Police: Man shoots father to death outside Ohio church after Easter services
Source: CBS/AP
April 1, 2013, 4:50 AM
Police: Man shoots father to death outside Ohio church after Easter services
ASHTABULA, Ohio Police in northeast Ohio are investigating a shooting outside a church that left one man dead after Easter services ended.
Authorities the early afternoon shooting occurred at the Hiawatha Church of God in Christ. A suspect was taken into custody.
CBS Cleveland affiliate WOIO-TV cites Ashtabula Police Chief Robert Stell as saying the victim was the alleged shooter's father.
Police say the suspect was outside the church, waiting for the victim to emerge.
One of the church's pastors told the station the gunman went inside and sat down after the shooting.
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57577208/police-man-shoots-father-to-death-outside-ohio-church-after-easter-services/
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It's frankly sickening to observe gun enthusiasts fight to the death to protect a perceived sacred right for everybody (which, by definition, includes crazy people, they being part of "everybody" to have guns, and then feign innocence and pretend that they had nothing to do with it when the crazy people use the guns that the gun enthusiasts gave them. If you arm Charles Manson, a portion of his victims' blood is on your hands too.
Of course there are impassioned voices on both sides of the gun debate, as there are on any debate, and especially so on a debate which involves people dying. To be sure, both sides share responsibility for the vehemence of that rhetoric; it's an emotional topic and it's hard to not get mad at times, again, particularly after you've just read the hundredth article in the newspapers about a bunch of innocent children getting shot at some school or whatever this week's lucky tragedy happens to be. That's only natural. But that doesn't mean that one has to succumb every time to raw emotion; the fact that some will never hear you no matter what you say doesn't preclude you from continuing to find common ground with those who will.
I disagree strongly with your claim that making the visible effort to find that elusive common ground makes no difference. Take slackmaster, for instance. He is unquestionably in the gun rights camp, yet I (and I'm sure others as well) always read his posts with the most careful attention and respect, because he has repeatedly demonstrated that he shares many of the same concerns about the high rates of gun mortalities in this country and supports taking steps to reduce those concerning rates. I still disagree with him frequently, but I nonetheless respect what he has to say and he's definitely influenced my views over time.
You feel that your views are dismissed because you are automatically branded a gun nut. Prove them wrong. Meet me halfway. Show me some indication that you do care about the murder of children and want to do something about it. When the positions you publicly champion are limited to defensive responses to attacks on private gun ownership, and do not include at least some proactive suggestions for compromise solutions, how is anyone to know that you aren't a "gun nut"?
And before you protest that it cuts both ways, absolutely, I offer the same advice to all participants in this discussion and, yes, I try to follow it myself as best as I can. You may not appreciate it because my "halfway" point is too far removed from your own. I am, admittedly, at heart, a radical anti-gun nut. Personally, I perceive no benefit whatsoever to any guns at all and, had I my way, we would be following the English system where the government does come to take away your guns and few even amongst the police are allowed to carry firearms. So, for me, it's actually a big step to allow that, okay, okay, okay, maybe it's not totally evil that some people enjoy hunting and should be allowed to have guns for that purpose, or perhaps shooting paper targets in a shooting range is relatively harmless (although I do wish that they'd shoot at bullseyes rather than paper outlines of human beings ), I may even be able to stretch my mind enough to accept that some people may have a bona fide need for guns for self defense. These acknowledgements are all efforts on my part. And, yeah, my starting position may be too distant from yours for my effort to find a middle ground to be terribly meaningful, in which case, you and I may fall into the X% of people too distantly removed in our core beliefs to be able to find any mutually acceptable compromise solution between us, and that would suck. But I imagine that most people are less anti-gun than myself and less pro-gun than yourself. Perhaps some of them may hear some of what we have to say and maybe they can find a halfway point that eludes you and I personally, yet includes at least portions of what concern us. The point is, even if we can't reach everyone, the effort to find a middle ground is still a worthwhile one and, in that effort, our credibility is enhanced when we can resist the temptation to respond with reactionary emotion and demonstrate our sympathy and receptiveness, such as it may be, to the priorities of the other side of the debate.
I never knew that. Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding. 
Six of one, half a dozen of the other... 
Was his dad that evil of a man? Just wondering.
