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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:24 PM May 2013

State (of California): Fining PG&E 'does not make sense'

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

Pacific Gas and Electric Co. shareholders should pay $2.25 billion to fix the company's gas pipelines in the wake of the 2010 explosion in San Bruno, but fining the utility for the dozens of regulatory violations it allegedly committed over decades "does not make sense," a state regulatory agency said Monday.

"I am recommending the highest penalty possible against PG&E without compromising safety, and I want every penny of it to go toward making PG&E's system safer," said Jack Hagan, head of the consumer protection and safety division of the California Public Utilities Commission.

He said the $2.25 billion - a sum an independent consultant told regulators that PG&E could safely absorb and remain viable - should come from company shareholders, not its customers.

... In contrast, San Bruno officials asked Monday that PG&E be fined $1.25 billion on top of $1 billion to improve its system. Mayor Jim Ruane said such a fine would show that the utilities commission can be a "tough regulator" and hold PG&E accountable for "gross mismanagement."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/State-Fining-PG-amp-E-does-not-make-sense-4492767.php

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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Correct. It doesn't make sense. The utility should spend ALL such funds for system improvements.
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:26 PM
May 2013

Not fines.

Fines punish nobody but the ratepayers.

If there was criminal negligence, then prove it and fine responsible individuals.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. That cannot be done.
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:42 PM
May 2013

Unless you want to create a whole shitstorm of work for lawyers and agencies like CARB, CPUC, and others.

Plus, it's stupid. It could end in bankruptcy and problems for customers, probably higher rates and worse service, and nothing will have been made better.

Nope.

Identify a fine, if you like, but rather than collect it to spend on whatever, make it go toward fixing the problems.

That is the obviously better way to go about this.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
9. No. It's a Gordion Knot of regulatory and bureaucratic entanglement.
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:53 PM
May 2013

Quite different from the too-big-to-fail meme.

Why NOT just force them to fix the shit?

Why do you want the utility investors to suffer while nothing gets done????

FIX IT.

Problem solved.

If there was negligence, identify the individuals. Same with big banks, punish the people who are to blame.

cstanleytech

(26,306 posts)
10. How about a compromise then? Fine them still
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:05 PM
May 2013

but require that it come from the profits and until its paid off no raises will be granted to any executives nor will the shareholders be granted any dividends payments until its paid?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
12. It will still hurt a lot of retirees and families
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:19 PM
May 2013

A lot of people invest in utilities because they are safer and pay dividends.

cstanleytech

(26,306 posts)
13. I doubt it will impact many if any.
Mon May 6, 2013, 07:26 PM
May 2013

Few after all are foolish enough to rely solely on the earnings from a single stock in their retirement and if they do then they are doubly foolish because if the company they relied on went bankrupt their retirement would be totally gone.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
16. Jail for CEO, BoD, etc in lieu of fine would be OK.
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:45 PM
May 2013

Jail time for corporate criminals will straighten their asses up real quick.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. Doesn't the CPUC rule on rate requests by utilities like PG&E?
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:32 PM
May 2013

So it seems to me that they have control over where the money comes from to pay the fines. All they have to do is fine the living shit out of them and then simply deny any rate increases that PG&E asks for.

This is just political double talk by regulators who really don't want to regulate. Maybe it's time for some major housecleaning on the commission.

freethought

(2,457 posts)
3. Let's talk about a simple reality.
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:34 PM
May 2013

Often times if you want to keep a corporation's behavior in check the threat of some kind draconian surrender of assets is the only thing that keeps them in line. Sometimes the threat of a massive fine or being caught up in some kind of expensive legal situation is the only deterent.

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
5. Rather than fining the utility
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:36 PM
May 2013

how about arresting and convicting the people involved, say, everyone at director level and above.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. +100.
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:49 PM
May 2013

This shit happens because the corporate criminals get to walk away with a golden parachute, and get hired by another company. Start jailing their asses, take away their bonuses and golden parachutes...they'll get the message we mean business.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. Get the job done, make them fix the mess. The shareholders made money off of mismanagement, even if
Mon May 6, 2013, 06:40 PM
May 2013
they claim that they weren't informed.

This is why I want all utilities in the public realm for the public good. We can't afford all these middle men obscuring the big picture.

The rate payers should be the owners of the utility, they are paying for everything in the long run. This is how my city is.

I applaud the decision to not make rate payers pay for this, as they did their part and didn't profit by mismanagement, nor did they advocate for cutting corners and harming the public.

If it will not be made a public utility with rate payer oversight, those who profited should pay the price. Good move on the part of the commission.

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