Police: Infant died after mother invited pedophile boyfriend to rape child

[Galraedia]

Source: Raw Story

A Missouri mother has been charged with child abuse and murder after police said she let her boyfriend rape her 14-month-old infant, resulting in the child’s death.

Prosecutors in St. Charles County on Monday released details about how 25-year-old Jessica Lynn Howell sent text messages to her boyfriend, Jordan Lafayette Prince, indicating that she was willing to let him have sex with her daughter even though she knew he had previously been convicted for sexual abuse of a minor.

“In those text messages, she suggested and encouraged some unspeakable things,” St. Charles Prosecuting Attorney Tim Lohmar told KTVI. “It is very, very disturbing.”

Lohmar said that Prince sexually assaulted the infant and then strangled her to death.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/18/police-infant-died-after-mother-invited-pedophile-boyfriend-to-rape-child/

[sinkingfeeling]

1. Can't we license people to have children?

[enlightenment]

9. At the very least, can we

prevent people like this from having any more children to kill, maim, abuse?

Several decades ago, there was a case in Denver - at Lowry AFB. A military couple had an adopted toddler - three or four years old. One day they appeared at Fitzsimons Army Medical Center with the child. She had been beaten, was comatose, and died as a result. The couple claimed innocence, but eventually the mother was convicted and sent to prison. She was either pregnant at that point, or got pregnant soon after. She carried to term and delivered. She was then released and allowed to return home WITH THE INFANT because the authorities thought it would be better for the kid. Guess what happened . . .

I believe that people who commit - or allow someone else to commit - this kind of abuse are not going to change. If we can't lock them up for good then they need to be sterilized, first off, because they forfeited any "right" they had to have children - and they should be monitored to prevent contact with children or anyone who has children.

If that makes me a mean person, so be it. I'd rather be called a cruel conservative and protect a child from harm than a compassionate liberal and have to read about another horrific and painful death of a child at the hands of a permanently warped adult.

[Cirque du So-What]

12. I believe your characterizations are ass-backwards

You're going to label conservatives as protective of children and 'compassionate liberals' as allowing harm to come to children? Really? Give it a little think-through: who's more likely to prattle on about the big, bad 'nanny state' trampling on the gawd-given rights of parents? Conservative assholes who are appalled at the cost of caring for children whose parents have been found unfit? Same assholes who rail against even the most rudimentary care for infants and children - trying to eliminate school breakfasts, for example.

You may want to reconsider your demonization of 'compassionate liberals' by suggesting they're responsible for the atrocity you mention.

[enlightenment]

21. I'm not demonizing any group.

I have been around DU long enough to know that when someone expresses a view that is more "in-line" with conservative thought - i.e., punish the guilty or, in this case, sterilize child abusers so they cannot breed more victims - they are often branded as betraying liberal values. You've been around DU long enough to know that is true. .

The fact that you read what I said as a condemnation of liberals is your issue, Cirque. I didn't do it and you seem to be looking for a way to deflect attention away from what I said by looking at the whole litany of bad things conservatives do. Yes, they do preach that crap, which is why I expected to see my comments demonized for saying something that could well be construed as a conservative "value".

Before you chastise me, consider what you are doing here. Did you address the statement? No, not in any way. You are not attempting to engage in any kind of dialogue - instead you are reflexively protecting (for no reason) the liberal brand. You don't seem to care about the issue at all; merely on how my last comment reflects on liberals. I know that's not true - I am quite sure you care about the issue - so why address the messenger and not the message?

How do you think child abusers should be dealt with? What do you think is sufficient penalty for raping an infant - or for allowing an infant to be raped? Do you think these people can be rehabilitated? If so, why? If not, why not?

I was (and am) pissed off at this story and expressed views that I rarely express on this board - for the very reason that they are roundly condemned as "not liberal" - but today I don't care if someone thinks that, because the conversation about how to stop this crap seems to stop with "they need to spend their lives in prison" - which would be fine, except they rarely do.
The rapist/murderer in this case might, but the mother was charged with 2nd degree murder, not first. In Missouri, the state mandates a sentence of not less than 10 and not more than 30 years for 2nd degree, but the national average for incarceration for ALL murder convictions (1st to manslaughter) is 217 months - 18 years ( http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/2551/Sentencing-STATE-SENTENCES-TIME-SERVED.html?ModPagespeed=noscript )
Missouri also uses the Truth in Sentencing guidelines of 85% (an attempt to see convicted felons serve at least a reasonable portion of their sentence). That would mean this woman - if she was sentenced to the average of 18 years - would serve 15 years. But that's a stretch. She's young, probably not too bright, and probably doesn't have much of any criminal record. All that comes into play when deciding on a sentence.

What do you think a proper punishment is for this crime?

[Cirque du So-What]

32. Perhaps I misunderstood

I'll just disregard any reference to liberal or conservative.

As to your question, I believe the rapist should receive a life sentence without possibility of parole, although this story infuriates me to the extent that it makes me consider capital punishment. Seeing that the mother has only been charged with 2nd degree murder, I hope she gets the maximum - youth, lack of intelligence & criminal record notwithstanding. Unless she has a learning or mental disability that renders her on a par with a 6-year-old child, she must have had some idea of how horrific her crime was.

As for rehabilitation, I consider the rapist a lost cause. The mother? Possibly, although I have little confidence in the penal system to provide what's necessary for her.

[enlightenment]

36. I agree.

Although I am of the "1st strike" school on this one - I believe that the woman should be sterilized. Yes, it is punitive, but there are too many cases of repeat abuse by mothers and I do not believe that a woman who allows her child to be murdered is capable of a level of rehabilitation that would make it safe to allow her to have children in her care.

[24601]

106. Child rape knows no political ideology. There are no shortage of criminals on both sides of the

partisan fence. Nor is there any shortage of good people on this issue.

What is wrong is to attribute behavior or inclination based on any political divide.

[closeupready]

17. As long as you can convince society to embrace totalitarianism, yes.

[sinkingfeeling]

26. Yep, everybody must have the freedom to rape a child to death.

[closeupready]

30. Because everyone who bears children rapes those children to death.

[sinkingfeeling]

38. And people who think that some folks shouldn't be allowed to reproduce

due to murdering their first child, are all totalitarian?

[closeupready]

46. Because 'totalitarianism' =/= government control over all human activity.

I repeat,

On a side note, if this is all it takes to set you off on a tear about how too free our society is, what are you, like some Travolta-like bubble child? Wow.

When King proposed making it a felony to insult law enforcement authorities, I'll bet you climbed right on board.

[sinkingfeeling]

47. I can see how upset you are over the death of an infant.

[closeupready]

49. Jury voted to leave, here are the results:

At Tue Jun 18, 2013, 12:15 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

I can see how upset you are over the death of an infant.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=511805

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

YOUR COMMENTS:

Calling out poster. Please vote to hide.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Jun 18, 2013, 12:26 PM, and voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: This is a VERY DUMB reply. Unfortunately, dumb does not warrant a censor. Rather than hiding it, I say let it stand so everyone can see just how ridiculous it is.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Not hideable, IMO...the response to this one though,Oy ...
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: The whole subthread devolved into nastiness, but this was a clear taunt. Hide it.

Thank you.

[panzerfaust]

104. "Please vote to hide."

I simply cannot accept that asking people to hide statements with which one does not agree leads to rational discourse.

This particular situation is a difficult one and there is nothing good to be said. From reading the above subthread clearly some people seem to wish to use this to promote their own particular view of orthodoxy and to make various unsubstantiated statements about those who do not agree with them - but, I find it difficult to believe that any adult would try to conclude a disagreement by running off to Mommy Jury to have the other party silenced.

If you do not like what someone says, reply to whatever argument they are making. If they are simply being insulting - then IGNORE them.


Do not take it upon yourself to silence someone else.

[closeupready]

105. Wow. You read a lot into things.

He accused me of being indifferent in reading about the murder of an infant.

There are explicit rules here on DU prohibiting the flaming other members, and that's right up there with the worst types of flames.

That the jury got it wrong on par with OJ Simpson's trial - well, you know, that's democracy. I accepted the results and moved on.

Now here you are, picking at this scab - what do you hope to accomplish here?

Let this thread go now. My request. Feel free to ignore.

[FrodosPet]

74. No, we can't we license people to have children

Because bad people would still be able to get licenses, and good ones wouldn't. Because there would be some crap about how people who don't make enough money, or have certain genetic markers, or blah blah blah could not get licenses. As well intended as the idea might be, it would amount to eugenics.

Pro choice is as much about the right to have a child as it is to not have a child.

[hack89]

95. And how do we do that?

and what is the penalty if they ignore the law?

[Dash87]

2. Wtf?

[Shrike47]

3. People can be very depressing.

[L0oniX]

4. OMG that is sick.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Sometimes I just want to go live in a cave.

[SwissTony]

7. I want to live on a desert island.

Sometimes, I just can't take people.

What horrible people.

[wordpix]

94. a mountaintop cabin for me

That poor child and these people are monsters.

[Arkansas Granny]

6. It's hard to decide which of these people is the most despicable.

This is one of the most horrible things I've heard in a long time.

[kentauros]

20. I'd say that both are so despicable

that we can't see the dividing line for which is "worse." Their moral depravity is equal in my mind and heart.

[yardwork]

63. I'm with you there. I think that this is a window into an underworld most of us don't know about.

I would guess that both of these people have been horribly abused themselves. The photo of the mother looks like she's a drug addict. I'd guess that these people live in a world of torture, abuse, rape, sex trafficking, and casual murder. Most of us can't even imagine that world.

[Arkansas Granny]

64. I've known drug addicts and I've known people who suffered physical and sexual abuse

as children. None of them have sink to this level of depravity.

[yardwork]

65. I may not have been clear. I don't mean that all drug addicts or abused people do this.

I just meant that I believe that these two people occupy a particularly horrible underworld.

[siligut]

72. I know a little about that underworld

And you are right in thinking most people cannot even imagine it, which makes helping the people who have been damaged by it even more difficult.

[yardwork]

82. And the Republicans in particular are useless

All the talk about family values while they defund social services.

[siligut]

83. People who have been damaged are useful to authoritarian types.

Dissociative disorders make people easy to manipulate if one has the knowledge. I suspect that there is a faction of the reThugs that work to take advantage of this and through cutting services they can prevent decent people from helping to undo the damage.

[brett_jv]

68. That is a highly depressing conundrum to ponder

Had the boyfriend 'only' done what the mother had 'suggested' to him, I think the mother for me would've had a slight edge in the evil department. I say that because I consider them equally guilty of the rape, and the fact that it's HER BABY that she's supposed to love and care for ... makes her part in it even more evil.

With the 'boyfriend' actually turning around and ALSO killing the baby (which, *presumably*, he did NOT 'have permission' to do) I have to give the nod to him, by a fairly wide margin.

What unbelievable disgusting, sick people these are.

Just, wow.

[City Lights]

8. What. The. Fuck.

[rdking647]

10. life w/o parole

in the general population.......

[Politicalboi]

41. Indeed

They both should get general population in jail. I have NO sympathy for the torture they would experience.

[geek tragedy]

11. life in prison (gen pop), sterilization for both nt

[hamsterjill]

13. Disgusting. Sickening. Barbaric.

I hope that neither of these two individuals ever sees the light of day again.

[KansDem]

14. Photos...

...she was willing to let him have sex with her daughter even though she knew he had previously been convicted for sexual abuse of a minor.

Mr. Prince's name does not appear in the Missouri Sexual Offenders' Registry: http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/MSHPWeb/PatrolDivisions/CRID/SOR/SORPage.html

[polly7]

25. 'have sex'

How depraved/drugged out does a mother have to be when she believes the rape of an infant is 'having sex'? I'm not sure what's happening to people anymore ... just so sick.

Poor Baby

[d_r]

48. it is so sick

so incomprehensible. He strangled the baby to death. But it said that she was hurt bad enough from the rape that she would have died. So think how that baby had to be screaming. That thought right there is the one that makes me want them exited from our society forever, and I really don't care how.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

52. That's quite a pair.

[csziggy]

56. Previous offence seems to have been in Idaho

Jordan Lafayette Prince
View photos: 1

Last known address:
502 S 18th St
Coeur D Alene ID 83814


Age: 24
DOB: 1988-05-08
Height: N/A
Weight: N/A
Hair Color: Unknown / Unspecified
Eye Color: Unknown / Unspecified

Offense: LEWD COND W/MINOR CHLD U/16

http://www.sorarchives.com/zipdirectory/ID/83814/Jordan_Lafayette_Prince_1393544

[KansDem]

87. That may be why he isn't on the Missouri list

He may not have "checked in" with MO authorities.

Something tells me they'll have him on it soon!

[KamaAina]

88. Coeur D'Alene is in northern Idaho's Panhandle

notorious for being home to a high concentration of white supremacists.

[abelenkpe]

78. Meth?

[KansDem]

86. Could be...

If I'm reading this map correctly, it appears there were quite a few meth lab busts in 2009 just south of the St. Charles area:



It looks like that whole area around St. Louis (St Charles is just NW) had the highest Missouri meth lab busts for 2009.

--more--
http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2010/05/are_some_missouri_counties_ign.php

[VA_Jill]

15. I am against the death penalty

but I don't think it would be wrong in this case to throw these sorry imitations of humanity into the hyena pit at the zoo. It's too bad that public castration is considered "cruel and unusual punishment". But I guess life without parole will have to do....preferably in the general population. For both of them.

[telclaven]

23. I try, very hard, to be committed to non-death penalty

But in this case, I wouldn't hold a candle.

Actually, the best I would hope for is supermax isolation. I think their actions have proven they are unable to live within the community of human beings, but won't be responsible for their deaths. Letting them go insane from isolation over the years might be an improvement.

[Butterbean]

33. I just remind myself that the death penalty is much much more expensive

than life in prison. It's hard, but sometimes it's the only solace I can find. In cases like this, also, I find it merciful that the child didn't survive.

[pink-o]

69. I don't know...is it wrong to hope he gets life in prison....

and gets treated every night the same way he treated that poor little baby?

We all know how prisoners feel about child rapers!

[historylovr]

16. No words. nt

[closeupready]

18. Makes you wonder how pervasive child abuse is.

Seems like every week there is another story - well, quite a few, actually - of parents sexually and physically abusing their children. While anecdotal, the amount of child abuse that goes on here in the US must be staggering.

[telclaven]

24. What scares me is the thought it hasn't changed a bit

It's just now we hear about it more.

Makes me want to cover my kids in bubble wrap and sit by the door with a shotgun.

[Igel]

28. It is more common in absolute terms.

Perhaps not in relative terms. Hard to know.

But our population's doubled in the last 40 years or so. So this kind of thing happens twice as often, all things being equal. (My personal belief is that the rate of incidence is higher. Fewer people around to stop bad behavior, people are more anonymous, and more are simply detached and now-centered.)

[Xyzse]

19. This is just sickening.

What the hell is wrong with these people?

[SummerSnow]

22. smh..I'm speechless.

[NickB79]

27. What makes some women find these types of men attractive?

she was willing to let him have sex with her daughter even though she knew he had previously been convicted for sexual abuse of a minor.

The fact she had a child and KNEW he had previous convictions for sexual abuse of children should have sent her RUNNING in the opposite direction the moment the thought of dating ever entered her mind.

Instead she decided this man was a great catch, to the point she offered her infant daughter up to this man on a fucking platter.

[Pelican]

93. Drugs... lots and lots of drugs...

[MrSlayer]

29. Death penalty.

Blah blah blah cruel and unusual blah blah blah but it's murder blah blah blah.

Fuck that. These people need cruel and unusual done to them before they're killed.

Kill them slow.

[richmwill]

37. I would put them both in General Population, and let every other inmate know exactly what they did.

And let whatever happens to them happen. Fuck the soft-on-crime-apologists who would cry "You're just looking for vengeance, waaahhhhh...". Let both of them feel what that baby felt.

[Comrade Grumpy]

39. Barbarism incites more barbarism

One of you is slavering for torture followed by an execution, the other is praying for a lynching. You're both quite charming.

[EvilAL]

45. Both of those outcomes would be well deserved.

No pity for people like this, none. Prison in protective custody is probably what they'll get, lucky them, if that's good enough for you then you are entitled to that opinion.

[LanternWaste]

97. I realized many years ago that a mere visceral reaction to an ugly thing

I realized many years ago that a mere visceral reaction to an ugly thing is rarely what we would do if actually given the opportunity, and that if we read everything as literalism rather than mere reaction, simple allegory or just metaphor, we do ourselves a great disservice.

[roamer65]

66. If they live in a death penalty state, they will get it.

...and rightly so...

[EvilAL]

43. People like this deserve nothing but slow death. nt

[giftedgirl77]

31. Pure Evil

there is no other way to describe this any person that could inflict this type of torture & pain on anyone much less a child is the definition of evil. That women is even more disgusting than the pig she allowed to do this as that was her child, there was no one else to protect her but that woman.

I'm not a strong advocate for the death penalty except for when it comes to crimes against children, you don't fuck with the defenseless.

[kiva]

34. Prison for life for both.

Sterilization for both, just in case they find an opportunity to have sex while in prison.

[LiberalEsto]

35. The baby was 4 months old. RawStory ran a correction.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/18/police-infant-died-after-mother-invited-pedophile-boyfriend-to-rape-child/

There are no words to describe how sickened I am by the behavior of those two monsters.

[classof56]

51. Four months old???

Words fail me, too. Tears do not.

Rest in peace, baby girl.

[Beaverhausen]

54. I was about to comment (nit picky I know) that 14 months is not an infant

now, I can just

that poor baby!

[rebecca_herman]

67. what the hell...

ugh, sometimes I don't want to live on this planet anymore :-/

[Gin]

40. May they meet themselves in prison.....RIP baby girl.

[mn9driver]

44. Pure Evil

Here's hoping there is indeed a hell either here or in the hereafter, preferably both, for them to rot in.

[allin99]

50. please let her get the death penalty. I wonder if this POS..

is eligble. prob not. I hope she gets tortured endlessly in prison. Makes me want to write letters to people incarcerated there.

[Scootaloo]

53. Every now and then, my position against the death penalty gets challenged

How... just... I don't... AUUUUUUGH!

[telclaven]

55. Me too, me too

I realize nothing I (or society or the law) can do will return the status quo.

All I can think to do is throw this individuals away. Let them live long lives of want and privation in an institution designed to degrade, humiliate, and strip away that which makes us human. In their case, it might be an improvement.

[Marrah_G]

57. .........

[mokawanis]

58. Disturbing story. So are some responses.

I'm appalled that some responding to the story are happy to announce they'd like to see the guilty parties lynched, tortured, raped.
Responding to barbaric behavior with more of the same accomplishes nothing.

[Locut0s]

59. I'm anti death penalty but these "people" don't exactly deserve to live either...

And I use the term "people" loosely. Throw them in the deepest darkest hole we have with no chance of parole for life.

[Beacool]

60. Two evil people found each other and an innocent baby paid the price.

The poor child!!!! What a horrible death.

I'm too angry to say what I wish for them.

[zwyziec]

62. Disgusting white trash.

These actions by both people are beyond the beyond. Better she was allowed to have an abortion then have child suffer this abuse.

The depths of depravity that people will slink too is beyond the beyond.

It is depressing to think there are people walking with us, shopping with us, sitting in church with us, driving with us......

It is too kind to say that these people are born without the ability to care for others. That's a cop out.

It is too kind to say that these are evil people. That's a cop out.

I'm getting more angry the longer I'm writing..........I'm out of here!@*$!##

[Catherine Vincent]

70. Jesus wept

[msanthrope]

96. One would hope that an omnipotent and omniscient god would do more. nt

[Liberal_in_LA]

71. ugh

[taught_me_patience]

73. Both deserve a firing squad. n/t

[Wolf Frankula]

90. Waste of Ammunition

They should be taken from the court to a place of execution, and there hanged by the neck until dead. Rope can be reused.

Wolf

[Douglas Carpenter]

75. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND CRIMES LIKE THIS!!

I REALLY, REALLY DON"T!! I can't even speculate on what the appropriate punish would be - because I can't imagine it. I just can't! When I read about someone who robs a jewelry store and ends up killing the cashier in the process - I can at least grasp the motivation and roughly surmise in my mind the chain of events that might have led up to the fatal moment. But a crime like this - I cannot even in my wildest speculation conceive of the motivation or imagine anyone who under circumstances would want to do such a thing - much less actually doing it.

[Hekate]

76. She looks doped to the gills. I can't even believe I read this thing.

Look, I know a lot of us get these vengeful fantasies about "throwing someone into the general prison population," but think about it.

Allowing/encouraging/looking the other way at prison rape and other brutality only increases the level of violence and vileness in our prisons, and erases any prospect of rehabilitation of the other prisoners.

Why don't we just fantasize solitary confinement instead?

[Lil Missy]

77. OMG. How tragic.

[jessie04]

79. If this is true....

he doesn't deserve to be on this earth. Sorry.

[Sunlei]

80. the kind of people send to chinas slave work camps for life, to pay on debt to society

not even worth life in Americas prisons.

[giogioman]

81. My opinion on death penalty

For you people saying these people should die I want to tell you that you forget something very important. Killing and raping babies is not something a healthy individual would think. Even the thought of killing a baby would indicate a mental problem. Thinking AND doing it means that they have a serious mental disorder.

Mental disorders are the byproduct of something going wrong in your body. Sometimes something goes wrong and you get cancer and sometimes something goes wrong and you do unspeakable things like raping and killing babies..

These guys need some serious medical attention and perhaps life-time "imprisoment" in a psychiatric clinic!

[tabasco]

107. People do evil things

even in the absence of mental disorder. It's what makes us "humans."

[B2G]

84. Kill him slowly. n/t

[HappyMe]

85. Barbaric scum, the both of them.

Years and years in prison for both of them.

[politicaljunkie41910]

89. The only thing about this that brings me solace is knowing that this baby is in a better place than

she ever was with this scumbag for a mother. Had she not died when she did, she would probably have spent many more years being tortured and abused by these two with no one to rescue her until she was either dead or scarred for life.

[Sheldon Cooper]

91. Lock them up and throw away the key.

It's just so depraved...

[marshall]

92. What would she find attractive in a man like that?

I wonder if she was twisted before she met him, or whether her mania to hold onto a man caused her to go down that dark road.

[Nimajneb Nilknarf]

98. A common trait among people who choose undesirable partners is low self-esteem.

People who feel that they are worthless gravitate toward people they perceive as worthless.

[justiceischeap]

99. According to this post on his Facebook page, he was the baby's father

https://www.facebook.com/jordan.l.prince

[wordpix]

100. that date would make his daughter 11 mos. old and the baby he killed was 4 mos.

Scumbag is just too good a word for this evil monster

[rebecca_herman]

103. the baby was killed in December

the mother was just charged recently, which is why it's back in the news

[Rosa Luxemburg]

101. both look like they have a mental illness

what is the background of these two I wonder?

[kestrel91316]

102. I think this calls for the DP x 2.