to cancer.

it's an ad campaign that benefits the gun seller far more than the Komen foundation.

if you want to give to charity, give to charity. if you want to buy a gun, you aren't giving to charity, you're just buying something.

if it makes you feel generous, you're deluding yourself.

[BiggJawn]

84. We can say the same thing about the rest of the "pink" shit.

But I don't see any threads where people are upset about pink blenders and cell phones, do you?

[CreekDog]

90. yes, there have been plenty of threads that don't like Komen's marketing

this is not limited to guns.

if you ventured out of the gun threads, you might learn a little about what else is posted on DU.

but it's your loss.

anyway, sorry to interrupt your decadal train of thought about guns.

[obamanut2012]

81. I'm a RealLiberal who wears Birks and owns guns and has a CCW

And I think this is beyond hypocritical of them.

From your post, it seems people like me don't even exist in your worldview, and it's all black and white where gun owners are concerned.

Wow. Just wow.

[BiggJawn]

85. I'm one too.

No birkies, but I shoot, have an FFL and a CCW permit. I'll match my RealLiberal bona-fides against anyone else's and I'm an Atheist on top of that.

You exist in my worldview, it's other people around this place who don't think we exist.

I just don't see anything wrong with a pink gun. If Ford can have their "Pink Warrior" campaign to sell SUVs, what's wrong with a gun shop having Walthers dura-coated pink? Nothing, IMO.

[CreekDog]

91. you're so liberal that you characterize liberals as "the Birkenstock Crowd".

very convincing.

[BiggJawn]

92. Yes I do.

And that's when I'm in a GOOD mood...

[CreekDog]

76. It's really wonderful that so many in this thread who never posted about breast cancer are here

defending guns and gun promotions.

[obamanut2012]

82. lol

[BiggJawn]

86. There's many things I support that I don't post about.

So your point is?

[Doctor_J]

88. Go to the gungeon some time

It's a right-wing republican cheering section. Too bad they're here cheering more republicans. It's better they're left to their own little niche

[Paladin]

89. Exactly So.

The more obscure that niche, the better.

[Doctor_J]

87. That might explain the NFL's joining the cause

A large chunk of the players are gun nuts. Maybe next time Plaxico shoots himself in a night club, he can use a pink hand gun. If you look closely at most of these organizations, they are financed, and thus ruled by, far right people and organizations. This should be a surprise to no one. Give your money to PP, and skip the fascist middleman foundation.

[Badsam]

94. and in other news, Guantanamo Bay still open, Patriot act still in effect, banksters still stealing

our money and some people think everybody is perfect.

At least when society collapses, I'll know there are plenty of homes undefended.

See ya soon