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OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:05 PM Jun 2013

Sen. Feinstein: Snowden's leaks are 'treason'

Source: The Hill

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) on Monday said the 29-year-old man who leaked information about two national security programs is guilty of treason.

Feinstein said former National Security Agency Edward Snowden she doesn’t see him as a hero or a whistle blower.

“I don't look at this as being a whistleblower. I think it's an act of treason,” the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee told reporters.

The California lawmaker went on to say that Snowden had violated his oath to defend the Constitution.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/304573-sen-feinstein-snowdens-leaks-are-treason#ixzz2VrDGr64S


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/304573-sen-feinstein-snowdens-leaks-are-treason



Thank you Senator Feinstein for standing up for the Fourth Amendment and for civil liberties, and for not overreacting to a leak that does not paint your oversight in a very good light. How can we have a reasoned debate on the issues when Feinstein is throwing around words like "treason"?
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Sen. Feinstein: Snowden's leaks are 'treason' (Original Post) OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 OP
DiFi needs to review the constitutional definition of "treason..." mike_c Jun 2013 #1
Way past time to retire DiFi. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #11
She needs to go !! A dinosaur warrant46 Jun 2013 #92
Thank you, Senator. Your votes in favor of the Iraq War & the Patriot Act make you a national hero. leveymg Jun 2013 #43
+1,000 (n/t) derby378 Jun 2013 #45
All the fine Senator's referenced votes demonstrate her penchant to staunchly defend the indepat Jun 2013 #48
War criminals don't tend to be big civil libertarians. eom leveymg Jun 2013 #49
And don't forget how "legal-istic" is Feinstein's brain that truedelphi Jun 2013 #55
Ouch! indepat Jun 2013 #91
Very Good !! warrant46 Jun 2013 #93
Don't you think she is the perfect example of the concept of "capture"? OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #65
Yep, she lost me long ago. Live and Learn Jun 2013 #78
"Di-FI" and her Military Industrial Contractor Husband Reveiled! LINK: KoKo Jun 2013 #62
what a tool, she has become. mattvermont Jun 2013 #2
Nah. The necessity of her act of being a "Democrat" has ended. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #7
And some consider war profiteering treason. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #3
I'm one of those "some" OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #6
What's worse she did so for her own account. avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #10
+1 BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #21
100% spot on! We People Jun 2013 #24
As do I. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #29
exactly! bbgrunt Jun 2013 #69
Yes! nt Mnemosyne Jun 2013 #74
+1. closeupready Jun 2013 #89
Carlyle insiders, too. Octafish Jun 2013 #100
And the criminal bankstas skate. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #4
She is the definition of a DINO nradisic Jun 2013 #5
DLC/Blue Dog/"New Democrat" all the way. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #8
This is exactly the reason I stopped donating to DSCC. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #12
High talk from a war profiteer. Rod Blagojovich is saintly compared to Difi. Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #9
The question comes down to what is treason? Was selling atomic bomb secrets to the Russians treason still_one Jun 2013 #13
But it's very "you're either with us or against us" OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #18
That is her problem, I don't think there is enough known yet. The alleged person could also have still_one Jun 2013 #28
Treason is matter for a federal court. sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #40
The constitution defines the term much more narrowly than most people using it do. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #19
Either way I think there is insufficient information. However, other questions may also occur, such still_one Jun 2013 #32
Feinstein is in violation of her oath. Faryn Balyncd Jun 2013 #14
It could be treason.. DCBob Jun 2013 #15
Put a cork in it, DinoFi. KamaAina Jun 2013 #16
That would be interesting. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #20
Sec of State Debra Bowen's name has been floated. KamaAina Jun 2013 #36
That sounds promising. nt. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #37
I would love that! TDale313 Jun 2013 #80
I wish. MzNov Jun 2013 #41
Because she's been running against repukes KamaAina Jun 2013 #44
It wasn't last election, and it is unlikely to ever be. Sirveri Jun 2013 #82
There was a lot of Dem on Dem action in the last general election. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #94
OK lets look it up on the SoS website then Sirveri Jun 2013 #98
I think that's a large number. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #103
I prefer to credit Debra Bowen and insurance of a fair vote more. Sirveri Jun 2013 #104
Anyone who actively helped create the spying programs is the real traitor DJ13 Jun 2013 #17
And who fails to provide adequate oversight. dkf Jun 2013 #35
Whisleblowers leak illegal things. The stuff Snowden leaked was legal. He should stand trial. n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #22
The stuff Snowden told us about --IS-- treason. And that is exactly how I read the headline at first Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #106
And what Bush did was just fine. What a tool. Please let someone real have your seat. Gregorian Jun 2013 #23
If you're going to San Fransisco WestStar Jun 2013 #25
+1 OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #31
Where have all the flowers gone?... cascadiance Jun 2013 #56
The endgame is coming. Sen Feinstein is fighting on the side of the 1%. As are most rhett o rick Jun 2013 #26
+100000 woo me with science Jun 2013 #77
Sigh. That's pretty reckless. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #27
Well, we loved DF when she introduced the assault weapons ban... jessie04 Jun 2013 #30
You make a good point. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #33
Well , I'm the only one here jessie04 Jun 2013 #58
Yes, but lancer78 Jun 2013 #88
Good point as well. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #97
I think she is just stating her opinion, and if she does know more, as you suggest, either way it still_one Jun 2013 #34
Speak for yourself. There is no 'we' here. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #110
I really couldn't care less what this dumb ass has to say. Hey Dianne, sit down and STFU bowens43 Jun 2013 #38
Yep. I just wonder if we'll ever know what secrets he's trying to trade to China. I think it's okaawhatever Jun 2013 #39
Working hard on losing that Senate majority, I see. Ash_F Jun 2013 #42
Senator Feinstein, On the contrary, YOU are the treasonous one in this case. W T F Jun 2013 #46
"Projection"... Another trait she inherits from her Republican mentors! cascadiance Jun 2013 #57
FFS, Senator, read the goddamn Constitution. Deep13 Jun 2013 #47
Irresponsible words, DiFi!!! grasswire Jun 2013 #50
This from someone that swore to uphold the constitution nineteen50 Jun 2013 #51
After reading all the replies above I am almost asjr Jun 2013 #52
Actually you are spot on Caretha Jun 2013 #67
Please, no room for nuance. LTX Jun 2013 #84
I don't get it. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #96
He was making $200,000 at Booz Allen Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #107
DiFi needs to STFU. That is all. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #53
You were a lousy mayor and you're a crappy senator. please retire! Nanjing to Seoul Jun 2013 #54
Well stated Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #76
between her and Pelosi Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #59
DiFi = Snapperhead. Arctic Dave Jun 2013 #60
why oh why did i vote for this MIC tool again? n/t alp227 Jun 2013 #61
We are not being well served by our public servants Adam-Bomb Jun 2013 #63
+1 840high Jun 2013 #70
so then what would the acts of Bush and Cheney be considered. olddad56 Jun 2013 #64
Good question. OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #66
Inconvenient? magellan Jun 2013 #71
The man who released Heathen57 Jun 2013 #68
I like her less and less every day. DirkGently Jun 2013 #72
We have got to start over. nvme Jun 2013 #73
Pot meet kettle. n/t kickysnana Jun 2013 #75
I sincerely hope that this is her last term. David__77 Jun 2013 #79
Aw jeez... This is just embarrassing to me, as a Californian. nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #81
he same way, I'd imagine... LanternWaste Jun 2013 #83
But when a US company helps China build attack helicopters, it isn't. Dash87 Jun 2013 #85
blah,blah,blah..... madrchsod Jun 2013 #86
kick her ass of the democratic party WRH2 Jun 2013 #87
K&R for the government contractors wife piping up on this issue. DCKit Jun 2013 #90
i say "A M E R I C A N - P A T R I O T" usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #95
There's no doubt about it anymore. Snowden is a traitor. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #99
But is that the definition of "treason"? nt OrwellwasRight Jun 2013 #102
So did Feinstein. And several other politicians Leopolds Ghost Jun 2013 #108
Hard for me to take someone seriously that voted fujiyama Jun 2013 #101
Double Plus Good for her! Dr Fate Jun 2013 #105
Feinstein's votes for war are treason. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #109

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
1. DiFi needs to review the constitutional definition of "treason..."
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:09 PM
Jun 2013

Unless she agrees with the Orwellian view that everyone who isn't us is our enemy, and we're not real sure about us, either.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
43. Thank you, Senator. Your votes in favor of the Iraq War & the Patriot Act make you a national hero.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jun 2013

Not.

Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's roving wiretaps. (Feb 2011)
Voted NO on requiring FISA court warrant to monitor US-to-foreign calls. (Feb 2008)
Voted YES on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)
Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
Voted YES on designating Iran's Revolutionary Guards as terrorists. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on redeploying troops out of Iraq by July 2007. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on $86 billion for military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Oct 2003)
Voted YES on authorizing use of military force against Iraq. (Oct 2002)
Voted YES on authorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Oct 2001)


indepat

(20,899 posts)
48. All the fine Senator's referenced votes demonstrate her penchant to staunchly defend the
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jun 2013

Constitution of the United States with her every vote, even the vote to launch a pre-emptive war seeming to fit the war of aggression nomenclature as stipulated under International Law and Treaty.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
55. And don't forget how "legal-istic" is Feinstein's brain that
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:20 PM
Jun 2013

She made sure that the entire Code of Ethics in the Senate was revised so she could vote in a war, and then less than a year later, her Sweetums, one Richard Blum had made the couple over 27 million dollars on his war contracts.

She needs to be dropped off in a depleted uranium area of Iraq and left for the civilians there to deal with her. And she should have Sweetums with her when the drop off is made.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
65. Don't you think she is the perfect example of the concept of "capture"?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:47 PM
Jun 2013

She heads the Intelligence Panel and no longer questions any of the activities of the intelligence community. If she was not so tight with them, might she not have a different POV?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
62. "Di-FI" and her Military Industrial Contractor Husband Reveiled! LINK:
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:25 PM
Jun 2013
DIANNE FEINSTEIN QUITS COMMITTEE UNDER WAR-PROFITEER CLOUD Report documents


Report documents military contracts for firms owned by senator's husband

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., has abruptly walked away from her responsibilities with the Senate Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee after a report linked her votes to the financial well-being of her husband’s companies, which received billions of dollars worth of military construction contracts she approved.

As reported in Metroactive, an online report from the Silicon Valley, Feinstein’s resignation followed six years of subcommittee work during which time her alleged conflict of interest stemmed from her husband Richard C. Blum’s ownership of Perini Corp. and URS Corp.

Feinstein, chairman and ranking member of the subcommittee, regularly reviewed and accepted contracts from her husband’s companies for not only construction work for military bases, but also addressing “quality of life” issues for the veterans of the United States military services.

“As MILCON leader, Feinstein relished the details of military construction, even micromanaging one project at the level of its sewer design,” wrote Peter Byrne in the report. “She regularly took junkets to military bases around the world to inspect construction projects, some of which were contracted to her husband’s companies, Perini Corp. and URS Corp.”

He suggested perhaps Feinstein resigned “because she could not take the heat generated by metro’s expose of her ethics… Or was her work on the subcommittee finished because Blum divested ownership of his military construction and advanced weapons manufacturing firms in late 2005?”

The writer also noted another reason could be that since that subcommittee is responsible for veterans’ “quality of life” issues, perhaps she was trying to distance herself from the military’s failure to provide decent medical care for wounded servicemembers.

“Feinstein abandoned MILCON as her ethical problems were surfacing in the media, and as it was becoming clear that her subcommittee left grievously wounded veterans to rot while her family was profiting from the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. It turns out that Blum also holds large investments in companies that were selling medical equipment and supplies and real estate leases – often without the benefit of competitive bidding – to the Department of Veterans Affairs, even as the system of medical care for veterans collapsed on his wife’s watch,” he wrote.

The Metroactive report, based on research partly funded by the Investigative Fund of the Nation Institute, noted that as of the end of 2006, federal documents showed three companies in which Blum’s financial entities owned a total of $1 billion in stock got $17.8 million for medical equipment and supplies (Boston Scientific Corp.), $12 million for medical supplies and equipment (Kinetic Concepts Inc.), and additional funding through lease contracts (CB Richard Ellis).

“You would think that, considering all the money Feinstein’s family has pocketed by waging global warfare while ignoring the plight of wounded American soldiers, she would show a smidgeon of shame and resign from the entire Senate, not just a subcommittee,” Byrne wrote. “Conversely, you’d think she might stick around MILCON to try and fix the medical-care disaster she helped to engineer for the vets who were suckered into fighting her and Bush’s panoply of unjust wars.”

Byrne earlier had documented the connections between the dollars Feinstein voted on and the revenue for Blum’s companies.

From 1997 through 2005 Blum, with Feinstein’s knowledge, was a majority owner in both URS Corp. and Perini Corp., both of which were regularly among the companies awarded major military contracts proposed by the Department of Defense.

According to those reports, from 2001 to 2005, URS earned $792 million from military construction and environmental cleanup work approved by MILCON, while Perini collected $759 million for the same.

Feinstein’s annual Public Financial Disclosure Reports record sizeable family income from investments in the Framingham, Mass.-based Perini and the San Francisco-located URS. But there was no acknowledgment of any conflict of interest, according to Metroactive, a “Northern California meta-site” that specializes in arts and entertainment information from area publications: Metro, Silicon Valley’s Weekly Newspaper; Metro Santa Cruz; and the North Bay Bohemian.

Byrne also reported Michael R. Klein, an adviser to Feinstein and business partner with Blum, said that starting in 1997 he routinely told Feinstein about federal projects coming before her in which Perini had a stake, in order for her to avoid those votes and as such, a conflict of interest.

However, instead of withholding a vote, she did act on those pieces of legislation, Byrne reported. Ultimately, “the Congressional Record shows that as chairperson and ranking member of MILCON, Feinstein was often involved in supervising the legislative details of military construction projects that directly affected Blum’s defense-contracting firms,” Byrne’s report said.

“Sen. Feinstein has had a serious conflict of interest, a serious insensitivity to ethical considerations,” Wendell Rawls, of the Center for Public Integrity in Washington, told Metroactive. “The very least she should have done is to recuse herself from having conversations, debates, voting or any other kind of legislative activity that involved either Perini Corp. or URS Corp. or any other business activity where her husband’s financial were involved.”

One example was that in 2005, MILCON approved a Pentagon plan to fund “overhead coverage force protection” for Iraq to reinforce the roofs of U.S. Army barracks. About three months later, Perini announced an award of a $185 million contract to provide “overhead coverage force protection to the Army in Iraq.”

Byrne noted when Blum divested ownership of URS and Perini in 2005, the conflict of interest was resolved. “But Feinstein’s ethical dilemma arose from the fact that, for five years, the interests of Perini and URS and CB Richard Ellis were inextricably entwined with her leadership of MILCON … .”

The investigation examined thousands of pages of documents, including transcripts of hearings in Congress, filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and reports and government audits as well as corporate press releases.

The result? “The paper trails showing Sen. Feinstein’s conflict of interest is irrefutable,” according to Danielle Brian, of the Project on Government Oversight.

“Because of the amount of money involved,” said Melanie Sloan, of the Citizens for Responsible Ethics in Washington, “Feinstein’s conflict of interest is an order of magnitude greater than [other] conflicts [involving U.S. Rep. John T. Doolittle, former Speaker Dennis Hastert and others].”

In 2005, Roll Call calculated Feinstein’s wealth at $40 million, up $10 million from just a year earlier. Reports show her family earned between $500,000 and $5 million from capital gains on URS and Perini stock. From CB Richard Ellis, her husband earned from $1.3 million to $4 million.

Public records show Blum’s company paid $4 a share for controlling interest in Perini, and later sold about three million shares for $23.75 each.

The report also showed URS’ military construction work in 2000 was only $24 million, but the next year, when Feinstein took over as MILCON chair, military construction earned URS $185 million. Additionally, its military construction architectural and engineering revenue rose from $108,000 in 2000 to $142 million in 2001, a thousand-fold increase.

In late 2005, Blum sold 5.5 million URS shares, worth $220 million, the report said

http://www.alipac.us/f9/dianne-feinstein-quits-committee-under-war-profiteer-cloud-report-documents-278801/
 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
7. Nah. The necessity of her act of being a "Democrat" has ended.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jun 2013

We're just seeing what was always under the mask.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
10. What's worse she did so for her own account.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:13 PM
Jun 2013

That is she did so on behalf of her husband Richard Blum.

nradisic

(1,362 posts)
5. She is the definition of a DINO
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:10 PM
Jun 2013

I will only support individual progressive candidates...the rest can go pound salt. Time to retire DiFi

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
12. This is exactly the reason I stopped donating to DSCC.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:13 PM
Jun 2013

Baucus, Nelson, all the DINOs. I'm with you 100%. Until they realize how they vote matters more than simply the "team" that they are on, there is no incentive for them to change. DiFi is the perfect example. California is not a "red" state. She does not have to be a national security hawk to keep her seat. She does it because she likes to.

I give to those who vote with the working class, and for civil rights and liberties.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
9. High talk from a war profiteer. Rod Blagojovich is saintly compared to Difi.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jun 2013

Yes, Difi should be impeached for corruption.

still_one

(92,315 posts)
13. The question comes down to what is treason? Was selling atomic bomb secrets to the Russians treason
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:14 PM
Jun 2013

what John Walker and Jerry whitworth treason?

I think it is too early to know, but the question is did the release of this information make us more vulnerable to our enemies? That is really what it centers on.


OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
18. But it's very "you're either with us or against us"
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:17 PM
Jun 2013

Too judgmental of her, in my opinion.

There is a legitmate argument that says that engaging in this non-individualized, no probable cause syping is what is treason. But her pronouncement cuts off that part of the debate.

still_one

(92,315 posts)
28. That is her problem, I don't think there is enough known yet. The alleged person could also have
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:23 PM
Jun 2013

Other issues or motives which had nothing to do with national security

I need more information for myself

But what do I know, Iraq had wmds, right?

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
40. Treason is matter for a federal court.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jun 2013

She is merely poisoning the well. A lot of that is going on with national corporate media right now. It isn't unreasonable to expect a more measured response from a US senator. Her detractors are right, I think. She's pitiful.

still_one

(92,315 posts)
32. Either way I think there is insufficient information. However, other questions may also occur, such
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:27 PM
Jun 2013

as did he violate the law

I think we need to know more in that area too

I agree these grandiose statements from politicians are not constructive


DCBob

(24,689 posts)
15. It could be treason..
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:15 PM
Jun 2013

"Treason can include revealing to an antagonistic country secrets such as the design of a bomber being built by a private company for the Defense Department. Treason may include "espionage" (spying for a foreign power or doing damage to the operation of the government and its agencies, particularly involved in security)"

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/treason

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. Put a cork in it, DinoFi.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:16 PM
Jun 2013

Nominations are now being taken for someone to run against her from the left next time out. With our shiny new "top two" primary system, the general election could well come down to DinoFi and a Democrat.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
20. That would be interesting.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:18 PM
Jun 2013

Are there any real possibilities as candidates? Might she just retire? She is up there in years . . .

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
36. Sec of State Debra Bowen's name has been floated.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jun 2013

She gave the black box voting machine companies no quarter!

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
80. I would love that!
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:18 AM
Jun 2013

Debra Bowen has been great. I would do absolutely all I could to support her. That said, unseating DiFi will not be easy. She's still incredibly popular here in CA. It'd be a tough fight, but one well worth having.

MzNov

(18,531 posts)
41. I wish.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jun 2013

We can't get rid of her. She gets 80% of the SF vote. I cannot for the life of me figure out why. She's HORRIBLE and needs to retire NOW. She's always been a DINO, for as long as I can remember.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
44. Because she's been running against repukes
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jun 2013

in general elections, and no-names in the primaries. But now with the new top-two system, the second-highest vote-getter could well be a (real) Dem.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
82. It wasn't last election, and it is unlikely to ever be.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:22 AM
Jun 2013

We break 60-40 at most for Dems, 2nd highest will always be a repuke in every district other than the most partisan ones. State isn't partisan enough.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
94. There was a lot of Dem on Dem action in the last general election.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jun 2013

And we finally got the needed 2/3 majority in the State Legislature. I'm not sure you're right. I think time will tell.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
98. OK lets look it up on the SoS website then
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:47 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/sov/2012-general/

State Senate:
D9 Alameda had a run off between the Dem and Peace and Freedom candidate (it's also one of the most partisan districts in the state)
D13 Dem vs Dem (San Mateo and Santa Clara Counties)
D15 D vs D (Santa Clara County)
D33 D vs PF (LA)

39 total, but only odd numbered counties

State Assembly:
D1 R vs R (Butte, Shasta, etc...)
D2 D vs D (Humboldt, etc...)
D5 R vs R (Mono, Placer, etc...)
D6 R vs R (Sac, Placer, etc...)
D10 D vs D (Marin, Sonoma)
D14 D unopposed (This is my district, Contra Costa)
D15 D vs PF (Alameda, CC)
D18 D vs D (Alameda)
D19 D vs D (SF, San Mateo)
D20 D vs D (Alameda)
D23 R vs R (Fresno, Tulare)
D39 D vs D (LA)
D47 D vs D (San Bernadino)
D50 D vs D (LA)
D51 D vs D (LA)
D59 D vs D (LA)
D62 D vs D (LA)
D64 D Unopposed (LA)
D67 R vs R (Riverside)
D72 R vs R (Orange)
D76 R vs R (San Diego)

Out of 80 Districts.

So 4 out of 20 Senate races where between Leftist groups (which we were already going to win)
14 out of 80 assembly races, 2 were unopposed (which we obviously were going to win)
R's get 7 out of 80 assembly races. (Which they were going to win)

So the inland agricultural areas vote hard Republican, the major urban and metro areas vote hard Liberal. This shouldn't be much of a surprise (San Diego surprised me, but I suspect that's one of the more affluent suburbs of the county, the county itself split 3-3). Why are we unlikely to see a Federal Senate D vs D run off. The Repugs put up a candidate and gave her ZERO support and funding, and simply because she had an R next to her name she pulled enough votes to make the ballot, combined with Feinsteins name recognition, and you're not going to split the Dem vote enough to break the 37.5% the R pulled. Hell even Alameda country voted 18% for the Republican.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
103. I think that's a large number.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jun 2013

I guess we have different standards.

Prop 187 killed the Republican party statewide in CA.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
104. I prefer to credit Debra Bowen and insurance of a fair vote more.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 01:16 AM
Jun 2013

Not really sure what immigration reform had to do with killing the repukes in the state, maybe biasing the Latino population against them. But that was before my time, I was 14 when that passed.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
17. Anyone who actively helped create the spying programs is the real traitor
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:16 PM
Jun 2013

That would include you Senator.



Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
22. Whisleblowers leak illegal things. The stuff Snowden leaked was legal. He should stand trial. n/t
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:19 PM
Jun 2013

From Wiki...

LAW

-snip-

In United States law, treason, espionage, and spying are separate crimes, the former two of which have graduated punishment levels, the latter for which death is a mandatory sentence.

-snip-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espionage#Law



Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
106. The stuff Snowden told us about --IS-- treason. And that is exactly how I read the headline at first
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jun 2013

Until I picked up the paper and saw Feinstein's ugly mug.

Doesn't matter if it was approved in a secret court, backed up by unconstitutional legislation with secret provisions.

It's still treason since it is a gross violation of the Bill of Rights, which are natural rights mind you, that all people
are entitled to defend these rights for themselves, regardless of what some secret court says.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
56. Where have all the flowers gone?...
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:24 PM
Jun 2013

They need to come back like now!

Is that Jacqueline Bisset? Such a beauty from the 60's...

DiFi needs to go!

Her buddy Jane Harman who she's tried to champion as candidate for security positions in Obama's cabinet, and who helped the Bush administration stop a wiretapping story from coming out before Bush got reelected is now gone (THANK YOU!). Time for you to join her and stop being a pseudo Democrat!

Next time we'll get a senator from California that will stand up for fixing the filibuster so that a bill they sponsor for regulating assault weapons will have a REAL chance at passing, not stand against it so that you can just have political theater for it and still stay substantively a corporatist DINO that works against rank and file Democrats' interests.

So much happy with both Wyden and Merkley in the state I am now both taking a strong stand in trying to help protect our privacy and helping the public hear about the abuses.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
26. The endgame is coming. Sen Feinstein is fighting on the side of the 1%. As are most
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:23 PM
Jun 2013

in Washington the DC. Few are fighting for the 99%.

 

jessie04

(1,528 posts)
30. Well, we loved DF when she introduced the assault weapons ban...
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jun 2013

now she's a blue dog DINO and many hate her.

And maybe she's got a lot more knowledge than some of us have.

Give her a break.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
33. You make a good point.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jun 2013


But I do think many were pleasantly surprosed by the AWB move. She seems to have been moving to the right for a long while.

These issues are not easy. But on this one, I disagree with her rush to judgment.
 

jessie04

(1,528 posts)
58. Well , I'm the only one here
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:27 PM
Jun 2013

who hasn't thrown her under the bus.

Is it a rush to judgment? I don't know but she knows what was released in detail and knows far more than most of us here.

I'm cutting her some slack.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
88. Yes, but
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jun 2013

what most people forget was that she was one of the democrats who voted against filibuster reforem, thereby guaranteeing that the AWB would not pass. She is a corrupt political hack who only gets support around here because of the D after her name.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
97. Good point as well.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jun 2013

I don't understand one single Democrat who opposed filibuster reform. We are our own worst enemies--that is, if you think we even qualify as a coherent political party.

still_one

(92,315 posts)
34. I think she is just stating her opinion, and if she does know more, as you suggest, either way it
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:30 PM
Jun 2013

would be prudent for her to keep quiet for now

 

bowens43

(16,064 posts)
38. I really couldn't care less what this dumb ass has to say. Hey Dianne, sit down and STFU
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jun 2013

you are one of the traitors who voted to allow that American government to ignore the constitution.......


you're opinion isn't worth shit

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
39. Yep. I just wonder if we'll ever know what secrets he's trying to trade to China. I think it's
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:37 PM
Jun 2013

pretty naïve to think he went to China without secrets he was planning to turn over to them. He said outright in his interview that he had lists of all our agents and foreign assets the world over. I said before that's like the winning lottery ticket of classified info. Of course, it would be what could get the most people killed, but this guy doesn't seem to worried about that. Every agent we have and every asset we have is in danger. Hopefully, the nsa and cia will be able to identify exactly what was stolen.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
42. Working hard on losing that Senate majority, I see.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:39 PM
Jun 2013

Handing this country to the pubs on a silver platter....

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
47. FFS, Senator, read the goddamn Constitution.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:45 PM
Jun 2013

Snowden did not wage war on the USA, nor did he provide material aid and comfort to our enemies. He published words, which as far as I can see is protected speech and press under the 1st Amendment. OTOH, can anyone find where the Constitution protects the right of the govt. to keep secrets from its own people or to invade their privacy en mass? Me neither.

nineteen50

(1,187 posts)
51. This from someone that swore to uphold the constitution
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:08 PM
Jun 2013

then gave the power of declaring war to the executive branch violating the direction of the constitution she swore to uphold.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
52. After reading all the replies above I am almost
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:14 PM
Jun 2013

afraid to add to it. First, I am not defending NSA. Surely something could have been done better. But, this guy Snowden, if that is his actual name, sounds very much someone who wants to be a big man on campus. He has little education, he didn't last long in the military service, his employer was not the NSA. His employer's name sounds more like a whiskey maker/exporter than anything else. He spills the beans, flies off to China of all places, has an interview about what he has done and says he knows he will never go back to the U.S. I understand he may be trying to seek asylum in Iceland or maybe it's Finland. Anyone else who did what he did would quietly leave town, telling no one where he was going and when he got there hide out. I have no idea if this was all his idea or whether someone paid him to do it. I just know that I have an uneasy feeling about him. But I do know one thing--if this NSA business is to continue they have a better hiring system.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
67. Actually you are spot on
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:54 PM
Jun 2013

first I don't believe some 29 year old working for one of the abc entities could have poop after 3 months working for them....

first he has no education
second no training...hell he's still on probation

this story is very very weird.

LTX

(1,020 posts)
84. Please, no room for nuance.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 09:56 AM
Jun 2013

The mob found a witch, and by golly, she weighs more than a duck.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
96. I don't get it.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jun 2013

If he is faking it all, then he certainly did not commit treason, so why is Senator Feinstein prejudging his case? If it's fishy, shouldn't she be saying so?

I don't think it is this crowd that is unfairly riled up here.

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
107. He was making $200,000 at Booz Allen
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 03:43 PM
Jun 2013

Which is located across the street from the NSA, connected to it by a private road

(you read that right, they have a special road built just for a private corporation to access a military base)

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
66. Good question.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jun 2013

The acts DiFi didn't do anything about and often supported, right (going to war based on a lie, PATRIOT ACT, etc.)?

magellan

(13,257 posts)
71. Inconvenient?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:08 PM
Jun 2013

That's the sense I get from the way the Dems refused to stand up to those treasonous bastards. Most of them are too involved in the lies themselves to shine that light.

Heathen57

(573 posts)
68. The man who released
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jun 2013

this information did it to alert the American public just what the government was doing to destroy their rights to privacy, and in such a sweeping manner that it reminds one of the KGB and how it treated the privacy of the Soviet citizens.

Feinstein calls what he did treason. And the definition of treason is giving aid to the enemy. So Ms. Feinstein has come out and admitted the congress, including some dems, think of the citizens of the US are the enemy.

nvme

(860 posts)
73. We have got to start over.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:10 PM
Jun 2013

WE VILIFIED THE USSR FOR THEIR TACTICS. WE SCOOP EVERYONE'S RECORDS WITHOUT CONTENT OF THE CONVERSATION. AS I POST THIS DOES THIS MEAN I AM ON THE NSA's hit list? We really should start impeaching the the crooked fucks! Sen. Diane F is ok with illegal search and seizure. So while that traitorous bitch selling us out to the th chicken shits on the right. Wow. This is sad what our government has become

David__77

(23,449 posts)
79. I sincerely hope that this is her last term.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:02 AM
Jun 2013

California Democrats will select a more progressive-minded successor - of that, I'm confident. She is a relic of another era in California politics, with her Cold War mentality.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
81. Aw jeez... This is just embarrassing to me, as a Californian.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:36 AM
Jun 2013

About the only half-decent thing about DiFi anymore is her stance on gun control. But even that's a matter of right-thing-for-the-wrong-reason, i.e. she only favors it because she's an authoritarian.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
83. he same way, I'd imagine...
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 09:29 AM
Jun 2013

"How can we have a reasoned debate on the issues when Feinstein is throwing around words like "treason"?"

The same way, I'd imagine, as when we throw around words such as "authoritarian", "Orwellian", and "fascist" in regards to the same story.

But I'm guessing that everyone who does indeed feel compelled to resort to melodrama labels in place of substance will justify their own use of it whilst trivializing its use by others.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
85. But when a US company helps China build attack helicopters, it isn't.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jun 2013

See how that works?

Having no money = treason.

Having money but doing the same thing = light tap on the wrist

WRH2

(87 posts)
87. kick her ass of the democratic party
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:22 AM
Jun 2013

Surprised to agree with glen beck's opinion on this issue.
there are alot of strange bed fellows on this chain of events

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
90. K&R for the government contractors wife piping up on this issue.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jun 2013

Obviously she and her family will never have enough money to finally begin to think about doing her damn job and representing the people.

Oh, the hypocrisy.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
101. Hard for me to take someone seriously that voted
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:10 AM
Jun 2013

for the three worst pieces of legislation since the turn of the century:

1) Bush tax cuts
2) Patriot Act
3) Iraq War Resolution

I consider war profiteering a treasonous crime. Fuck this woman. She's up there with Lieberman. She has absolutely no integrity whatsoever. She's an authoritarian and her only concern is for herself and her fellow 1%ers.

Dr Fate

(32,189 posts)
105. Double Plus Good for her!
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 01:25 AM
Jun 2013

She knows that if she can't spy on us now, she will just have to spy on us even more after the next 911.

Sounds reasonable enough to me.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
109. Feinstein's votes for war are treason.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 04:15 PM
Jun 2013

At least, more treason than Snowden's doing the right thing and exposing the surveillance beast (even more than it has already been).

Did she vote for NDAA 2012? That would be a pretty good definition of treason, certainly relative to Snowden's act.

Anyway, she should look it up in the Constitution. Luckily they made it very hard to indict for treason, no doubt anticipating that it would otherwise be used constantly by two-bit McCarthyite demagogues like Diane Feinstein, most unerringly true bootlicker to the military-industrial-intel-perpetual war complex.

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