Nine Companies Tied to PRISM, Obama Will Be Smacked With Class-Action Lawsuit Wednesday

[Catherina]

Source: US News and World Report

Nine Companies Tied to PRISM, Obama Will Be Smacked With Class-Action Lawsuit Wednesday

AOL, Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, PalTalk, Skype, Yahoo! and Youtube will be named in the suit, attorney says


Attorney Larry Klayman hopes to turn up the legal heat on President Barack Obama over his administration's secret domestic surveillance programs.



Former Justice Department prosecutor Larry Klayman amended an existing lawsuit against Verizon and a slew of Obama administration officials Monday to make it the first class-action lawsuit in response to the publication of a secret court order instructing Verizon to hand over the phone records of millions of American customers on an "ongoing, daily basis."

Klayman told U.S. News he will file a second class-action lawsuit Wednesday in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia targeting government officials and each of the nine companies listed in a leaked National Security Agency slideshow as participants in the government's PRISM program.

According to the slideshow, the PRISM program allows government agents direct, real-time access to the servers of nine major tech companies, including AOL, Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, PalTalk, Skype, Yahoo! and YouTube.

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"This case challenges the legality of Defendants' participation and conduct in a secret and illegal government scheme to intercept and analyze vast quantities of domestic telephone communications," says the lawsuit against Verizon, which also names as defendants President Barack Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, NSA director Keith Alexander and federal judge Roger Vinson, the FISA court judge who approved the leaked April order.

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Read more: http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/06/11/nine-companies-tied-to-prism-obama-will-be-smacked-with-class-action-lawsuit-wednesday

[DURHAM D]

1. LOL Klayman...

[Autumn]

2. Damn. Thank you Mr. Snowden

K/R

[Swede Atlanta]

18. Yes, Snowden is a HERO for bringing this to light...

most of us knew that the government was likely engaging in phone tapping, etc. in ways we thought were not allowed under our Constitution. I'm just glad we finally have someone who is willing to place his personal safety and security at risk to expose the corruption and fascism of our government.

We fought fascism from 1941 to 1945 but I guess we didn't learn a lesson from that. The U.S. government is now no different than the Nazis in terms of surveilling its own citizens, killing them at will and generally excreting on the Constitution.

[Autumn]

20. I'm just grateful that this is finally being talked about and that's what he brought about.

This is a conversation that has been needed . I hope there are more and more lawsuits.

[BillyRibs]

31. Germany lost the war But Fascism won!

[Left Coast2020]

33. All brought to you by GW Bush, Dick Cheney, and Don Dumsfeld.

[JDPriestly]

59. That is because we hired some of the top staff in Hitler's

intelligence agency.

During the war, Gehlen's organization accumulated a great deal of information about the Soviet Union and the battlefield tactics of the Red Army. When the Iron Curtain descended in 1946, leaving the Western Allies with virtually no intelligence sources in Eastern Europe, Gehlen’s vast store of knowledge made him very valuable.[2]

. . . .

On 22 May 1945, Gehlen surrendered to the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC) in Bavaria. He was brought to Camp King and interrogated by Captain John R. Boker near Oberursel. Because of his knowledge and contacts inside the Soviet Union he was very valuable to the Americans. He offered them his intelligence archives and his network of contacts in exchange for his liberty and the liberty of his colleagues imprisoned in American POW camps in Germany. Boker quietly removed Gehlen and his command from the official lists of American POWs and managed to transfer seven of Gehlen's senior officers to the camp. Gehlen's archives were unearthed and brought to the camp secretly, without even the knowledge of the CIC. By the end of the summer Boker had elicited the support of Brigadier General Edwin Sibert, the G2 (senior intelligence officer) of the Twelfth Army Group.[11] General Sibert contacted his superior, General Walter Bedell Smith, Eisenhower's chief of staff, who then worked with William Joseph Donovan, the former head of OSS and Allen Dulles, then the OSS station chief in Bern, to make suitable arrangements. On 20 September 1945, Gehlen and three close associates were flown to the United States to begin work for them. While there, Gehlen exposed a number of Office of Strategic Services (OSS) officers who were secret members of the US Communist Party.

In July 1946 Gehlen was officially released from American captivity and flown back to Germany,[12] where he began his intelligence work on 6 December 1946 by setting up an organization of former German intelligence officers, first at Oberursel near Frankfurt, then at Pullach near Munich,[2] called the "South German Industrial Development Organization" to mask its true nature as an undercover operation and spy ring. Gehlen handpicked 350 former German intelligence agents to join him, a number that eventually grew to 4,000 undercover agents. This group was soon to be given the nickname the "Gehlen Organization" or simply "the Org."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen

It was at that point, with the decision to hire Gehlen and then to use his networks of East block spies that we set out on the national security path that has lead us to the national security state in which we live today. There were other factors too, but that was a major one. Perhaps it kept us safe? We will never know what would have happened had we not chosen this route.

[tblue]

81. Someone learned from Germany's mistakes.

Just as the Repubs learned from Nixon's mistakes.

[nebenaube]

85. I've been saying that since the patriot act passed...

and Cali went all Godwin on me.

[Harmony Blue]

3. Not surprised

you play with fire you are bound to be burned by it.

[graham4anything]

4. Let Ralph Nader's supreme court decide it

[Autumn]

84. I believe that supreme court that appointed bush was in place BEFORE

Ralph Nader exercised his legal right to run for the office of president. He wasn't elected so he never appointed any supreme court judges.

[graham4anything]

86. Yeah, because Al Gore would have nominated Alito and Roberts. And Carter would Thomas/Scalia

actions=consequences.

All those that voted for Reagan and Anderson were happy with Thomas and Scalia
All those who voted for Nader and didn't vote for Gore the same with Alito/Roberts

because their votes enabled it to happen (especially NH in 2000 and their 4 electoral votes.)
With NH, Gore would have had 270.

[Autumn]

87. So what you are saying is that it's bush's supreme court.

No matter how you spin it, Ralph Nader never appointed anyone to the supreme court. To spin it the way you did is just stupid.

[graham4anything]

89. Reagan/Bush and the bad 5 now are part of them and W. Bush's.

Do you really think Scalia/Alito/Roberts/Thomas are going to overturn the Patriot Act? Or do anything good?

The 4 practically overthrew Roberts for his correct verdict on the great health care plan.

Better to wait til Hillary nominates the deciding vote (most likely Obama will get 2 more, but those will be same side replacements).
Ginsburg said she wants to set the record which will be 2015, Breyer most likely would retire to allow a democratic president
to pick his replacement, and the bad 5 will hold on til Hillary's either a sure shot or in her term.

I predict 2018.

Which is why they would love a quick ruling on all the controversial laws now. But Scalia overturning the Patriot Act?
Why would he?

[Autumn]

90. That doesn't change the point that you gave bush a pass and blamed the

supreme court on Nader. Put the blame on the supreme court where it belongs, Nader has made no appointments. The rest of your post is all irrelevant. The future hasn't happened yet.

[graham4anything]

91. I don't give Bush a pass, but I blame protest voters and Nader. NH happened prior to Florida.

and in 2016, the same thing could happen differently if Rand is on Jeb's ticket, and people vote to Stand for Rand as a protest vote.

[ZombieHorde]

102. What makes you think they would have voted for Gore?

They may have voted for another third party.

[OilemFirchen]

5. No damages. No standing.

No case.

Sorry Larry. But you sure got the "progressives" here all excitecated!

[Harmony Blue]

7. You seem so certain

that there is no case. I tend to believe there is something there for these companies to pool together for this lawsuit. Where there is smoke, there is a fire.

[OilemFirchen]

11. The companies are the DEFENDANTS

Sometimes where there's smoke, there's a smoke machine.

[delrem]

28. So are you a smoke machine, targeting "progressives" on DU?

I didn't have to ask, but it was fun.

[geek tragedy]

50. Anyone who cheers on Larry Klayman's attacks on the President

forfeits all rights to be considered a progressive.

[JDPriestly]

64. You consider the president to be a progressive?

Many here see him as a conservative Democrat.

Opinions differ on that.

[geek tragedy]

65. I consider Obama to be a politician. nt

[tblue]

82. It's not a personal attack on Pres O!

Why do people support bad policy because they don't want to hurt Obama's feelings or his reputation? Why?????

This isn't about him. It's about government overreach. It's about a system that might be designed as a dragnet for terrorists, but is used to violate our Constitutional right to privacy-- one that guarantees future administrations limitless access to the lives of anyone it considers to be standing in its way.

Nobody's picking on Obama. If you want him to be supported and praised, help get him to stop this.

[geek tragedy]

83. Are you really saying that a lawsuit from LARRY KLAYMAN

is about government overreach and privacy and isn't meant to help tear down the Obama presidency?

[Maedhros]

92. What if we're just cheering his "attack"

on AOL, Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, PalTalk, Skype, Yahoo! and Youtube?

[geek tragedy]

93. Obama and Holder are also defendants, and if you suspect that this

lawsuit is about checking corporate America instead of attempts to delegitimize the African-American President in the White House, you know nothing about Larry Klayman.

Moreover, the lawsuit itself is junk--lawsuits complaiing that companies obeyed federal court orders get thrown in the trash when filed in federal court for many obvious reasons.

[cstanleytech]

30. But wont the court rule that the lawsuit cannot go through as they have to prove that their calls

themselves were intercepted and recorded by the government?

[caseymoz]

39. You don't seem to understand.

If a case involves classified information, the Justice Department can shut the case down. Oh, yes, Obama's executive branch has that power. Actually, the executive branch need only make that claim, and the case stops. This was confirmed and adjudicated in the courts in his Obama's term. Glen Greenwald covered this.

These cases will be knocked down perhaps even before they get to a judge.

Citizens now don't get a day in court even if they can afford it.

[geek tragedy]

49. You can't sue someone for complying with a federal court order.

This is a joke lawsuit filed by one of the court jesters of American politics.

[treestar]

24. There are already cases on it, no standing is the issue

Another attention seeker reports for duty!

[JDPriestly]

61. The damages are chilled rights including just for starts, speech,

press, religion, and virtually every fundamental right we are told we enjoy. Usually the first challenges to these kinds of excesses fail in the courts. But eventually freedom makes its way as arguments and issues are honed, and the political will changes.

[JDPriestly]

66. The damage is the chilled speech.

If someone would think twice before making a call, then that person's freedom of association has been chilled. That person has no freedom of association if the very existence of the government's surveillance limits whether the person makes the call.

[MrScorpio]

6. Klayman? That right wing, birther defending hack?

I have to be careful not to laugh so hard that I'd cough up a lung.

[Berlum]

43. Larry the K, compleat with flag pin (made in China)

[davidpdx]

74. Good catch

This the same Larry Klayman that is the founder and former chairman of Judicial Watch which filed suits against President Clinton and his administration and was bankrolled by Richard Mellon Scaife.

Oh, never mind though because that's just a smear job.

[still_one]

8. Why not sue everyone, especially the idiots who voted for bush twice, and congress for rubber

Stamping it all

Ah gee, people didn't realize until 2000 that voting matters. If every democrat had come out and voted in 2000, would this be even an item?

[pocoloco]

16. LOL

WE didn't have a candidate in 2000!!

[still_one]

19. You are right in a way

[Dawson Leery]

9. KKKlayman?

[davidpdx]

75. See #74

LOL

[LovingA2andMI]

10. K/R~~~

[Bjorn Against]

12. This sounded good until I read Klayman's name

I think people need to be held accountable for what is happening at the NSA, but Klayman is the last person I want handling this case. The guy is a total nut job and his involvement will only end up helping these corporations.

[ReRe]

23. The NSA...

...probably hired him.

[blkmusclmachine]

69. +1

[delrem]

29. Real cases are being drawn up. This is serious.

[Bjorn Against]

32. The NSA spying is serious, unfortunately Klayman is not serious.

I take the NSA story very seriously, I am no apologist on this issue at all. I will cheer the ACLU when they take on the NSA but I want nothing to do with Klayman. Klayman is not much more credible than Orly Taitz, he is just about the worst person to take this case on. He is a loon and just about everyone in legal circles knows he is a loon. I want lawyers who will actually be able to take up cases dealing with NSA spying and win, Klayman won't win the case he will just make people who want a real investigation look bad.

[blkmusclmachine]

70. Klayman won't win the case he will just make people who want a real investigation look bad.

I think that's the point.

[PSPS]

13. I'm not optimistic but something has to be done to bring this rogue administration to heel.

[geek tragedy]

48. "bring this rogue administration to heel"

You talk like Larry Klayman.

[October]

78. Right? There's a lot of that going on here.

[geek tragedy]

80. That area of political thought where the rightwing and leftwing crazies overlap

is represented at DU.

[struggle4progress]

14. Larry Klayman has regularly contributed to World Nut Daily

and he's the founder of the rightwing Judicial Watch, whose original primary objective was to harass the Clinton Administration with frivolous lawsuits

[ET Awful]

15. So he's going to sue a company for complying with a court order?

Somehow I don't think that'll carry much weight.

You can't sue someone for complying with the law.

Whether it's a good law or not is irrelevant. It's not a case with any legal merit.

[Gore1FL]

17. Larry Klayman...

He sued his mother.

That guy is like LDL cholesterol when it comes to clogging the courts.

[JI7]

37. he sued Judicial Watch also , the group he founded

[Progressive dog]

21. No thanks for the link to Freedom Works

One of the wonderful Koch brothers funds it, so I guess they're funding Klayman's lawsuit too.

[Kablooie]

22. Oh boy. A heck of a lot of lawyers are licking their chops right now.

This sounds like a gold mine for several rich law firms.
And if the government loses, you and I will have to pay the attorneys.

Geez.

[Honeycombe8]

25. Well, we are a nation of laws.

We have laws instead of kings. I think laws are probably cheaper.

[Kablooie]

38. Maybe it's time to change to a nation of slaw.

Would be tastier.

[JoeyT]

26. Good luck to him suing companies for following court orders.

Klayman is a nutbar of the highest order that's engaging in attention seeking behavior. I'd be thrilled if someone that wasn't the equivalent of Orly Taitz was handling the lawsuits and actually knew who it was possible to sue.

[montex]

27. Don't Care... but...

What I find really interesting is the idea that the US has full permission and access to anyone's internet content, as long as they are foreign? There seems to be widespread approval that our government can spy on anyone who doesn't live here - that part we're cool with. But not invade our privacy? There's a word for that: hypocrisy. So does that mean England, France and Germany can read my emails? How about China, Japan and Saudi Arabia? We go around the world treating non-US citizens like dirt and I wonder when, not if, that will come back to haunt us.

[On the Road]

34. Regardless of What Anyone Thinks of PRISM,

suing corporations for complying with a court order is more of a stunt than a serious lawsuit.

Lawsuits against some administration officials are more reasonable.

Suing the FISA judge is odd, though. Has this kind of thing ever been done successfully?

[geek tragedy]

51. For issuing an opinion? No, you have to prove illegal behavior outside the court room. nt

[JI7]

35. Klayman ? hahahhaha

[JI7]

36. Klayman sued Rachel MAddow, Sued over Obama being on some ballots because he was not natural born

citizen, sued facebook for not taking down some anti israel page.


hahahhahah, and DU is propping this fool

[bowens43]

41. so basically you are ok with violating our rights

as long as one of the people trying to do something about is someone you don't like.

Wow. That amazes me

[Gore1FL]

44. I'm more worried that people like Klayman can't be taken seriously.

He is a net negative in this.

[davidpdx]

76. See #74

Once you figure out who your talking about, then decide if you should take him seriously. If something is going to be done, it needs to be done by someone other than him.

[bowens43]

40. Good. the more attention this attack on our freedom gets the better

[nradisic]

42. Good...

This was the last straw for me with Obama. He is Bush lite, after continuing all these policies. Enough!

[geek tragedy]

47. Well, you and Larry KKKlayman have a precious time of it then. nt

[leftynyc]

45. Larry Klayman?!!!

The President has nothing to worry about if this clown is in charge of the lawsuit and shame on anyone here hanging their hats on this disgusting excuse for a human. I mean seriously, if you are you really ready to lay down with this dog, you deserve whatever disease you get.

[blkmusclmachine]

71. Klayman was selected to make sure this goes nowhere.

[snooper2]

88. Good thing the NSA got wind of this by listening to his phone calls and reading the emails

from him

Actually, they re-directed some mail and changed the body to plant this idea in Klayman's head LOL

[geek tragedy]

46. Awesome, DU 'progressives' cheering on arch-psycho Larry Klayman.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/klayman/130126

Proof Hillary isn't fit to be president

By Larry Klayman

No one understands better than yours truly – except perhaps Vince Foster and scores of others (including material witnesses) who mysteriously died in and around the Clinton administration during the 1990s – the treachery of Hillary Rodham Clinton.

http://www.examiner.com/article/klayman-obama-and-his-comrades-may-be-intending-to-seek-absolute-power

his latest column, Klayman claims that the NSA surveillance program vindicates everything he has said about President Obama. He refers to Obama as "our American führer" and argues that he is using the program "to further his pro-Muslim, anti-Israel, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-white, pro-homosexual, pro-illegal immigrant, pro-abortion, pro-atheist, socialist and ultra leftist agendas with what many perceive to be his desire to impose a dictatorial, tyrannical hold on our citizenry."

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/klayman/120902

It is no wonder that many, yours truly included, view Obama as not only our first "gay" but also our first "Muslim" president. I have taken to calling him the "mullah in chief," given his all-too-apparent disdain for Israel and its leaders, his support of the Muslim Brotherhood, his endorsement of the Ground Zero mosque, his cancellation of White House celebrations of the National Day of Prayer, instead choosing to feast the Muslim holiday of Ramadan, his "slip of the tongue" reference to his "Muslim faith" in a 2008 television interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, his close associations with black Muslim leaders and anti-Semites, and a host of other anti-Judeo-Christian actions while in office. Obama can claim all he wants to be a patriotic Christian American, but anyone with half a brain and who is not comatose knows better. He is the Muslim version of the "Manchurian Candidate," in effect an Islamic mole who — aided and abetted by communists, socialists, radical gays, lesbians and feminists, Muslims, white-haters and others on the subversive fringe of American society — defrauded his way into the White House. As a result, after four years of what in effect is Obama's "reign of terror," we find ourselves not only on the precipice of economic disaster, but living the nightmare of having a charlatan "Muslim" socialist impostor as the head of the greatest nation on earth. The framers are more than turning in their hallowed graves.

[geek tragedy]

52. Larry Klayman: Jews behind gay marriage, IRS scandal

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/klayman-jews-behind-gay-marriage-irs-scandal

Well over a decade since the scandalous Clintons left office, the issue of leftist Jewish influence is not just about the promotion of anti-family institutions like gay marriage, but of outright criminal behavior of the Obama administration. I am more than embarrassed and appalled as a Jew to see my own people at the forefront of a number of scandals now perpetrated by the Muslim-in-Chief, Barack Hussein Obama, and his leftist Jewish government comrades and partners in crime. It is time for the great majority of Jews, who are honest law-abiding citizens, to speak up and play a role in helping to put these felonious liberal Jews in a place where the sun don't shine – meaning prison.

That Jews don't mince words and don't generally circle the wagons for their own creed is a Hebrew virtue. The God of Abraham and Isaac is not forgiving to His own people when they step out of line and neither have been his flock. True Jews, like true Christians, will police their own house and not allow criminal behavior to go unaddressed, no matter what the source. That is one of our main differences with Muslims, who by and large cover for, or stay silent about, the terrorist deeds of their brethren. Ironically, this helps explain why Obama, who by birth is half Muslim and who in his heart is a Muslim through and through, refuses to call Muslim terrorism the terrorism it is. We Jews and Christians are cut from a different godly cloth – Yahweh.

[PatrynXX]

53. gotta catch that traitor

not suing Bush and Cheney why.?? yeah love it when people aim at the wrong people

[geek tragedy]

54. Larry Klayman: Obama not eligible to be President

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/klayman/121208

[geek tragedy]

55. Larry Klayman: Obama is "mullah-in-chief" not eligible to be President

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/klayman/130114

Since the fraudulent re-election of Barack Hussein Obama as president – the "mullah in chief" not eligible to be president as he is not a natural born citizen – he has thrown his weight around as if he were our king.

First, virtually unopposed by a functionally dead Republican opposition, Obama rammed down the people's throats considerable income tax increases to modest and top income earners and small businesses, increased the capital gains and estate taxes and eliminated so called loopholes in the tax code – all to socialize the American economy by having these individuals and businesses "pay their fair share" as punishment for their success in a heretofore capitalist system. Now, like drunken sailors, Obama and his socialist flunkies on Capitol Hill, notably House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, promise that more tax hikes are on the way to further their march toward dismantling our free-market freedoms and the body politic of the nation.

Then, our first Muslim president cleverly nominated former Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel to be the next secretary of defense,

[geek tragedy]

56. Larry Klayman: We may have to use weapons to resist Obama's Marxism

http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/glenn-beck-is-no-patrick-henry/

The First Despot, King George III, raped the rich colonies with high taxes, ignored their grievances, subverted their legal system and as a final stroke seized and destroyed the colonists’ caches of guns and other means of self-defense when it became apparent that the citizens could stand no more tyranny from the Crown. Even worse, 236 years after the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776, triggering the first American Revolution, the modern-day disciple of the king, demagogue President Barack Hussein Obama, has onerously raised taxes, engaged in class warfare, pitting the poor and middle class against the so-called rich, black against white, Latino against Anglo, gay against straight, and Muslim against Jew and Christian, in order to win re-election.

To insure that Obama’s mission to enslave the nation in his brand of Marxist ideology succeeds in the face of imminent rebellion by the informed masses, his government has armed itself to the teeth, unleashed black helicopters in our major cities to intimate the people and set up committees to determine who in its estimation is a “subversive” and may have to be eliminated with drone and other strikes on American citizens on U.S. soil. [See "Obama prepares to kill 2nd American Revolution"]. And, last but not least, to this end, Obama has also issued executive actions as the first step to removing the people’s Second Amendment right to bear arms to defend themselves against “his” government and its evil designs.

With the exception of a few, like Sen. Rand Paul, no one in the Republican opposition has the will or guts to oppose Obama’s dictatorial quest to remove our freedoms and civil liberties and potentially assassinate those American citizens who resist his and the rest of the government establishment’s claim of total “sovereignty” over us.

We the People, initially using all non-violent means, must ourselves rise up! But if in the end it means following the lead of our First Founding Father, Patrick Henry, we reserve our God-given rights to defend ourselves and to restore liberty to our shores.

As in colonial times leading to the birth of a free country, we will never surrender! Instead, must be prepared to use all legally righteous means to restore the country to greatness!

Give us liberty or give us death! God did not forsake our Founding Fathers, and He will

[Initech]

73. Do these idiots even know what Marxism is?

That crap he's spewing has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism. That's fascism and conspiracy theories.

[JoePhilly]

57. So the Birthers are going to save us from our evil government?

[geek tragedy]

58. The enemy of their enemy is someone's friend, apparently nt

[pam4water]

60. I smell re-fried retroactive immunity for telecoms coming from a congressman near you.

[geek tragedy]

62. That smell is a troll lawsuit filed by Larry Klayman nt

[phleshdef]

63. Hahahha, Larry "Klanman" can eat a bag of dicks. This will go nowhere.

[JDPriestly]

67. Klayman is a Republican. I doubt that he will file much of a lawsuit.

Does he intend to fail and establish bad precedent? I'm just asking.

[blkmusclmachine]

72. Klayman was selected to make sure this goes nowhere.

[davidpdx]

77. Selected?

Was this some kind of brain control experiment?

[blkmusclmachine]

68. .

.

[Progressive dog]

79. In other news Orly Taitz finally runs out of courts

and copies of Kenyan birth certificates.

[JackRiddler]

94. Yeah, the world's biggest, most intrusive surveillance state

of all time...

was invented just to make your imagined Obama look bad.

:eyes

[geek tragedy]

95. Are you familiar with Larry Klayman? nt

[JackRiddler]

97. Yes. So?

Stick to the question, counsel.

The lawsuit relates to the surveillance state everyone knows has been in the making for the entire postwar period and was specifically revolutionized by the Bush regime, before the (actually elected, golly) Obama government expanded it further. Are you for it or against it?

[geek tragedy]

98. The lawsuit is junk, and will be tossed out of court with great haste.

It is poorly pled and based on nonsense legal theories.

Which should be of no surprise, since it's an Orly Taitz-type figure who's behind it.

Those interested in combating the surveillance state would be well advised to not join forces with rightwing nutters and walk down the path of stupidity.

[JackRiddler]

99. Could be. So?

I haven't joined this lawsuit.

Are you among "those interested in combating the surveillance state"? Because based on where you direct your attention, you don't seem to be. You seem to be among those interested in distracting from the surveillance state by pointing to some relatively trivial personalities on the fringes of the issue. So tell us:

Are you among "those interested in combating the surveillance state"? Yes or no?

[geek tragedy]

100. 'combatting the surveillance state'

I have enough trouble combatting the people who hack my email account and use it to send spam to my friends, families and professional contacts.

[JackRiddler]

101. So your answer is no?

You are not among "those interested in combating the surveillance state," correct? It's not a priority for you, apparently. Are you among those interested in defending it, as long as it appears to be "Obama's"? I ask because those are your words and you're willing to give advice to "those interested in combating the surveillance state," as though you're a friend to them. Are you?

[Progressive dog]

96. Welcome back, glad you think so

You are so perceptive I'm in awe.

You are proud that you said "They also vote in Iran, you know. It probably makes more of a difference than it does here."

But you aren't here, are you Jack? We established you don't even know that the USA doesn't have a parliament. That makes your posts even funnier.

[SidDithers]

103. Larry fucking Klayman?...

Why are you bringing that shit to DU?

Any port in a storm, I guess.

Sid