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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Tue May 14, 2013, 06:48 PM May 2013

No Benefit in Sharply Restricting Salt, Panel Finds

Source: New York Times

In a report that undercuts years of public health warnings, a prestigious group convened by the government says there is no good reason based on health outcomes for many Americans to drive their sodium consumption down to the very low levels recommended in national dietary guidelines.

Those levels, 1,500 milligrams of sodium a day, or a little more than half a teaspoon of salt, were supposed to prevent heart attacks and strokes in people at risk, including anyone older than 50, blacks and people with high blood pressure, diabetes or chronic kidney disease — a group that makes up more than half of the American population.

.....

But the new expert committee, commissioned by the Institute of Medicine at the behest of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said there was no rationale for anyone to aim for sodium levels below 2,300 milligrams a day. The group examined new evidence that had emerged since the last such report was issued, in 2005.

“As you go below the 2,300 mark, there is an absence of data in terms of benefit and there begin to be suggestions in subgroup populations about potential harms,” said Dr. Brian L. Strom, chairman of the committee and a professor of public health at the University of Pennsylvania. He explained that the possible harms included increased rates of heart attacks and an increased risk of death.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/health/panel-finds-no-benefit-in-sharply-restricting-sodium.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0



Excellent news. I find many low-salt foods quite unappetizing (low-salt soup, in particular, I find to be almost inedible).
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No Benefit in Sharply Restricting Salt, Panel Finds (Original Post) Nye Bevan May 2013 OP
I avoid anything "low-salt" or "low-sodium." Archae May 2013 #1
I was told to eat more salt. Wait Wut May 2013 #2
Wow. Union Scribe May 2013 #3
I have been eating to s of sAlt all my life. I turned 67 today upaloopa May 2013 #4
carbs kill...nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #5
It's official! Everything is both good and bad for you. Screw it, I'm eating whatever I want. tridim May 2013 #6
I have loved baked potatoes all my life. aaaaaa5a May 2013 #7
Potatoes are also an aphrodisiac, AnotherMcIntosh May 2013 #12
High carbohydrate, high glycemic index. I love them, too, but cut back. SharonAnn May 2013 #39
They'll have to pry my salt from my cold, dead, perfectly well-seasoned hands. n/t Akoto May 2013 #8
That will be difficult. They should be well-preserved. (NT) Heywood J May 2013 #26
Yep davidthegnome May 2013 #9
I never knew 1500mg is just a half teaspoon.. sir pball May 2013 #10
"On a busy night, I'll use almost two pounds" BlueJazz May 2013 #13
We serve 3-400 on a busy night sir pball May 2013 #16
Oh..sorry..I was thinking of a much smaller crowd. BlueJazz May 2013 #17
They can never make up their minds. Rozlee May 2013 #11
I do believe doctors or whomever either short or invest in those things angstlessk May 2013 #14
*shrug* Everything in moderation. AtheistCrusader May 2013 #15
I was a heavy user of salt throughout my whole life, RebelOne May 2013 #18
Of course not, that might make folks rethink buying frozen/boxed shit to eat. flvegan May 2013 #19
I simply don't believe it... SoapBox May 2013 #20
Are you describing MSG? (NT) Heywood J May 2013 #27
The study was funded by Morton wasn't it? Kablooie May 2013 #21
yeah, all those fascists at: the Institute of Medicine at the behest of the Centers for Disease Con Kolesar May 2013 #24
Canned low-salt soup is vile Scootaloo May 2013 #22
I always thought the cardio-health implications of salt were b/s Kolesar May 2013 #23
There are so many vested interests in food . . . caseymoz May 2013 #25
I wonder if the study was funded, in part, by the salt and fast food industries...... Swede Atlanta May 2013 #28
It wouldn't surprise me these days. marmar May 2013 #29
I'm so happy! I love salty stuff! sinkingfeeling May 2013 #30
So Bloomberg's jihad against salt was pretty pointless... Imajika May 2013 #31
No, I don't think efforts to get Americans to reduce salt in their diets is pointless.... Swede Atlanta May 2013 #33
Times up mattnapa May 2013 #32
4.7 years PADemD May 2013 #36
It's NOT saying, 'Eat lots of salt'! tblue May 2013 #34
Nope. Everything in moderation. Nye Bevan May 2013 #35
Eating and drinking in moderation marlakay May 2013 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2013 #38

Archae

(46,344 posts)
1. I avoid anything "low-salt" or "low-sodium."
Tue May 14, 2013, 06:53 PM
May 2013

Almost always it's more expensive and a lot less flavor.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
2. I was told to eat more salt.
Tue May 14, 2013, 06:54 PM
May 2013

I have extreme hypotension. But, my father had high blood pressure and used that 'fake' salt for years. It didn't do a damn bit of good. The entire family was forced to eat 'low salt' everything available.

On the flip side, eating more salt doesn't seem to raise my blood pressure, either. Actually dealing with some crappy effects the past couple of weeks.

Thanks for the article. Though it's aimed at those with hypertension it's actually informative for those of us on the other side of the coin.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
3. Wow.
Tue May 14, 2013, 06:57 PM
May 2013

Totally agreed about the taste factor.

I'll probably still keep my salt intake down, as sodium is supposed to aggravate autoimmune disorders (but who knows now, maybe they'll find that isn't true either).

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
4. I have been eating to s of sAlt all my life. I turned 67 today
Tue May 14, 2013, 06:59 PM
May 2013

and have good blood preasure and cholester levels and no major disease.
I also don't drink or smoke or est meat.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
6. It's official! Everything is both good and bad for you. Screw it, I'm eating whatever I want.
Tue May 14, 2013, 07:10 PM
May 2013

Salt is one of those things I never worried about, I don't OD on it, but I don't skimp either. It's essential for flavor.

Drinking water is key.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
7. I have loved baked potatoes all my life.
Tue May 14, 2013, 07:21 PM
May 2013

I can eat them without any bad toppings. To this day I don't know if its good or bad for me. In the early 2000s eating a baked potato was like eating death itself. Now I have heard that potatoes are an excellent brain food, provide great energy, have more vitamin C than oranges and have no fat.




I give up!


davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
9. Yep
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:34 PM
May 2013

Low-salt, or reduced salt soups are (IMO) disgusting. Or, unsalted, or low salt peanuts... I mean, who the heck wants to eat peanuts without salt?

I can't say I'm terribly surprised by all of this. What is good for us today will be bad for us tomorrow - and the reverse is probably true as well. I think a lot of the things we're told not to eat are okay in moderation. Of course, perhaps I'm wrong, maybe I just like the occasional cheese burger or steak too much to care. Hmm.

sir pball

(4,758 posts)
10. I never knew 1500mg is just a half teaspoon..
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:46 PM
May 2013

I put more than that in a single serving of mashed potatoes. On a busy night, I'll use almost two pounds...I guess don't eat out, anywhere, if you're watching it.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
11. They can never make up their minds.
Tue May 14, 2013, 08:48 PM
May 2013

I tend to consider that anything that's not a GMO and that doesn't give me botulism isn't too bad. I'll stick with that for now.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
14. I do believe doctors or whomever either short or invest in those things
Tue May 14, 2013, 09:28 PM
May 2013

they declare are either good for us or bad...they make money either way

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
18. I was a heavy user of salt throughout my whole life,
Tue May 14, 2013, 10:25 PM
May 2013

but after learning that I had high blood pressure when I was in my late 50s, I cut back on the salt. I only use Morton's low sodium salt now.

flvegan

(64,413 posts)
19. Of course not, that might make folks rethink buying frozen/boxed shit to eat.
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:25 PM
May 2013

Come on, shovel that processed crap down. That goes for my very own vegan crowd. Those Boca/Morningstar/Gardein frozen convenience items? Yeah, lots and lots of salt. Same goes for the non-veg*n crap down the aisle.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
20. I simply don't believe it...
Tue May 14, 2013, 11:48 PM
May 2013

First, those that want to salt, salt, salt their foods...GO FOR IT! In fact, ADD even MORE!!!!! And let us know how that's
working out for you in the future.

Second, I can feel numerous things going on in my body when I consume foods heavy in sodium...headaches...swelling of
my hands and/or feet...my lips and mouth "burn"...being really thirsty...to name a few.

No one, even this study will ever convince me that a diet "higher" in whole foods, whole grains, minimally processed foods,
limiting meats, limiting sugars and "white" carbs and limiting your sodium intake...is not better for you than living
on processed foods/fast food/canned and frozen prepared foods.

Yup! Call me a non-believer.

For those that love all that salt, soda, Whoppers...eat away...but don't expect me to contribute one single penny towards your
eventually needed healthcare.

p.s...bottom line, cook from scratch.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
21. The study was funded by Morton wasn't it?
Wed May 15, 2013, 01:31 AM
May 2013

Oh no, my mistake.
It was funded by H. Salt.

They also found there was no benefit in restricting fish and chips.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
24. yeah, all those fascists at: the Institute of Medicine at the behest of the Centers for Disease Con
Wed May 15, 2013, 07:54 AM
May 2013

eom

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
22. Canned low-salt soup is vile
Wed May 15, 2013, 01:33 AM
May 2013

So is canned salted soup. it's just that all the salt covers up the -other- crap they put in that stuff

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
23. I always thought the cardio-health implications of salt were b/s
Wed May 15, 2013, 07:52 AM
May 2013

My mother kept my father on a low sodium diet until he died. He hated the food.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
25. There are so many vested interests in food . . .
Wed May 15, 2013, 08:00 AM
May 2013

. . . that getting to the complete truth is impossible.

Sodium does raise the blood pressure, and it probably isn't good for the kidneys, but the chloride ion is an absolutely essential nutrient. Though it probably doesn't do you any harm in excessive amounts, you're body is happy with an abundance of it. Salt is the yin and yang, that's the joke nature has played on us.

If you stay away from processed food, you could really afford to use salt to your heart's content, no pun intended. Processed food has incredible amounts of salt in it.

If you take that out of your diet, you don't have to measure.
 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
28. I wonder if the study was funded, in part, by the salt and fast food industries......
Wed May 15, 2013, 08:35 AM
May 2013

despite being attributed to the CDC...

They obviously didn't include me in their study. Up to a year ago I was carrying about 10 extra pounds for a man of my height and age. I was on 3 blood pressure medications that was, at best, keeping my lowest daily readings to about 128/85. My salt intake was between 2,000 and 2,500 mg per day. I was relatively active, working out 2-3 x a week including good cardio.

I went on the DASH diet, reducing my sodium intake to below 1,500 mg per day and increased my cardio to 4-5 x a week. At the same time I intentionally took myself off of one of my medications. Surprisingly the combination of reduced sodium and slightly increased cardio kept my bp stable. I began to see less water retention, especially in my legs.

After I had lost about 3 pounds I took myself off a second bp medication, maintaining low sodium intake and steady cardio. My blood pressure was stable and in fact began to trend down so my average lowest reading was 125/82. I saw little to no water retention.

After I had lost the next 3 pounds (I would like to be leaner but I am at what is considered normal based on height and age) and maintaining the reduced sodium intake and steady on the exercise, I stopped with the last bp medication.

My blood pressure remained stable and after about another month with no additional weight loss, just maintaining lower sodium intake and exercise, my blood pressure is now averaging 118/76 mornings and 122/82 afternoons and evenings and has been stable the past 6 months.

Obviously there were three things at play for me - dropping 10 pounds, reducing sodium and increasing exercise. I am sure all 3 have something to do with my results but I am absolutely convinced that the reduced sodium was critical to my success.

I think publicly pushing the results of this study is a huge mistake. We know that the American diet is super-saturated with salt and sugar. When I went on reduced sodium diet I had to completely change the way I cooked and seasoned foods. I had to throw away an entire pantry of canned goods, crackers, frozen food, etc. because of the high sodium content.

At first cooking from a low-salt cookbook was a challenge because the food tasted bland. I kept telling myself it needed some "salt". But gradually over 2-3 months I found that foods naturally have a wonderful variety of flavors and nuances including natural saltiness. Now when I go out to eat and ask the server to request no salt be added during preparation the food still comes to me and I can hardly eat it because it tastes like I have poured a cup of salt on it.

marmar

(77,088 posts)
29. It wouldn't surprise me these days.
Wed May 15, 2013, 10:01 AM
May 2013

Just look at the FDA. There are corporate fingerprints on just about every government agency.


Imajika

(4,072 posts)
31. So Bloomberg's jihad against salt was pretty pointless...
Wed May 15, 2013, 10:38 AM
May 2013

Is NYC still wasting money on anti-salt ad's in the subways?

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
33. No, I don't think efforts to get Americans to reduce salt in their diets is pointless....
Wed May 15, 2013, 10:59 AM
May 2013

See my post above.....I am certain that reducing the amount of sodium in my diet (along with dropping a few extra pounds and marginally increasing my exercise) enabled me to get rid of 3 bp medications that weren't even keeping my bp that low.

We know salt not only increases blood pressure but it is hard on the kidneys and it causes water retention which in turn is hard on the heart and other systems.

We all need sodium but reducing to 1,500 mg per day is not that hard. It takes changing the way you shop and prepare food. I am enjoying tastes in foods I haven't known for years because the nuances and subtleties are not overwhelmed by salt.

 

mattnapa

(7 posts)
32. Times up
Wed May 15, 2013, 10:48 AM
May 2013

I see no mention of the time frame for these studies. In case people have not noticed the technique of using very short time frames for theses studies has been a common practice for deceit by the corporate money that often sponsors such studies. The GMO studies have been the most famous example of this by usually ending their studies after only three months of research. This may or may not be the case but people need to start putting on their critical thinking caps when being exposed to these studies

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
36. 4.7 years
Wed May 15, 2013, 12:03 PM
May 2013

Another study, published in 2011, followed 28,800 subjects with high blood pressure ages 55 and older for 4.7 years and analyzed their sodium consumption by urinalysis.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/health/panel-finds-no-benefit-in-sharply-restricting-sodium.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

tblue

(16,350 posts)
34. It's NOT saying, 'Eat lots of salt'!
Wed May 15, 2013, 11:55 AM
May 2013

It's saying diets with >1500 mg of sodium demonstrate no improvement over those with >2300 mg when it comes to lowering BP, etc.

Staying >2300 offers some benefits and that sounds like the target this article is suggesting. It's about 3/4 of a teaspoon (my rough estimate). That's still not a lot of salt. Noticing in this article suggests eating more than the tiniest bit of sodium/salt if you're in the target demo.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
35. Nope. Everything in moderation.
Wed May 15, 2013, 11:57 AM
May 2013

It just means that people with normal health don't need to be complete anti-salt neurotics.

And as one of my favorite uncles always said, "when the good Lord wants you, He'll take you".

marlakay

(11,484 posts)
37. Eating and drinking in moderation
Wed May 15, 2013, 12:10 PM
May 2013

And exercise, the key to health.

Exercise burns off excess sugars and salt in your body.

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