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Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:49 PM Jun 2013

Obama Administration On PRISM Program: 'Only Non-U.S. Persons Outside The U.S. Are Targeted' (UPDATE

Source: huffingtonpost.com

<snip>

The Guardian and Washington Post articles refer to collection of communications pursuant to Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. This law does not allow the targeting of any U.S. citizen or of any person located within the United States.
The program is subject to oversight by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the Executive Branch, and Congress. It involves extensive procedures, specifically approved by the court, to ensure that only non-U.S. persons outside the U.S. are targeted, and that minimize the acquisition, retention and dissemination of incidentally acquired information about U.S. persons.

This program was recently reauthorized by Congress after extensive hearings and debate.

Information collected under this program is among the most important and valuable intelligence information we collect, and is used to protect our nation from a wide variety of threats.

The Government may only use Section 702 to acquire foreign intelligence information, which is specifically, and narrowly, defined in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. This requirement applies across the board, regardless of the nationality of the target.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/obama-administration-prism-program_n_3399858.html?ref=topbar

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Obama Administration On PRISM Program: 'Only Non-U.S. Persons Outside The U.S. Are Targeted' (UPDATE (Original Post) Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 OP
Yeah right...... Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #1
yup, there`s an app for that JoePhilly Jun 2013 #3
Nooooo..... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #2
Miss you already. Change has come Jun 2013 #19
Do you support the President's domestic surveillance program on its own citizens? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #36
The Obama Haters??? LovingA2andMI Jun 2013 #4
NSA's Verizon Spying Order Specifically Targeted Americans, Not Foreigners Snowfield Jun 2013 #5
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin Jun 2013 #7
Boom goes the dynamite. JoeyT Jun 2013 #8
Right ... because everything we read in Forbes, must be 100% correct and truthful ... brett_jv Jun 2013 #20
read the actual order,it is crystal clear,USA data sole target, wholly foreign specifically excluded Snowfield Jun 2013 #23
Thank you Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #26
There are two steps. One is to STORE ALL the info, preserve it for future use. The second is to get okaawhatever Jun 2013 #28
Thank You to the brave person who ignored this ruling Jesus Malverde Jun 2013 #37
"Reauthorized by Congress after extensive hearings and debate..." NoodleyAppendage Jun 2013 #6
C-Span? nt okaawhatever Jun 2013 #29
Whoops. JoeyT Jun 2013 #9
Bernie was right all along..... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #10
LOL. If only. It's been renewed at 90-day intervals for many years. PSPS Jun 2013 #12
Can't guess this time though... n/t. Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #14
Glad you posted that. n/t Psephos Jun 2013 #11
+1 Myrina Jun 2013 #32
LIES blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #13
I Agree, Fox, Rush, Daily Crapper.... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #15
"used to protect our nation from a wide variety of threats." Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #16
It may be impossible for them to put the jack back in the box. Kablooie Jun 2013 #17
so this is how Reid knew about Romney's taxes? quadrature Jun 2013 #18
How would he know about Rmoneys taxes from telephone call metadata? brett_jv Jun 2013 #21
when Romney phone-called a bank in the Grand Caymans quadrature Jun 2013 #22
"Did the White House conspire with the NSA... cheapdate Jun 2013 #27
BULLSH*T CountAllVotes Jun 2013 #24
And we should believe you why exactly? Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #25
Sure, and if you believe that... Daemonaquila Jun 2013 #30
That's what he said about drones, too ... Myrina Jun 2013 #31
k&r for the lols! bananas Jun 2013 #33
That's what they always say, but then 911 changed everything usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #34
Damage Control Malik Agar Jun 2013 #35
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
36. Do you support the President's domestic surveillance program on its own citizens?
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jun 2013

I'm referring to the phone scandal--we haven't yet found out that he's actively spying on millions of Americans' Internet browsing sessions yet, so I'm restricting my question to the surveillance he's doing on Verizon's customers (at least).

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
4. The Obama Haters???
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:04 PM
Jun 2013

Maybe, just maybe IF this was true.....President Obama Administration could have been the first, not last to say so. Now that a freaking concept!

So, to this story less than six hours after the second Glenward story broke.....it smells like a lying skunk. And I'm DIRECTLY TALKING ABOUT this lame attempt to spin the issue.

 

Snowfield

(46 posts)
5. NSA's Verizon Spying Order Specifically Targeted Americans, Not Foreigners
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:22 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/05/nsas-verizon-spying-order-specifically-targeted-americans-not-foreigners/

The National Security Agency has long justified its spying powers by arguing that its charter allows surveillance on those outside of the United States, while avoiding intrusions into the private communications of American citizens. But the latest revelation of the extent of the NSA’s surveillance shows that it has focused specifically on Americans, to the degree that its data collection has in at least one major spying incident explicitly excluded those outside the United States.

In a top secret order obtained by the Guardian newspaper and published Wednesday evening, the FBI on the NSA’s behalf demanded that Verizon turn over all metadata for phone records originating in the United States for the three months beginning in late April and ending on the 19th of July. That metadata includes all so-called “non-content” data for millions of American customers’ phone calls, such as the subscriber data, recipients, locations, times and durations of every call made during that period.

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JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
8. Boom goes the dynamite.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:59 PM
Jun 2013

Welcome to DU, and don't expect a response. Just fifty more OPs about how haters are mean and nasty people and should trust their government more.

Edited to add: As long as our guy is in charge, of course. You can't trust anyone else an inch.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
20. Right ... because everything we read in Forbes, must be 100% correct and truthful ...
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 03:05 AM
Jun 2013
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/05/26/to-the-horror-of-global-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/

They TOTALLY don't serve Corporate Interests at Forbes, heaven's no.

Whatever is written there is like the Gospel.

And the Greenwald's have never been caught stretching the truth.

Gimme a friggin' break.

How about we wait until we have all the facts before we go full-blown Freeper here on DU?
 

Snowfield

(46 posts)
23. read the actual order,it is crystal clear,USA data sole target, wholly foreign specifically excluded
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 03:45 AM
Jun 2013

The US government is collecting the phone records of millions of US customers of Verizon under a top secret court order. Read the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court order

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2013/jun/06/verizon-telephone-data-court-order

TOP SECRET//SI//NOFORN UNITED STATES FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE COURT WASHINGTON, D.C. IN RE APPLICATION OF THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION Docket Number: BR 13-80 FOR AN ORDER REQUIRING THE PRODUCTION OF TANGIBLE THINGS FROM VERIZON BUSINESS NETWORK SERVICES, 15-80 INC. ON BEHALF OF MCI COMMUNICATION SERVICES, INC. D/B/A VERIZON BUSINESS SERVICES. SECONDARY ORDER

This Court having found that the Application of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) for an Order requiring the production of tangible things from Verizon Business Network Services, Inc. on behalf of MCI Communication Services Inc., d/b/a Verizon Business Services (individually and collectively “Verizon”) satisfies the requirements of 50 U.S.C. ? 1861, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that, the Custodian of Records shall produce to the National Security Agency (NSA) upon service of this Order, and continue production

TOP SECRET//SI//NOFORN Derived from: Pleadings in the above-captioned docket Declassify on: 12 April 2038 on an ongoing daily basis thereafter for the duration of this Order, unless otherwise ordered by the Court, an electronic copy of the following tangible things: all call detail records or “telephony metadata” created by Verizon for communications (i) between the United States and abroad; or (ii) wholly within the United States, including local telephone calls. This Order does not require Verizon to produce telephony metadata for communications wholly originating and terminating in foreign countries. Telephony metadata includes comprehensive communications routing information, including but not limited to session identifying information (e.g., originating and terminating telephone number, International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI) number, International Mobile station Equipment Identity (IMEI) number, etc.), trunk identifier, telephone calling card numbers, and time and duration of call. Telephony metadata does not include the substantive content of any communication, as defined by 18 U.S.C. ? 2510(8), or the name, address, or financial information of a subscriber or customer.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that no person shall disclose to any other person that the FBIor NSA has sought or obtained tangible things under this Order, other than to: (a) those persons to whom disclosure is necessary to comply with such Order; (b) an attorney to obtain legal advice or assistance with respect to the production of things in response to the Order; or (c) other persons as permitted by the Director of the FBI or the Director’s designee. A person to whom disclosure is made pursuant to (a), (b), or (c) shall be subject to the nondisclosure requirements applicable to a person to whom an Order is directed in the same manner as such person. Anyone who discloses to a person described in (a), (b), or (c) that the FBI or NSA has sought or obtained tangible things pursuant to this Order shall notify such person of the nondisclosure requirements of this Order. At the request of the Director of the FBI or the designee of the Director, any person making or intending to make a disclosure under (a) or (c) above shall identify to the Director or such designee the person to whom such disclosure will be made or to whom such disclosure was made prior to the request.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that service of this Order shall be by a method agreed upon by the Custodian of Records of Verizon and the FBI, and if no agreement is reached, service shall be personal. This authorization requiring the production of certain call detail records or “telephony metadata” created by Verizon expires on the 19 day of July, 2013, at 5:00 p.m., Eastern Time.

Signed: 04-25-2013 02:26 EST Roger Vinson Judge, United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
26. Thank you
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:25 AM
Jun 2013

And then they lie to us about what is in the law, and other people choose to believe the lie rather than read the damned law and admit the guy they voted for is an ass.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
28. There are two steps. One is to STORE ALL the info, preserve it for future use. The second is to get
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:39 PM
Jun 2013

warrant and get details of specific calls. The info collected doesn't even have names. This warrant is only to store the info. You want to be paranoid, go ahead. I'm listening to what I've been told by multiple reporters and the President.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
37. Thank You to the brave person who ignored this ruling
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 10:26 AM
Jun 2013

"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that no person shall disclose to any other person that the FBI or NSA has sought or obtained tangible things under this Order, other than to:"

NoodleyAppendage

(4,619 posts)
6. "Reauthorized by Congress after extensive hearings and debate..."
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:25 PM
Jun 2013

Public debate? No.

If this is a representative democracy, then the public MUST be informed of the laws and actions of the State so they can adjust those laws accordingly.

Who watches the watchers?

J

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
9. Whoops.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:05 AM
Jun 2013


Now who should we trust. I'm going with the guy that fought the Patriot Act all along over the guy that couldn't sign it fast enough after promising to get rid of it.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
17. It may be impossible for them to put the jack back in the box.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:10 AM
Jun 2013

They've been keeping Pandora's box around for years and it was inevitable that someday someone would open it.

No matter what the truth is, they won't be believed.
This wasn't handled well at all.
That's what you get tor continuing policies developed by the Bush administration.

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
21. How would he know about Rmoneys taxes from telephone call metadata?
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 03:18 AM
Jun 2013

That's freaking ridiculous on it's face.

Consider yourself enlightened.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
22. when Romney phone-called a bank in the Grand Caymans
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 03:31 AM
Jun 2013

300 times in one year,
anyone can guess the reason

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
27. "Did the White House conspire with the NSA...
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jun 2013

to gather damaging information on Obama's political opponents? I'm just asking questions here" -- said Glenn Beck.

"You must admit it's possible. Can you disprove it?" -- said Glenn Beck.

CountAllVotes

(20,876 posts)
24. BULLSH*T
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 06:19 AM
Jun 2013

I do not believe this for one damned second.

Sorry Mr. President but I think you are full of sh*t and then some!

Take your lies and try to pawn them off on someone else as I for one do not believe this!



 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
25. And we should believe you why exactly?
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 08:11 AM
Jun 2013

You legalized domestic spying and refused to investigate Bush war crimes, and in fact helped cover the up. So, you guys don't exactly have any credibility.

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
34. That's what they always say, but then 911 changed everything
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 05:59 PM
Jun 2013

This admin won't have much credibility on this considering everything else coming out.

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