2 explosions at Boston marathon finish line
Source: AP
BOSTON (AP) Two explosions shattered the finish of the Boston Marathon on Monday, sending authorities out on the course to carry away the injured while stragglers in the 26.2-mile race were rerouted away from the smoking site.
Competitors and race volunteers were crying as they fled the chaos. Bloody spectators were being carried to the medical tent that had been set up to care for fatigued runners.
"There are a lot of people down," said one man, whose bib No. 17528 identified him as Frank Deruyter of North Carolina. He was not injured, but marathon workers were carrying one woman, who did not appear to be a runner, to the medical area as blood gushed from her leg. A Boston police officer was wheeled from the course with a leg injury that was bleeding.
Neither race officials nor public officials could immediately estimate the number or degree of injuries.
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/two-explosions-boston-marathon-finish-line-0
BREAKING NEWS: Multiple people injured near the Boston Marathon finish line after explosion
https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/323873662161797120
{Reuters} Boston Marathon locked down after two blasts heard near finish line #breaking
https://twitter.com/ReutersUS/status/323874655645609985
Boston Marathon headquarters locked down after blasts heard
(Reuters) - The hotel that serves as the headquarters for the Boston Marathon was locked down on Monday after a security incident near the finish line. Two blasts were heard by reporters in the media center.
A Boston Marathon spokesman told reporters that no one would be allowed in or out of the building.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/15/us-athletics-marathon-boston-blast-idUSBRE93E0ZF20130415
Live updates + NBC feed : http://live.reuters.com/Event/Boston_Marathon_Explosion
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)I was just on there checking the Sox and it went down.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Lasher
(27,636 posts)Seems to be running OK now.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Lasher
(27,636 posts)Maintenance normally occurs around 3 AM if memory serves, so that's probably not it.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Lasher
(27,636 posts)I'll leave it at that.
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Laurian
(2,593 posts)The crazy is everywhere. Although this could be some kind of accident, I find that lately I tend to suspect the worst.
gateley
(62,683 posts)Brian Williams said the same thing -- that we automatically assume it's intentional, but in fact we don't know yet.
Isn't it sad that pre-9/11, our first assumption would have been "gas main" or something like that.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I even had incredulity when I'd woken up early the morning of 9/11 and turned on the teevee to catch the weather. The first plane had hit one of the towers and I thought it was accidental like the one that plowed into the ESB decades before. I said to myself, 'What an idiot.'
Then I saw the next plane hit the other tower and then began mesmerizing coverage that went on for days. I've worked in high rises and watched as the emergency workers went in again and again and didn't get survivors. I kept holding out hope that they would. I could not even look at pictures of the WTC for some years afterward.
People expect the worst now...
gateley
(62,683 posts)at a hotel. Don't know if something went off or if they just discovered it. By this point, they may have retracted it for all I know.
But, this is part of the first "news" rush, so we don't know how accurate it is.
So after 9/11, is your first assumption "accident" or something more intentional?
I was the same, by the way, with OK -- it think it's because it's so difficult for us to wrap our head around what we're seeing. It's almost surreal.
On 9/11, I awoke to the news on the radio and called a friend of mine back East who was filling me in on my way to turn on the TV. Even then, even knowing, it was almost impossible to absorb what had happened.
Interesting times, interesting times.
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RebelOne
(30,947 posts)This is becoming scary. North Korea wanting to nuke us and now bombings in Boston.
catbyte
(34,447 posts)freaking depressing and/or terrifying.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)lots of trees very few people. that's where you will find some safe caves
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)I can say that - I grew up there
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Don't be bullied by these awful people. Don't let them have their way.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Hope everyone is ok.
Edit to add - 50 injured by two bombs.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)elleng
(131,102 posts)'people obviously injured.' 2 explosions heard
(MSNBC)
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)This is confusing. Is there no further information?
Warpy
(111,339 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2013, 04:36 PM - Edit history (1)
It looks like too much smoke for a gas line or even most bombs. It's consistent with and electrical source. At least I hope that's the case.
Whatever it is, it's a damned shame.
I never went to the finish line there. I always stayed along the last mile of the route, cheering on runners who were dead on their feet by the time and needed encouragement.
Funny, I'd never even heard of it until I moved there in the late 60s.
ETA: ugh, it was a bombing. My bet is that it's some right wing anti tax jackoff who was whipped into a frenzy by that asshole Howie Carr and other right wing radio hacks.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)speculation. They don't know anything they say but Blitzer is gossiping Patriots Day in Boston and Official Opening of Red Sox season.
The "teroristm expert" insinuating that "we don't know what it is" but we have to watch out if this will hit other cities.
CNN producer on ground said he didn't see any fire..just smoke and he couldn't tell what it was when he saw the first smoke explosion the second was less he said. He saw 6 or 7 people being treated.
There's nothing new so far except Blitzer and the Terrorism Expert (I think there are two of them on now) doing their CNN thing to whip up fear.
No one knows yet what it is so I guess they have to talk about something...but, given CNN's track record it's usually about terrorism or war...
Just the update I heard just now.
davepc
(3,936 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
Lasher
(27,636 posts)Two explosions at the finish line of the Boston Marathon have resulted in injuries.
There were two booms heard from near the finish line inside the Fairmount Copley Plaza Hotel.
Race officials locked down the hotel because of the report.
The sound of two booms, which sounded like thunder, had come a short time earlier.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/15/boston-marathon-explosion.html
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)and see what transpires. There's always so much confusion right after things happen that it's impossible to know the facts.
In a couple of hours, we'll know more, I'm sure.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)people were killed and injured. That's the story. We'll find out what happened shortly, once all of the speculations are over and actual facts emerge. I expect to see reports of several incorrect things for a while.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)As I said, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter, but that part seems so cruel. Many work for years to compete in these events, for some it's their way of overcoming other life challenges.
We are all human, we all feel hurt and pain, we are equal in our mortality.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)People were still finishing as the smoke dissipated and first responders swarmed in.
Not to say there aren't athletes in the spectators though. High probability some are.
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)I just don't know how close they are to the site.
And yes I did see a clip where a runner went down, and stayed down!
This is horrible, freshwest!
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Heads, it's religious crazies who wear turbans. Tails, it's religious crazies who don't.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)May also be a person who wants the focus off gun control news. A number of times I've read that response here on DU, that bombs kill people, not just guns.
Hoping it was none of the above. No matter who it was, they suck. Chances are they will only be able to find out who placed the bombs by use of the survelliance cameras everyone hates so much. They do come in handy at times.
People are jackasses. (No offense meant to donkeys and mules...)
TheMadMonk
(6,187 posts)Then there is the nature of the bombs. Bombs in the past have almost overwhealmingly been set to KILL as many people as possible.
These bombs were set to remove legs whilst leaving the victims alive.
BTW: It takes a pretty damned sophisticated device, to remove legs in job lots whilst killing just a few.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Jeez, what a mess. Thoughts with the victims.
That looks very bad indeed.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)information, and I won't speculate about anything. When there is news, I'll find out more.
Something happened. There were explosions and people were injured. That is all I know.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)apparently.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)though.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I only ask because the ones I've seen in real life or televised, have fuel to burn that way. I'm only thinking in those terms because that's what I'm familiar with. Without many technical details, I'd appreciate what anyone has to say.
I don't think it was accidental like those. We'll learn more and see what the response is. For those in Boston:
freshwest
(53,661 posts)It may be a few days before a full report on this comes out. In the meantime, Boston has its hands full taking care of the wounded and finding all the facts. No sleep tonight for many people helping there. RIP to those who didn't survive. From the sounds of the nature of the injuries, they may not all make it. Terrible injuries.
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Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Edit - Possibly a transformer explosion?
elleng
(131,102 posts)and, on 'good side,' emergency personnel already there to cover Marathon, so immediately available to help.
RILib
(862 posts)elleng
(131,102 posts)@nbcnightlynews
BREAKING: Small homemade bomb is preliminary cause of explosion at Boston Marathon, law enforcement officials tell NBC News
valerief
(53,235 posts)initial reports of explosions from *inside* building.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)Looks bad.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Copley Square / finish line. Fuck.
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Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)Response to Arcanetrance (Reply #23)
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Lasher
(27,636 posts)Edit: Now stricken from the record. That was fast.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)A ten-year member, but now his mission is over. Whatever it was, since I just stumbled upon this horrific event elsewhere and returned to LBN for the news. As usual, DU didn't disappoint on breaking news.
FWIW, what did said unknown poster say, if you don't mind telling me? It must have been bad to get so thoroughly nuked after a decade of membership. No details, just the gist of it.
TIA.
Lasher
(27,636 posts)and just before the purge. I think they had about 28 posts if memory serves. Skinner took out the trash as a malicious intruder. And now after the purge you're looking at a generic profile that has no relationship to the one before.
The troll said something about the CIA being behind this. Good riddance.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)Jan 1st, 1970, midnight GMT, to be precise - which was 7pm Dec 31st, EST. This may point to "no date for when banned", and "2003" means that too (I also show as "2003 before July 6th", so before that time, it's not recorded as a simple timestamp). Basically, they are a non-person - a troll who has been banned within 24 hours of joining, I think.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,361 posts)I'm not sure exactly who it's done for - the "joined within the last 24 hours" is my guess, since I think that was the time they had already been using for 'message auto-removed' to delete all the messages a troll had recently posted.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I almost never alert but he was on multiple threads disrupting with abusive language.
I still looked for notice of a jury result, but didn't get one.
So there may be more changes being put in place, IDK.
Behind the Aegis
(53,985 posts)After 24 hours, all alerts go to the administrators and no follow-up ever occurs. If a poster has under 100 posts and is PPR'd, all messages made in the previous 24 hour period by that person are automatically removed.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)So the one I alerted on was not within the 24-hour span, but it was the same thing, and won't hear anything.
I don't alert usually, but it looked a breitbarter loose on DU. I've seen some newbies posting inflammatory, offtopic stuff to provoke people, then going on to other threads.
So I research, especially if I see them dissing members, then I put them on Ignore if I see a pattern, rather than alert. I just thought that particular one was an over the top provocation.
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)It's a news story. More details will follow. Speculation and conspiracy crap can wait, thanks.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I see from the responses they blamed the CIA. Folks, not everything in the world is caused by the CIA!
nobodyspecial
(2,286 posts)Talk about WTF
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)are the new Cuban missile crisis exhibts ,and the fire in the JFK library reported shortly after the explosions.
http://www.wcvb.com/news/politics/JFK-Library-opens-exhibit-on-Cuban-missile-crisis/-/9848766/19745642/-/28c56t/-/index.html
pinto
(106,886 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Nonsense doesn't last long.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)with other reports saying the window of a sports shop blew outward.
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randome
(34,845 posts)A pair of explosions that caused damage and injuries Monday afternoon near the finish line of the Boston Marathon in Copley Plaza did not occur on the ground, an eyewitness told TPM.
"There were two big bombs," said Michael Smith. "Right up top in the window like in a building or something."
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)That looks like ground level.
Live slow motion footage now being broadcast confirms ground level.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The explosions were large and, to my eye, looked like they happened on the same side of the street. They were near the viewing stands.
Bomb sniffing dogs had previously cleared the area, and did random checks throughout the course of the race.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
davepc
(3,936 posts)I'm not going to link them. Looks like a horrific amount of damage.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)Competitors and race organizers were crying as they fled the chaos. Bloody spectators were being carried to the medical tent that had been set up to care for fatigued runners.
"There are a lot of people down," said one man, whose bib No. 17528 identified him as Frank Deruyter of North Carolina. He was not injured, but marathon workers were carrying one woman, who did not appear to be a runner, to the medical area as blood gushed from her leg. A Boston police officer was wheeled from the course with a leg injury that was bleeding.
About three hours after the winners crossed the line, there was a loud explosion on the north side of Boylston Street, just before the photo bridge that marks the finish line. Another thunderous explosion could be heard a few seconds later.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/2-explosions-at-Boston-marathon-finish-line-4435820.php#ixzz2QYtiH7Tb
Malik Agar
(102 posts)BadtotheboneBob
(413 posts)... and damn them, too.
Harry Monroe
(2,935 posts)Do you know something the rest of us don't? Until then, I suggest you quit speculating until the facts are in. We don't have a clue as to what caused this, let the social media and news media speculate away and rush to false reporting. It's what they're best at.
Let's wait to see what really happened.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)But kind of strange to happen at a freaking maraathon, where so many people are gathered in such small quarters. People are going to speculate.
24601
(3,962 posts)population as opposed to a smaller number of direct victims. Terrorism isn't motivation but intent.
It's either an accident (unlikely from what I see), a freak of nature (unlikely from what I see) or terrorism.
The who or why perhaps not known, but with near-simultaneous explosions within line of sight, the inference I draw is likely terrorism.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)This is awful, I know people that are there!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)If you are trying to find someone:
(617) 635 4500.
If you saw something:
1-800-494 TIPS
#BostonMarathon
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23bostonmarathon&src=hash
Yes, that appears to be the real Mia Farrow's tweet. Starting to think I'm missing a lot by not using the twitter service. So glad you heard from them, and hoping all our MA members will be in touch with their loved ones. And tears for the people of Boston and the world who participated in the event.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)If you're looking for someone call: 617-635-4500;
Also Google has set up a PeopleFinder: http://google.org/personfinder/2013-boston-explosions
#BostonMarathon
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,198 posts)Not even going to speculate on who might be behind it, until we know more. I already have my suspicions, but I'm not going to say anything.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)I saw people's legs blown off. Horrific. Two explosions. Runners were coming in and saw unspeakable horror.
My photog @JohnHammann and I are safe. But, we were very very close. Saw people on the ground with limbs missing. Awful.
https://twitter.com/JackieBrunoNECN
nobodyspecial
(2,286 posts)who are so committed to running and fitness.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)And there are two concussive explosions on that mile? And the pavement is not ruptured, signalling it is NOT a gas main explosion.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)I'm figuring it was a wing-nut.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)That is my best guess as well.
still_one
(92,394 posts)Leak or a terrorist, but they will know soon enough instead of wild ass speculation
Fearless
(18,421 posts)There are no ground ruptures. It was an above ground explosion.
still_one
(92,394 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts)Just sayin.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Nope.
McVeigh's #1 concern was gun rights.
There will be more McVeighs.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)in attendance at some time before the blast. Maybe I heard wrong as I'd just arrived home when I turned on the news. I hope this is an accidental disaster and not intentional.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)It's not looking good for accident.
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Deep13
(39,154 posts)I'm leaning toward the wing nut because he could not be at both blast cites at once, so they were probably both remotely triggered. I'm thinking only one man is the culprit because the bombs did not detonate at the same time, suggesting he set one off then the other. I'm thinking it was a man because men commit the vast majority of violent crimes.
I'm guessing this is an anti-abortion thing, and anti-gun control thing, or a general anti-Obama/liberals thing.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)We will all know more soon I'm sure
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,198 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)Let's wait for news. What happened won't change, but we'll have actual information.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)You don't know SHIT. Why not wait until there is a shred of evidence one way or the other?
Deep13
(39,154 posts)And I do not appeal to imaginary deities for favors.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You appear to be speculating as much as the poster you responded to.
I realize the convenience of holding others to a higher standard than we hold ourselves, but it it still bad form.
still_one
(92,394 posts)Anything, including international terrorism or domestic
steve2470
(37,457 posts)ThinkProgress @thinkprogress 3m
Fox News reports at least 3 fatalities in the Boston Marathon explosions http://thkpr.gs/117F9Iy
https://twitter.com/thinkprogress
eta: Yes I know Twitter reports can be complete BS. Hopefully it's not accurate. Please note this is a ThinkProgress tweet. "Not sure of accuracy" = my way of being polite.
Harry Monroe
(2,935 posts)And then you say "Fox News reports"? I would sit tight until all the facts are in. Everything until then especially from Twitter or Fox News is pure speculation.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)It could be total BS....I was polite and said "not sure".
Next time I'll say OMFG THIS IS TOTAL BS.
eta:
RT America @RT_America 2m
Unconfirmed reports of 3 dead after Boston Marathon explosions. http://on.rt.com/j4b8fb
https://twitter.com/RT_America
This is from RT America, which ALSO tends to lean left, just like Think Progress.
Harry Monroe
(2,935 posts)Just thinking that with instant social media comes instant gratification to be the first to spread the news. It doesn't mean that that news is necessarily correct, especially when one Tweets his speculation on what "may" have happened. I think Twitter will spell the death of responsible "fact based" reporting, and will eventually be a poor substitute to gathering up enough evidence for solid, credible stories.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)brooklynite
(94,727 posts)geomon666
(7,512 posts)I don't want another war and I don't want another fucking martyr for domestic terrorists.
Helen Reddy
(998 posts)windowpilot
(115 posts)a real threat...
dminaz
(9 posts)I've never been to the Boston marathon and I've never seen where it is held. Can someone tell me why so many people were still there 3 hours after the runners crossed the finish line?
librechik
(30,676 posts)people finish all day long, as they are able.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2013, 04:50 PM - Edit history (1)
With a 26 mile race people come finish over hours.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)But yes, there is a window of several hours for runners to complete this event.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)The first place finisher would be several hours before the last. The majority of people would be far behind the first place finishers.
Lasher
(27,636 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Humor as a defense mechanism later. Still blood all over the ground.
FreeState
(10,580 posts)the winner had crossed but it takes hours after that before the last races cross the finish line. You have to qualify to run the Boston (there are speed minimums you have to meet for your age group etc). However, there are those that are given permission to race that are not qualified via the process a normal runner has to go though (physically disabled veterans etc are running this year).
Thanks for the info. Some of the news I've been seeing made it sound like all the runners had crossed the finished line and this happened 3 hours later. I didn't realize the marathon lasted that long.
My thoughts go out to those who are in that terrible nightmare right now.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this was just a horrible, random, accident.
FreeState
(10,580 posts)In a race this large people both start the race and end the race at staggered times. The top qualifiers start first, thats how the winner was known already.
It's a fascinating sport. My heart goes out to all the runners as well. All that training and excitement to be met with this. It's really unfortunate, regardless of the cause.
Helen Reddy
(998 posts)My sister runs this race every year.
My prayers to all who are injured and traumatized by this event.
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ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)No link sorry.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)mathematic
(1,439 posts)Race started in 3 waves: 10:00, 10:20, 10:40. Timing starts when the individual crosses the start line.
Most of the runners had finished but there were still thousands finishing.
Since you need to qualify for Boston with a fast time, the average is faster than most marathons. Most big marathons the average finish is more like 4hrs 30min... about exactly when the bombs happened.
IF this was terrorism, it might have been timed to go off when most runners were finishing.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)So maybe something to do with it.
What a fucking fuct up thing!! :'(
Fearless
(18,421 posts)bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts).
freshwest
(53,661 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,993 posts)BanTheGOP
(1,068 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)BanTheGOP
(1,068 posts)First, let's be clear. The victims are the primary victims here, and should be in our hearts and our thoughts.
When the fallout occurs: If this was caused by terrorists, then the legacy of the Iraq war and Bush's war on terror and his New World Order were the instigators of the attack.
If this was caused domestically, then it is because of the economic conditions that have permeated this country due to the GOP policies that make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
Cut it any way you like, no matter what happens: The GOP is 100% responsible for this attack. Every victim, every person who is witnessing this horror should never forget that very salient point.
It may seem insensitive to be bringing this up now, but this is extremely important and must be brought to light.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Did the gun culture in the US aid it? Yes. Did the media reporting and "glorification" of these events help? Yes. There are a lot of causes, direct and indirect. George Bush and Dick Cheney are awful, tyrannical people, but have little to do with this event.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I want to know tomorrow's lottery numbers.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)This isn't one of them.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)I guess everything bad in the world can be blamed on Bush.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)totodeinhere
(13,059 posts)We just don't know who did it or why. As far as the legacy of the Iraq war and Bush's war on terror goes, terrorism was alive and well in this world long before either of those events happened. And if it is domestic it could have been caused by any number of things and not necessarily economic conditions. Or it could have been an apolitical nut. We just don't know at this point.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)No, just extremely ignorant and childish.
JI7
(89,264 posts)but it looks like it might have showed up under a different name though similar to the previous one.
BanTheGOP
(1,068 posts)I've been here several years. I've been completely consistent in all my posts, unlike many other yahoos here. What is "trollish" about espousing views we all hold, and expounding on them?
It IS a fact that no matter how the bombing investigation goes, the very foundation of the bombings can be traced to the existence of the GOP in the United States. Whether it's by a Rush Limbaugh-loving right wing lunatic like McVeigh, or an oppressed dissident from a middle-eastern country, the roots are based upon hatred that conservative and oppressive politics unleashes.
Troll THAT.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Little early to lay blame don't you think?
Codeine
(25,586 posts)How some people haven't figured out that you're a a complete and total troll is just goddamned beyond me.
drm604
(16,230 posts)Right wing terrorists? I'm hoping that this was a gas line or something but the place and time is troubling.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)I'm just trying not to jump to conclusions.
MADem
(135,425 posts)There will be film of the perpetrators. There are cameras all over the damn place today.
Looks like a dump and run exercise.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)And yeah, there are tons of cameras. They will find out what happened. Already starting to look now no doubt.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It is not a gas line--reports are saying it is "devices" that were concealed in garbage cans.
That's preliminary from local (Boston) CBS news.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Reminds me if one sees something suspicious, damn right you should report it, anywhere, anyplace
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)@maddow: Vine short loop video of moment of explosion at Boston Marathon: https://t.co/pVfv6RWu3T
polly7
(20,582 posts)edit: I was wrong ..... this elderly man didn't lose his leg, thank goodness. I just saw him give an interview. He finished the race and walked 6 blocks back to the hotel and his wife.
davepc
(3,936 posts)"I was there at the finish, shooting finish line scenes, and then bang, it just went off, and then less than 15 to 20 seconds after there was a second explosion, closer to Fairfield street," Silva said.
"It was just immediately [evident] there were injuries, right in the middle of the spectator crowds. There was blood everywhere, there were victims being carried out on stretchers. I saw someone lose their leg, people are crying, people are confused."
"It was just an explosion, it came out of nowhere. There are multiple injuries. I saw dismemberment, I saw blood everywhere. People are badly injured."
http://live.boston.com/Event/Live_blog_Explosion_in_Copley_Square/72908537?ss=1
pinto
(106,886 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)At least three people were killed in the explosions that erupted Monday near the finish line of the Boston Marathon, Fox News reported.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)Situation very confused but cbs producer just reported live a possible 3rd explosion.
http://www.ustream.tv/cbsnews
Dash87
(3,220 posts)Or something. Not necessarily a bomb.
Jersey Devil
(9,874 posts)and it sounds like there may have been multiple detonations by cops of suspected packages
blackspade
(10,056 posts)It looks pretty bad.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)per the boston.com blog, it was an electrical fire confined to one area, not from an explosive device.
davepc
(3,936 posts)Sorry no link.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)Boston.com News Boston.com News @BostonDotCom
BREAKING NEWS: Police will have controlled explosion on 600 block on Boylston Street
Fearless
(18,421 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)UPDATE: Reports of at least 12 dead, dozens more injured in Boston Marathon explosions
deutsey
(20,166 posts)I hope they're wrong.
Mopar151
(9,996 posts)Boston has had problems with both.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)It's looking like not that.
gateley
(62,683 posts)Didn't catch if it exploded or if they just found it. Of course, this is part of the initial "reporting" where we can't be sure of accuracy.
Pre-9/11, gas or transformer would have been our initial reaction. OBL won -- we're constantly scared now.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)gaspee
(3,231 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)http://www.courant.com/news/breaking/sns-explosions-reported-at-boston-marathon-site,0,4063660.story
http://news.providencejournal.com/breaking-news/2013/04/two-explosions-at-boston-marathon-finish-line.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/two_explosions_at_boston_marathon_iMR0LCkcwASg0RQfVsH1yI
Dash87
(3,220 posts)The media tends to stack them in an ongoing disaster. Hopefully it's only 3 as reported before.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,198 posts)No joke.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)However, the South Tower was partially evacuated after the north tower was hit, and the North Tower was hit much higher up, meaning fewer people trapped above the fire.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)My parents and sister are heading into Boston right now. I'm sick to my stomach.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)We must all act like rational adults and ensure that our politicians do too. There are those who take advantages of these situations to their own ends.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Could be domestic, could be foreign.
I suppose there's even some faint chance it could be Little Kim. They have a big marathon on April 15th to celebrate the founder of the Kim dynasty, whose reign and lineage have brought such peaceful joy and prosperity to NK.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)They'll figure it out eventually, but it really could be almost any group.
They're talking four separate devices, so this seems like more than one person.
I'm beginning to suspect that in the US people are beginning to use the word "terrorism" to mean "foreign", but domestic terrorists exist.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)whether it was committed by an organization, or an individual acting alone. Whether the terrorist was domestic or foreign. Any way you look at this, unless it was an accident (which is doubtful), it was an act of terrorism.
subject
(118 posts)with the bombings across Iraq?
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)From Boston.com
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)@CBSNews: UPDATE: BOSTON POLICE confirm 22 wounded and 2 dead // MORE LIVE @CBSNEWS COVERAGE: http://t.co/43l5jNEvIz
BumRushDaShow
(129,440 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)4:12 PMNBC Nightly News @nbcnightlynews
BREAKING: Small homemade bomb is preliminary cause of explosion at Boston Marathon, law enforcement officials tell NBC News
Kali
(55,019 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Here's a live feed from the local station.
http://livewire.wcvb.com/Event/117th_Running_of_Boston_Marathon
To watch MSNBC one would think they were still loading people on ambulances.
mike dub
(541 posts)Very true. I ran Boston once, and the finish line area is packed with families cheering the runners and their loved ones who're running, weakened--almost disoriented runners, families being Reunited with their loved ones who ran the race, etc etc. Terrorism (if this indeed is/sounds like it) is Always cowardly. But bombing a marathon finish line is reeeeally beyond cowardly.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)There is an initial explosion. And the first reaction of people on the street is to run toward it to help in spite of potential dangers.
Don't forget there are good people out there.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)uppityperson
(115,679 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Just posting the link to the picture. It's not pretty.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The suspicion is that this is a "home grown" effort. One "suspected device" was under the grandstand.
With all the media in the area, it is highly likely this perpetrator will be caught.
There are 19 people at Mass General, six are in critical condition. There are others at other area hospitals as well. Brigham/Women's has taken in a lot of patients and now they are on lockdown, not letting any visitors in.
Robb
(39,665 posts)If they've found two unexploded, I'd consider it a very good sign.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Again, just a rumor--completely unverified.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The hope is to spot the perp in the area planting a device so ANY time prior to the explosions is of value to the investigation.
I heard someone on the local feed I posted above say it was a trash can that exploded so anyone seen throwing something away could be involved.
These explosions were SMALL. We are talking grenade size.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Fireball is a good 20 feet across.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Multiple devices does not mean it was a crew as the devices are small enough for one person to carry several at a time.
There's a press conference right now.
There has been another blast at the JFK Library.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I guess the technical term for this beastie appears to be 'satchel charge'.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,600 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 16, 2013, 08:43 AM - Edit history (1)
{Radio Reference} browser feed not working; iTunes feed working well for me. At least one
unexploded device found so far
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Ed {deleted} wrote:
> At least 2 along Boylston st. Many injured. All available eod units
> called. Checking trash cans for devices. RadioReference swamped but getting
> good connection to BPD using Radio 5-0 iPhone app.
>
> Ed
Radio Reference is http://www.radioreference.com
I can add that I am sad for all involved.
Paul E Ester
(952 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)If you've ever been there for the marathon, you know how chaotic it is afterward even with mass transit. If you're in the area, and have means, give people a ride if you can.
Help each other out.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Sucks bigtime of course, for the entire city, but makes total sense.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I tried to respond to "Fearless" but for some reason I could not.
Kept getting a 'bad' page.
The Green Line subway between Kenmore and Park is shut down. The whole subway system isn't shut down, though. That's per WBZ here in Boston.
I also haven't heard a word about cancellation of MBTA buses--so that's a way to get around the city.
They are busing people to the Common via schoolbus to clear the area.
Cellphone service has been shut down, per WBZ, as well--they fear cellphones are being used to detonate devices. This could be an issue if anyone is trying to contact a loved one.
Fgiriun
(169 posts)should rot in prison.
davepc
(3,936 posts)CBS News says police have surveillance video of someone bringing multiple backpacks into area 20 minutes or so before explosions.
magic59
(429 posts)Officials saying probably homemade devices, crude, something a t-bagger type group would use. Doesn't sound like al qaeda.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Flights have been halted into Boston Logan airport. "Traffic destined to this airport is being delayed at its departure point," the FAA has advised
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/15/boston-marathon-explosion-live
davepc
(3,936 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)Response to davepc (Reply #237)
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cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Keep going dude, your posts are quite informative.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)auburngrad82
(5,029 posts)The driver is claiming to have O.R. supplies. There's also a tweet of security videos showing a man dropping backpacks along the walk before the explosions.
If any of this is true it may not be long before they have a suspect in custody.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Police are asking everyone in Boston to stay home; if you do go out, do not travel in large groups.
by Teresa Hanafin, Boston.com 5:05 PM
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)JudyM
(29,274 posts)bballguy7013
(5 posts)If anyone is from the area be safe, they are reporting bombs being found in hotels across boston. Everyone be safe
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)I haven't seen/heard anything about that...
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jimlup
(7,968 posts)I want to mourn the loss of innocence in my sport. What a sad and terrible day in Boston.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It still could be some crazy outlier that caused all this mess. We just don't know if the ire is "international" or a major domestic issue...or some local person aggrieved for some particular and parochial reason.
There will be increased security precautions in future, I am sure--probably along the lines of "Times Square New Year's Eve" for people who want to see the start and finish of the race.
This is the world we live in.
There is a rumor that the bomber was injured, and is at Brigham/Women's. That's totally unsourced but it's going around. There is also a rumor that a 'Person of Interest' is being questioned. That, too, is unsourced and denied by officials at the scene.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)But I have to say that as runners we are upset that it was our sport that was hit. Just frustrating as hell and yes, I have a feeling all races nation and world wide will now increase security.
Hopefully the Biking community will also take appropriate precautions as their events are very similar to ours in road access and openness. Seems like a crime of opportunity as you think of it.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)BREAKING: President @BarackObama to speak on Boston Marathon explosions at 6:10pm ET
https://twitter.com/BloombergTV/status/323915606300712961
Eljo_Don
(100 posts)Hope the authorities catch the bastadrs.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)FAA orders no-fly zone over Boston explosion site: http://apne.ws/11iBZEl -CC
https://twitter.com/AP
drm604
(16,230 posts)It could be completely unrelated.
Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)just some unlucky guy.
Tensions are high, obviously.
LeftishBrit
(41,210 posts)YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)My cousin heard the explosions and my friend's girlfriend was actually at the marathon, but not near the finish line. Both are safe.
What a horrible day for Boston-and for all of us.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)RILib
(862 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 15, 2013, 07:38 PM - Edit history (1)
I'm told this is incorrect:
Cell signals in Boston have been disabled to prevent detonations by phones. If you need to find a loved one, use Google's People Finder: http://google.org/personfinder/2013-boston-explosions/
steve2470
(37,457 posts)NYT reporting 5 bombs - 2 exploded at finish line, 3 found unexploded elsewhere. Plus 6th incident at JFK library:
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/323932570779803648
adigal
(7,581 posts)The guy panned over someone's remains in blood. Quickly, thank goodness. Poor, poor people.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)LOS ANGELES (AP) Police in Los Angeles, New York City, London, Washington and other cities worldwide stepped up security Monday following explosions at the Boston Marathon.
In Los Angeles, the Sheriff's Department activated its emergency operations center and increased patrols at transit hubs, schools and county buildings, while in New York, critical response teams were deployed citywide and officials stepped up security at hotels and other prominent locations.
California emergency management officials activated their statewide threat assessment system, which was established after the Sept. 11, 2001, World Trade Center attacks. And officials in multiple cities and counties throughout the state were reviewing information from federal authorities for possible threats.
Meanwhile, police in Washington, San Diego, Las Vegas, Detroit and Atlanta were monitoring events closely and assessing potential increases in security measures.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Doctors are "pulling ball-bearings out of people' in the ER, suggesting #bombs were designed to propel shrapnel. http://on.cnn.com/139ikHp
https://twitter.com/cnnbrk
Rochambeau Sr.
(1 post)I send you a thought deeply moved, all my sadness and condolences from Paris. Me and family think very strong of those who are suffering right now.
Nous sommes tristes et choqués ce soir. Nous sommes de tout coeur avec vous.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)uppityperson
(115,679 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)William769
(55,147 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,993 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)It brought to mind the terrible events of 9/11/01. No one in my area will ever forget that morning.
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They are now saying 3 dead and 114 wounded, some very seriously--ten amputations at least. USN EOD is supporting the operation.
I have family not far from there--I used to live in that vicinity years ago, myself, know it well. It's such a shame. I hope they find who did it and punish them robustly.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Rough night for so many people in Boston. Governor Deval says that Tuesday will not be business as usual as the state mobilizes to find them and take care of everyone. As Obama said, they will find who did this and why. Take care.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)The chair of the House Homeland Security Committee told CNN Monday evening that officials have a person of interest in custody in connection with the explosions at the Boston Marathon.
"A person of interest is in custody and is being asked questions," Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) told the network. "That doesn't mean necessarily that this is the person who did it."
Asked if there was any further information he could provide, McCaul said it "would be irresponsible for me to do so at this point in time."
*end of excerpt*
http://homeland.house.gov/
http://homeland.house.gov/about/chair
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Mass State Police Confirm Search Warrant Related to Bombings Served in Revere. No Other Details Released.
http://wp.me/p2OIY8-fk8
https://twitter.com/KTLA
MADem
(135,425 posts)They were there from five PM to 2 AM, and the search is connected to a "person of interest."
More and more film is coming out--they WILL get this shithead, I'm sure of it.
DiverDave
(4,887 posts)end up being the case.
Maybe it was 1, but somehow, I think that
others had some knowledge.
IT will all be found out, I'm sure of that.
And I really do hope "the full weight" lands on
their sorry asses.
MADem
(135,425 posts)who is in the hospital, who is living at that apartment.
So yes, perhaps it is more than one, but time will tell. The police are on this, and they have lots of help, which is a good thing.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Foreign-accented guy trying to get into restricted area with a backpack should have been detained, told to hand over backpack for a search.
I know, I know, civil liberties and all but the minute you have people packed into an event, the security should be tight.
Going to the O inauguration twice, you could not get into the secure area without having your bags and backpacks searched. People with passes had fast-track security check areas and those without passes could only access one or two streets to go through security. The wait was ridiculous at those streets but that's the way it was and it worked, security-wise.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)*snip*
WBZ-TV reported late Monday that law enforcement officers were searching an apartment in the Boston suburb of Revere. Massachusetts State Police confirmed that a search warrant related to the investigation into the explosions was served Monday night in Revere but provided no further details.
*snip*
rest of article is rehash of older news.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 16, 2013, 03:53 AM - Edit history (1)
Pakistan Taliban TTP, who trained the Time Square bomber Faisal Shahzad bomber deny involvement in #BostonMarathon blasts.
https://twitter.com/NicRobertsonCNN
eta:
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2013/04/16/World-leaders-react-to-Boston-Marathon-explosions-.html
*snip*
The Pakistani Taliban, which claimed the 2010 Times Square bomb plot, on Tuesday denied anything to do with explosions that killed three people and wounded more than 100 in Boston.
"We believe in attacking U.S. and its allies but we are not involved in this attack," Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan told AFP.
"We have no connection to this bombing but we will continue to target them wherever possible," Ehsan added.
*snip*
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Last Update: Tuesday, 16 April 2013 KSA 10:41 - GMT 07:41
Two Saudi nationals were injured by Monday's twin blasts in Boston and are currently being hospitalized at the citys Brigham and Women's Hospital.
One of the injured is a 20-year-old man whose name has not been disclosed, while the other is a female exchange student called Doctor Norah al-Ajaji.
Ajaji's friend told Al Arabiya that the victims leg was severely injured and doctors almost amputated it. She added however that a surgical procedure succeeded in saving her leg.
Ajaji is in her late twenties and she studies at Taft University. She lives in the U.S. with her husband and child.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)PARIS (AFP) - French President Francois Hollande on Tuesday voiced "France's complete solidarity with the American authorities and people" following deadly blasts at the Boston Marathon.
In a statement, the head of state expressed "his very strong feelings following the explosions that hit the the city of Boston" and left three dead and more than 100 injured.
"In tragic circumstances, the head of state offers his condolences to the families of the victims and expresses France's complete solidarity with the American authorities and people," the statement from the Elysee said.
In another statement, the French foreign ministry said "in these difficult moments, our thoughts are with the families of the victims and injured," according to a spokesman for the Quai d'Orsay.
GlobalPolicy.TV
(1 post)In this time, it is important that we cherish the lives of our fellow Americans. Also, we must acknowledge the hard work of police, firefighters, and EMS in response to the tragic events that took place yesterday. We extend our deepest regrets to the families of the victims and the city of Boston.
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