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Eugene

(61,900 posts)
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:53 PM Jun 2013

Obama says U.S. to redouble efforts to close Guantanamo

Source: Reuters

BERLIN | Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:05am EDT

(Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama said on Wednesday the United States would step up its attempts to close Guantanamo Bay prison.

"Even as we remain vigilant about the threat of terrorism, we must move beyond the mindset of perpetual war and in America that means redoubling our efforts to close the prison at Guantanamo," Obama said in a speech in front of Berlin's Brandenburg Gate.

"It means tightly controlling our use of new technology like drones, it means balancing the pursuit of security with the protection of privacy," he added.

(Reporting by Jeff Mason and Roberta Rampton, editing by Gareth Jones)

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/19/us-germany-obama-guantanamo-idUSBRE95I0LY20130619

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Obama says U.S. to redouble efforts to close Guantanamo (Original Post) Eugene Jun 2013 OP
And Orange man will redouble his efforts to keep it open n/t n2doc Jun 2013 #1
And the usual voices here will blame Obama for it not closing. Liberal Veteran Jun 2013 #2
And if he somehow is able to get it closed ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #9
2 x 0 = 0 AngryAmish Jun 2013 #3
You only get to apply that "0" gcomeau Jun 2013 #7
I knew someone would beat me to it. FiveGoodMen Jun 2013 #11
Beat me to it! Fearless Jun 2013 #20
Unfortunately, Obama can't do anything sakabatou Jun 2013 #4
If there's a will, there's a way. He could just release them. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #6
How would asking for donations help? sakabatou Jun 2013 #21
No, that's just a pathetic excuse to delay and appear as though RiverNoord Jun 2013 #17
Redouble?! Well, 2 times zero = zero. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #5
Not accurate... gcomeau Jun 2013 #8
lol Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #26
AS CIC he can empty the cells tomorrow. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #10
''...the United States would step up its attempts to close Guantanamo Bay prison.'' DeSwiss Jun 2013 #12
There are almost 50 prisoners there that have been cleared for release, rhett o rick Jun 2013 #13
Yep and maybe even higher..... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #14
Not referring to "indefinite detainees" This article says there are rhett o rick Jun 2013 #16
I recall that as well. n/t DeSwiss Jun 2013 #18
More empty rhetoric from Obama. PSPS Jun 2013 #15
More empty rhetoric from the Alex Jones fans...eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #19
He had a D supermajority for two years and didn't get 'er done. Psephos Jun 2013 #22
Why can't he just issue an executive order to close the prison camp? Bradical79 Jun 2013 #23
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #24
Well, aren't you cute. And banned. Fast work jurors or MIRT! uppityperson Jun 2013 #25
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
6. If there's a will, there's a way. He could just release them.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jun 2013

Or he could get around Congress by asking for donations from the public.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
17. No, that's just a pathetic excuse to delay and appear as though
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jun 2013

he is acting 'presidential' in a manner consistent with separation of powers.

1) The President of the United States is the Commander-in-Chief of all of the nation's armed forces.

2) As Commander-in-Chief, one of his obligations is to deal with prisoners or war in a manner consistent with both the Constitution and ratified treaties the United States is party to with respect to prisoners of war.

3) The Congress of the United States may not dictate to the President that he act, or direct others to act, in a manner fundamentally at odds with the Constitution and Treaties (treaties are explicitly indicated to be the law of the land in the Constitution).

4) The United States is party to treaties explicitly forbidding indefinite detention of prisoners of war.

5) If prisoners of war are being detained indefinitely by the United States military, it is the President's Constitutional duty to force the release of illegally detained prisoners of war.

6) If detainees are determined to be 'unlawful combatants,' and therefore not technically prisoners of war (which is complete BS), then they are therefore deemed to have committed crimes against the United States (which is the precise status of anyone accused of breaking US federal criminal law). Accused criminals are entitled under the Constitution to the right to assistance of counsel, a speedy trial, and may not be required to incriminate themselves. The right to a speedy trial makes it perfectly clear that indefinite detention of accused criminals is an explicit breach of the Constitution, and if it's not an impeachable offense, I don't know what would be, apart from the President simply picking up a gun and shooting a random person, then claiming it was required for the national security of the United States.

7) Congress can't pass laws that directly contravene a provision of the Constitution. What this means, in practical terms, is that the President must choose to disregard such laws and act according to the Constitution's provisions if there is what he truly believes to be a conflict (upholding the Constitution is vital to the oath of office, defined in the Constitution itself). If the Congress of the United States objects, it may attempt to impeach (which would be absurd, since the legal logic is ironclad - the various legal justifications advanced in order to seemingly permit the practice are crap), but that's pretty much it.

8) The current President of the United States has elected not to act in accordance with his Oath to uphold the Constitution in order to protect himself and his political party against a political backlash. He could close Guantanamo bay at any time he chose. In other words, the price we are paying to enable the Democratic party to keep votes from people who would go Republican if Guantanamo was closed is the ongoing perverse violation of the Constitution.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
12. ''...the United States would step up its attempts to close Guantanamo Bay prison.''
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:59 PM
Jun 2013
- Well, I for one wish the ''United States'' all the luck in the world in its endeavors to close its unconstitutional kidnapping facility.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
13. There are almost 50 prisoners there that have been cleared for release,
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jun 2013

and the law would allow their release, yet somehow they just cant get released.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
14. Yep and maybe even higher.....
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:21 PM
Jun 2013


FOIA suit reveals Guantánamo’s ‘indefinite detainees’

Miami-Herald
By CAROL ROSENBERG
crosenberg@miamiherald.com
6 • 17 • 13


GUANTANAMO BAY NAVY BASE, Cuba -- The Obama administration Monday lifted a veil of secrecy surrounding the status of the detainees at Guantánamo, for the first time publicly naming the four dozen captives it defined as indefinite detainees — men too dangerous to transfer but who cannot be tried in a court of law.

The names had been a closely held secret since a multi-agency task force sifted through the files of the Guantánamo detainees in 2009 trying to achieve President Barack Obama’s executive order to close the detention center. In January 2010, the task force revealed that it classified 48 Guantánamo captives as dangerous but ineligible for trial because of a lack of evidence, or because the evidence was too tainted. They became so-called “indefinite detainees,” a form of war prisoner held under Congress’ 2001 “Authorization for Use of Military Force.”

The Defense Department released the list to The Miami Herald, which, with the assistance of Yale Law School students, had sued for it in federal court in Washington, D.C. The Pentagon also sent the list to the House and Senate Armed Services Committees on Monday, a Defense Department official said. According to the list, the men designated for indefinite detention are 26 Yemenis, 12 Afghans, 3 Saudis, 2 Kuwaitis, 2 Libyans, a Kenyan, a Moroccan and a Somali. Human rights groups denounced the existence of such a list.

*snip*

Two men on the list are deceased. Both Afghans, one committed suicide with a bedsheet in a recreation yard at Guantánamo’s Camp 6 for cooperative captives and the other died of a heart attack, also in Camp 6. So now the 166 captives at Guantánamo actually include 46 indefinite detainees.


http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/17/3456267/foia-suit-reveals-guantanamos.html
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. Not referring to "indefinite detainees" This article says there are
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jun 2013
Four years ago, a government task force found 86 prisoners it recommended for release from Guantanamo, 59 of them from Yemen. But they remained in detention out of fear they would become involved with the al-Qaida affiliate operating in Yemen.


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/05/17/Yemen-wants-its-detainees-out-of-Guantanamo/UPI-58651368823800/

Another article said 48 were cleared for release.

PSPS

(13,600 posts)
15. More empty rhetoric from Obama.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jun 2013

He could empty Gitmo today with a stroke of his pen. I see he also threw in that canard, "balancing the pursuit of security with the protection of privacy." Yeah, whatever. I hope you enjoyed this week's kill list.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
23. Why can't he just issue an executive order to close the prison camp?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:04 PM
Jun 2013

Or make the place run as a legitimate prison with proper oversights and human rights protections. I'm not sure I understand why the President has so little control over a military prison.

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