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alp227

(32,034 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 03:31 PM Jun 2013

Sen. Rand Paul: ‘American Taxpayer Dollars’ Are Funding ‘A War Against Christianity’

Source: Mediaite

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) warned of a “war on Christianity” on Thursday, which he contended the U.S., through its taxpayers, is funding. The remarks were made at a luncheon hosted by the Faith and Freedom Coalition.

“It’s clear that American taxpayer dollars are being used in a war against Christianity,” Paul said at the event.

He further added, “It angers me to see my tax dollars supporting regimes that put Christians to death for blasphemy against Islam, countries that put to death Muslims who convert to Christianity, and countries who imprison anyone who marries outside their religion.”

Read more: http://www.mediaite.com/online/sen-rand-paul-american-taxpayer-dollars-are-funding-a-war-against-christianity/

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Sen. Rand Paul: ‘American Taxpayer Dollars’ Are Funding ‘A War Against Christianity’ (Original Post) alp227 Jun 2013 OP
American tax dollars are being wasted paying for his bloviating and his salary and benefits. nt. graham4anything Jun 2013 #1
^^^^this^^^^ cliffordu Jun 2013 #20
Jesus wept... NYtoBush-Drop Dead Jun 2013 #42
Hear, hear!!! Beacool Jun 2013 #46
If we're supposed to have separation of church and state... Initech Jun 2013 #2
He might get it Warpy Jun 2013 #4
He is Rand Paul though. The dumbest Senator ever. Initech Jun 2013 #9
Dumber than Carnival Cruz? kentauros Jun 2013 #14
Hmmm... tough call. Initech Jun 2013 #19
Cruz isn't stupid . . . MrModerate Jun 2013 #36
even idiots Niceguy1 Jun 2013 #53
Nothing wrong with him speaking at this conference and it does not violate church/state separation karynnj Jun 2013 #54
You, Rand Paul Iliyah Jun 2013 #3
The problem with "Christians" like Paul reflection Jun 2013 #5
What kind of Libertarian says a thing like that? Hekate Jun 2013 #6
STAND WITH RAND! Ron Paul 2016! freshwest Jun 2013 #33
How's about this... SoapBox Jun 2013 #7
A question atreides1 Jun 2013 #8
Hi, Cary Laochtine Jun 2013 #48
I believe being a Christian is like being a lady. If you have to tell someone you are, you probably okaawhatever Jun 2013 #49
Hey, Rand! Let's kick back and listen to some muzak! struggle4progress Jun 2013 #10
This guy makes his father look like a moderate. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #11
Got it bassackwards, Rand SoCalDem Jun 2013 #12
Rand will forcibly convert Americans to his belief system by personhood and ultrasound bills, etc.. freshwest Jun 2013 #34
Beat me to it...........mostly Rain Mcloud Jun 2013 #39
Also I forgot this jewel Rain Mcloud Jun 2013 #40
A little off topic, but... KansDem Jun 2013 #52
So let's start by getting the hell out of Pakistan and Iraq starroute Jun 2013 #13
+1 cosmicone Jun 2013 #15
Add Syria. Christians there are fleeing the rebels we just allied ouselves with. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #47
Ah, the Faith and Freedom Coalition. SwankyXomb Jun 2013 #16
Only in both of our dreams, Randy Tom Ripley Jun 2013 #17
does he say where to send donations? RedstDem Jun 2013 #18
Rand Paul's evangelical outreach director... Archae Jun 2013 #21
That's right! Vote for Rand Paul in 2016 and you'll get this free bonus gift! freshwest Jun 2013 #37
Oh well secondvariety Jun 2013 #22
The war on christmas was getting boring... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #23
Remedial History 101. Mr. David Jun 2013 #24
There was one meme I saw a few months ago: Initech Jun 2013 #27
Every time I get one ounce of respect for this guy bucolic_frolic Jun 2013 #25
Just wondering rastaone Jun 2013 #26
I'm no Rand Paul John2 Jun 2013 #30
Exactly rastaone Jun 2013 #31
I'm angry that we give money to those shithole countries too. MrSlayer Jun 2013 #28
Another reminder that Rand is no libertarian. muntrv Jun 2013 #29
People Like This Douchebag 1ProudAtheist Jun 2013 #32
OFFS! sakabatou Jun 2013 #35
Stand with Rand, Friends alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #38
How the hell did this moran get in to the Senate to begin with?!? Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #41
More Republican war of divisiveness. We are all one family, not separated by religions! Coyotl Jun 2013 #43
just in case anyone was beginning to have an ounce of respect for the man booley Jun 2013 #44
Why SHOULD US tax dollars support states that execute people for apostasy? David__77 Jun 2013 #45
It's a war on the poor... Orsino Jun 2013 #50
He is Nucking Futs JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #51
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #55
For some who wants to be independent, he sure does whine a lot. Thor_MN Jun 2013 #56

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
46. Hear, hear!!!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jun 2013


The same can be said for the other kooks that populate the Repug party: Cruz, Paul, Gohmert, Bachmann, Johnson, etc............

Initech

(100,081 posts)
2. If we're supposed to have separation of church and state...
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 03:39 PM
Jun 2013

Then what the fuck is an elected Senator doing speaking at a "Faith And Freedom Conference?" They just don't get it do they?

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
36. Cruz isn't stupid . . .
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 08:55 PM
Jun 2013

He's evil.

But he knows that his fans are stupid (or evil), and plays to that section of the bleachers.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
54. Nothing wrong with him speaking at this conference and it does not violate church/state separation
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:27 AM
Jun 2013

Have you had a problem with a Democrat speaking at a large inner city black congregation - which happens all the time and is perfectly legal? I've watched an excellent speech on interfaith cooperation given by the current Secretary of State when he was a Senator. It was given at Yale, but I think it was part of a conference.

What I see is another attack by Rand Paul on foreign aid. Not a surprise at all that he is trying to use an emotional issue to add to the xenophobia that he usually addresses in his call for stopping foreign aid. That's who he is.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
5. The problem with "Christians" like Paul
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 03:44 PM
Jun 2013

is that they view everything as a war, a fight, a struggle. Always frowning, always angry, stirring their own cauldrons of fear and hate.

They don't have to act like blissful idiots, but it would seem that true Christians would be more content than the current crop that is so vocal.

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
8. A question
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jun 2013

What is a Christian? And don't tell me it's anyone who makes the claim...because if it's that easy then I'm Cary Grant!!!

I'm really curious...I left the Christian religion because I couldn't stomach all of the war mongering, the open hatred for people of color, the complete disregard for the needs of the poor and the weak...

I know that my grandmother who was a devout Catholic, practiced a form of Christianity that seems to have died off...she would go and help others, she hardly ever said anything against people, only swore once that I can recall(when I pissed her off), and always gave to the poor.

But, what I see today are more and more people like Rand Paul and others who use the title of Christian as a way to fund their own agendas and attack those who need the most help as dregs of society.

So, what is a Christian?

PS: if there was a "war on Christianity" Paul and the others would be nailed to trees...

Laochtine

(394 posts)
48. Hi, Cary
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 09:10 PM
Jun 2013

There is enough contradiction in the bible to be useful to just about anyone.
I take everyone that claims to be a Christian at their word.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
49. I believe being a Christian is like being a lady. If you have to tell someone you are, you probably
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 01:26 AM
Jun 2013

aren't.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
12. Got it bassackwards, Rand
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 04:15 PM
Jun 2013

Tax subsidies from the public coffers are helping right wing christian fundamentalists foment a war on progress.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
34. Rand will forcibly convert Americans to his belief system by personhood and ultrasound bills, etc..
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 08:34 PM
Jun 2013
We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture.

~ Pastor Ray Mummert, Dover, PA, during an attempt to introduce creationism



http://www.11points.com/Books/11_Eye-Opening_Highlights_From_a_Creationist_Science_Textbook


 

Rain Mcloud

(812 posts)
39. Beat me to it...........mostly
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 09:46 PM
Jun 2013

I was going to opine that Christians are funding a war on science because it disproves their raison d'etre.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
13. So let's start by getting the hell out of Pakistan and Iraq
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 04:32 PM
Jun 2013

Those are the largest recipients of US funding where Christians are being given a hard time. I agree with Rand that no more taxpayer dollars should be wasted on either of them.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
16. Ah, the Faith and Freedom Coalition.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jun 2013

Where the Republican Presidential never-gonna-bes go to kneel and receive a fresh injection of Jesus Juice.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
37. That's right! Vote for Rand Paul in 2016 and you'll get this free bonus gift!
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 09:03 PM
Jun 2013
Rand Paul's Travels with Birthers

by Brian Tashman on 1/16/2013

While preparing up for the 2016 presidential election, Rand Paul visited Israel in a trip that “was arranged by the American Family Association and included 53 prominent evangelicals and conservative activists...”

Guests included top Religious Right organizer David Lane, anti-gay activist Tamara Scott of Concerned Women for America and birther leader Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily. Farah praised Paul in his column today and saluted his opposition to foreign aid and marriage equality...

Farah and AFA spokesman Bryan Fischer have blamed the Sandy Hook shooting on the lack of school prayer, endorsed birther conspiracies, likened gays to terrorists and the Taliban, seek to restrict Muslim immigration and predicted that the Obama administration will use special security forces to persecute political opponents...


http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/rand-pauls-travels-birthers

Just like his dad, no daylight between 'em...

Of Broken Clocks, Presidential Candidates, and the Confusion of Certain White Liberals

By Time Wise January 12, 2012

...And please, Glenn Greenwald, spare me the tired shtick about how Paul “raises important issues” that no one on the left is raising, and so even though you’re not endorsing him, it is still helpful to a progressive narrative that his voice be heard. Bullshit. The stronger Paul gets the stronger Paul gets, period. And the stronger Paul gets, the stronger libertarianism gets, and thus, the Libertarian Party as a potential third party: not the Greens, mind you, but the Libertarians. And the stronger Paul gets, the stronger become those voices who worship the free market as though it were an invisible fairy godparent, capable of dispensing all good things to all comers — people like Paul Ryan, for instance, or Scott Walker. In a nation where the dominant narrative has long been anti-tax, anti-regulation, poor-people-bashing and God-bless-capitalism, it would be precisely those aspects of Paul’s ideological grab bag that would become more prominent. And if you don’t know that, you are a fool of such Herculean proportions as to suggest that Salon might wish to consider administering some kind of political-movement-related-cognitive skills test for its columnists, and the setting of a minimum cutoff score, below which you would, for this one stroke of asininity alone, most assuredly fall...

Exactly when does one become too much of an evil fuck even for you? Inquiring minds seriously want to know.

Meanwhile, at what point do you stop being so concerned about whether a presidential candidate is pushing the issues Paul raises (so many of which do need raising and attention), and realize what every actual leftist in history has realized, but which apparently some liberals and progressives don’t: namely, that the real battles are in the streets, and in the neighborhoods, and in movement activism? It isn’t a president, whether his name is Ron Paul or Barack Obama who gets good things done. It is us, demanding change and threatening to literally shut the system down (whether we mean Wall Street, the Port of Oakland, the Wisconsin state capitol, Columbia University, a Woolworth’s lunch counter, or the Montgomery, Alabama bus system) who force presidents and lawmakers to bend to the public will.

In short, if you’re still disappointed in Barack Obama, it’s only because you never understood whose job it was to produce change in the first place. But don’t take out your own failings in this regard on the rest of us, by giving ideological cover and assorted journalistic love taps to a guy who believes the poor should rely on the charitable impulses of doctors to provide for their medical needs, including, one presumes, chemotherapy; or that America was meant to be a “robustly Christian” nation, but is being currently undermined by “secularists;” or who puts the term gay rights in quotation marks when he writes it, and believes states should be free to criminalize homosexual intercourse, and who is such a homophobe that he won’t even use the bathroom in a gay man’s house; or who has all but said that he would like to take America back to the early 1800s, in terms of the scope of government: a truly glorious time to be sure, if you were white, male and owned property.


http://www.timwise.org/2012/01/of-broken-clocks-presidential-candidates-and-the-confusion-of-certain-white-liberals/

There is no ideological difference between Ron and Rand Paul. It's proven by his actions since taking office. Those who have been paying attention and don't want him and the reactionaries to take us back the Very, Very Bad Old Days, don't support him or his supporters.




 

Mr. David

(535 posts)
24. Remedial History 101.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 06:39 PM
Jun 2013

And a deep understanding of the Treaty of Tripoli.

And tattooed on his face. Permanently.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
27. There was one meme I saw a few months ago:
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jun 2013

Some Tea Party Congressman said "The next time your liberal friends quote separation of church and state. Remind them it didn't come from Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptists. It came out of Adolf Hitler's mouth! So the next time your friends ask that, ask them why they're Nazis."

Along side Thomas Jefferson's actual quote from the letter to the Danbury Baptists saying he believes firmly in the separation of church and state.

There aren't enough for that kind of stupid!

bucolic_frolic

(43,190 posts)
25. Every time I get one ounce of respect for this guy
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 06:55 PM
Jun 2013

he immediately goes far right with another ranting wacko position.

Wish he'd abandon the 1920s and move to the 21st century.

 

rastaone

(57 posts)
26. Just wondering
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jun 2013

How is this any different from going in front of an Irish American society and telling them their government is supporting the killing of Irish people? Rand is an graven, lunatic extremist but in this case, he is trying to get the war happy Christian right not to support the effort to help the "rebels" in Syria.

These "rebels" are killing Muslim boys for blasphemy, just imagine what they will do when they discover a Syria Christian. On this issue, I support him. Politics 101 says you tailor your speech to suit the audience in front of you and that is just what he did.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
30. I'm no Rand Paul
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 08:00 PM
Jun 2013

supporter, but in this case, I have to agree with him. I just don't like what Obama is doing in the Middle East. His Adminstration ignores the atrocities by the Rebels. I don't like the U.S. Allies in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egpyt or Turkey either. I don't think any of them should be supported to massacre Shiites, and minorities. If there needs to be a Regime change, it should be in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

 

rastaone

(57 posts)
31. Exactly
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jun 2013

This is the message he was trying to convey to these war hungry assholes. He is literally trying to talk em out of it in the only way they can understand.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
28. I'm angry that we give money to those shithole countries too.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jun 2013

But not for any idiotic religious reason but because we need every penny to fix our own country. Something that no one seems to be interested in doing.

 

1ProudAtheist

(346 posts)
32. People Like This Douchebag
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 08:17 PM
Jun 2013

Think that not allowing the government to force childish bullsheet down the throats of every American is a war on Religion. Being that this country was founded on the principles of being secular, lets all hope that the government REALLY HAS declared war on religion, because religion is the most evil concept ever devised by mankind.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
41. How the hell did this moran get in to the Senate to begin with?!?
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:03 AM
Jun 2013

I can't believe the rants this ignoramous spews almost weekly, if not daily.

booley

(3,855 posts)
44. just in case anyone was beginning to have an ounce of respect for the man
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:51 AM
Jun 2013

yes he occasionally says the right things on some issues.

But then he says crap like this, makign sure we know what's in his heart.

David__77

(23,423 posts)
45. Why SHOULD US tax dollars support states that execute people for apostasy?
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:22 PM
Jun 2013

Seriously? What's so wrong with this statement?

Response to alp227 (Original post)

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
56. For some who wants to be independent, he sure does whine a lot.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jun 2013

Sounds both like his old man and like an old man. For him, it's all about "Meeeeeeeeeeeeee"

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