Santorum, visiting Olympia, calls for constitutional ban on same-sex marriage

[kpete]

Santorum, visiting Olympia, calls for constitutional ban on same-sex marriage


OLYMPIA — Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum, well known for his opposition to same-sex marriage, visited Olympia on Monday, the same day Washington made same-sex marriage legal.

“I think it waters down marriage and I don’t think that’s what we need,” Santorum said. “We need to have a national consensus on this, a national debate. I believe we should move forward with a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman.”

Santorum visited with state Republican lawmakers and spent his early afternoon at Cavalry Chapel in Olympia, speaking with conservative religious leaders and gay marriage opponents.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/santorum-visiting-olympia-calls-constitutional-ban/nHb9p/

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Governor Chris Gregoire signed the historic legislation in a ceremony before Santorum arrived.
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/spincontrol/2012/feb/13/historic-day-many-ways-same-sex-marriage-issue/

[bowens43]

1. ignorant hateful bigot!!

if there is a hell this piece of garbage is going to burn there forever.

[RKP5637]

13. +1,000,000 +++ n/t

[truthisfreedom]

2. Because two gay people being happy is two too many, for Rick Santorum.

Rick, you're a hateful human being. Wait, I take that back. You're a hateful bastard.

[unblock]

3. i'll never understand the "waters down marriage" argument.

the knowledge that gay people can be legally married somehow undermines his vows to his wife?

the ONLY way it could POSSIBLY make any sense if ricky is secretly gay and if gay marriage is legal he'll be tempted to dump his wife for a man. THAT might undermine his marriage.

[RKP5637]

11. That's what I've come to think too. n/t

[boppers]

39. Sweatervest. eom

[dash_bannon]

46. Hm...

Maybe Rick Santorum has been fooling around with Michelle Bachman's husband? Just sayin.

[aquart]

72. Exactly. The temptation will be too great.

[The Philosopher]

4. Why does he get to legislate his religious beliefs?

Why some and not others?

Maybe I've not caught it, but I've never heard them answering this question or any of the Democratic candidates asking it. Why isn't anyone asking why the Republicans only want to represent a select group of people rather than all Americans fairly?

When will they start legislating baptisms? Communion? Prayer? Acknowledgment of their God?

[LonePirate]

8. I sure wish someone would ask those losers why their religious beliefs & not mine should become law

[snooper2]

65. I wish a debate moderator would ask them how old they think the Earth is

Let the stupid come out of the their trap holes..


remember, Most Americans give lip service to "religousity" and don't "literally" believe the crazy shit they try to teach you in church

[kestrel91316]

17. Santorum and his ilk are Dominionists. They do not, in the end,

want the US Constitution to be the law of the land. They want the bible to be the law of the land.

Oh, they know better than to come right out and say it. But they periodically tip their hands with this crap.

So yes, they DO want to start legislating all manner of christian practices. Stoning gays and adulterers is at the top of their list.

[Joe Bacon]

21. Their bible is Atlas Shrugged

Dominionists like Santorum talk the Jesus talk, but they walk the Ayn Rand walk.

Santorum's "god" is Ayn Rand. His "Bi-BULL" is Atlas Shrugged.

[boppers]

40. She (Rand) was an athiest.

It makes the mind boggle.

[Brettongarcia]

42. The Bible itself doesn't really support even DIFFERENT sex marriage much, if at all

1) Paul tells us that "it is better not to marry" at all.
2) We are told there is no gender, "neither male nor female," in the kingdom of heaven
3) The favored marriage in the Bible, is the marriage of the lamb; when heaven comes down to earth, like a "bride" prepared for her husband.
4) Following all that? Priests don't get married.

So? The current fascination with preserving different-sex marriage, is less from the Bible and real religion; it is more from simple bourgois prejudice.

Arguably in fact, the current championing of traditional marriage goes against mainstream Catholic tradition. Where priests did not marry at all. Following the Bible. In order to devote themselves to better things.

[atreides1]

47. Yes they are but...

He wants the Catholic interpretation of the Bible to be the law of the land...in other words Rick Santorum and all that think like him are traitors to the US Constitution and to the United States of America.

What I find ironic is that the Protestant churches that appear to support him have in the past often equated the Catholic church with being a cult...now they would put a Papist in the White House instead of a Mormon who hasn't quite yet decided to hop on the carzy train!

This is a perfect reason why religion and politics should always remain separated...as if history didn't have enough examples!

[LibertyLover]

56. When do they want to start legislating baptisms, etc.?

As soon as possible. As someone downpost stated, Santorum is a Dominionist. Dominionists want a theocratic government with their narrow and bigoted theology as the underpinning. It is a frightening belief system. Santorum would be more than happy to legislate ALL his relgious beliefs and force you, me and the entire US to follow them.

[Tx4obama]

5. GOPers are always talking about the STATES making the laws, except when ...

they don't agree with the laws that the STATES pass!

[Skittles]

15. OMG that is an EXCELLENT point

they get the vapors over states rights but OMG equal rights for gays just, er....give them the vapors!

[Honest_Abe]

38. True

I've never seen anyone who is really FOR state's rights. What they are is against the Federal government protecting someone's individual rights. This is especially clear with Ron Paul, if you really listen to what he is saying.
If a state is giving individual rights that they don't like, they'll go calling for a SCOTUS overturn or a Constitutional Amendment in a heartbeat.

[immoderate]

6. Here's to the watering down of your marriage, Rick!

How does it feel?

--imm

[izquierdista]

7. There is a national consensus, you boob.

But may it occur slowly, with each state rolling out the rainbow carpet for you like WA did today.

[font size = 1] what a putz!

[Carla in Sequim]

26. Ah, he wants a national debate first, too

Well, isn't that special!
The debate is over. You will not be anointed king.

[RKP5637]

9. He has to be homosexually latent IMO. He just doth protest too much. And he also

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seems quite perverted IMO. He's just way too interested in others private sexual affairs ... anything of a sexual nature he has a perverted interest in.

[crunch60]

27. I agree, all this

talk about gays/homosexuals make's him want to scratch his own itch. And in the true Dominionist spirit, he will look great in black leather.

[boppers]

41. "homosexually latent"?

Wow.

Do you mind if I ask your age?

[RKP5637]

50. Clinical term. Seemed appropriate. Normally I would use closeted.

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[boppers]

64. I was asking out of linguistic curiosity.

It's similar to me hearing "retarded" being used in a clinical sense. Some terms "date" people.

[RKP5637]

66. With my background it's not an unheard term in a clinical sense. What would

you say in a professional sense? This is a very common term, there's never been any negativity implied to my knowledge. I'm not sure how the use of this term is age related. It's in as much use now as ever in professional circles.

[boppers]

68. I would say that he struggles with social gender issues, and social gender roles.

However, I am not a professional in the field.

[RKP5637]

69. That's fine. I was not inferring any negativity, and BTW I'm as gay as one can be.

[Aerows]

59. You've never heard the term

"Latent" homosexual before? And for the record, there's nothing latent about me, I'm full-blown, but I just thought I'd point out that was a widely used description.

[boppers]

67. Oh, I've heard it, read, it, spoke it.... in a historical context.

It's just a bit jarring to see it in casual discussion. I'm hitting my 40's now, and I haven't seen it much since my 20's, when it was (as another poster noted) a way of saying "closeted", but 20 years ago, it was also used as a form of bashing all gender-blurring and sexuality-blurring guys and dolls.

[JJW]

10. Instead of running for President

perhas he should run for bedroom monitor.

[bayareaboy]

12. it's too bad that Rick ...

Did not have any time to meet with the man who gave his name a little twist.

Mr Frothy meet Mr. Dan Savage.

[Skittles]

14. oh fuck off, Santorum

please

[kestrel91316]

16. Santorum, kindly keep your effing religion out of my Constitution.

[glinda]

18. Horrors to think of how much he would "re-write" the Constitution.

[customerserviceguy]

19. He's playing for the GOP Washington caucus

that takes place the Saturday before Super Tuesday. By being the only Repuke presidential candidate to show his face in that state, he takes advantage of what must be the steaming anger of fundies in that state. They'll all show up at the caucuses to try to get signatures from non-fundie Republicons for the push to put this law on the ballot. They'll be loaded for bear, ready to vote for Santorum in that state's caucuses.

It's not like the homophobes are going to want Romney, they hold him partially responsible for "letting" gay marriage come into the United States, and if you couch your bigotry with words like "defense of marriage", well, you probably don't take much of a liking to Noot, either.

He's playing the game to win, and I think he made a shrewd move.

[Missy Vixen]

48. Oh, but here's the best part

>They'll all show up at the caucuses to try to get signatures from non-fundie Republicons for the push to put this law on the ballot.<

Signatures on initiatives and referendums are now public record in Washington State. The largest employers in the area have already come out in favor of marriage equality.

Here's a question: Let's say one works at Microsoft, for instance. Would YOU want to roll the dice and sign that petition? Let's face it, who would want to announce to one and all by a signature that you're a bigot, and your employer's HR department should beware of your politics and personal beliefs?

I'm thinking those signatures might be a bit more difficult to obtain than the true believers think they are. I also think the subsequent signature checking will disqualify a hell of a lot of those "signatures".

[customerserviceguy]

73. While I don't think a signature might cause someone to lose a job

There's still the fact that it's a public record, as you point out. It will discourage a lot of signers in the Republicon base of country-clubbers in the Seattle suburbs, but it won't hold back a fair number of folks out in the sticks. And it sure won't slow down the fundies who see the caucuses as a golden opportunity to get the signatures.

Whether they succeed in putting it on the ballot or they fail, I expect them to try mightily at those caucuses. They'll vote for Santorum, and he's smart enough to play them.

[blue neen]

20. Memo to Rick Santorum: We have actual problems in this country to remedy.

A good many of them started when you were quite incompetently serving in the United States Senate.

Get a job, Rick. Quit wasting our time and money on your hateful "causes."

[RKP5637]

22. Exactly!!! We already have too many incompetent politicians on government

welfare that we pay for, similar as to how we pay for corporate welfare. We need competent politicians with solutions for "we the people," not BS hate mongers.

[Angry Dragon]

23. Anyone else notice how many times he is giving speeches in churches??

It almost seems he thinks he is a preacher man

[customerserviceguy]

74. At this point

he's got them all to himself. Romney won't go near too many churches, and Newt has the same problem. Sicky Ricky knows who his base is, and he's getting them hyped up. He figured out how to do that in Iowa, and he's trying to do the same at Super Tuesday, hoping to deal the final knockout blow to Noot, and make it a one-to-one contest that he knows he can win.

He's becoming the favorite of two of the three factions of the Repuke party, the fundies and the tea partiers. He knows the country-clubbers will come around when it comes to a choice between Santorum or Obama. The money men all vote with their wallets, never their principles, because they don't have any except profit.

[WheelWalker]

24. He's got the cortex of pond scum.

[Aerows]

62. Oh, man

You just insulted pond scum

[lovemydog]

25. let's examine the logistics

It would require drafting the amendment then, after public comment, ratification by 2/3 of the States.

I wonder how many States would vote to ratify it after robust debate.

10? 20? Even if 25, that's not enough.

It's bigoted and, thankfully, unpopular.

[pnwmom]

29. That's why Clinton signed DOMA. During that era, there was a strong drive to pass an Amendment

and it could have been successful. DOMA was a compromise to keep that from happening.

But since then, the tide has turned. I doubt that an Amendment drive would be successful now.

[lovemydog]

35. I didn't know that

Thanks for the history.

Yes, I think the tide has turned. Finally.

[RKP5637]

53. Not with Brownback, gov. of KS. As I recall he sponsored the constitutional

amendment when Bush was pres. Also, KS legislature recently voted that being gay be continued as a criminal offense in KS punishable by jail. Fortunately the fed law overrules that, but they stated they wanted it kept on the books for when a constitutional amendment is passed.

"State Representatives Call for Continued Criminalization of Gay and Lesbian Kansans"

http://www.kansasequalitycoalition.org/viewevent.php?e=3616

[pnwmom]

57. Well, I didn't know that. But I think I'm still right about a Constitutional Amendment

not succeeding.

[RKP5637]

60. It didn't under Bush. Yep, I doubt it would either.

[6000eliot]

30. This guy thinks about gay sex more than I do, and I'm gay!

[Richardo]

31. !!

[Botany]

32. me thinks little Ricky doth protest a little too much

All that hot hot nasty man on man sex cum cum we must be stronger than
that and those nasty men need to be tied up and spanked.


Straight guy here and I think Rick is a closet case or into some really kinky
stuff.

[lovemydog]

34. ha!

awesome

[HughBeaumont]

43. Ever notice this about homophobe wingnuts?

Whenever they describe gay sex, they go into scenarios of extremism that would make Tom of Finland blush. After reading or hearing them, I'm saying "You know, that description sounded pretty detailed . . . almost as if you put some thought into all that, or even storyboarded it."

[AtheistCrusader]

54. This goes into my bank of quick retorts for these pinheads.

"How much time to you spend diagramming out homosexual scenarios?"
"Do you draw pictures of it on napkins to work out the mechanics of it?"
"How many hours a day do you think you spend, working out these gay sex scenarios?"

[RKP5637]

55. The guy is fixated on gays - that's about all he talks about.

[quaker bill]

33. Rickki, - just a language note: consensus is not

a single uniform national standard imposed on states that do not agree, it is not majority rule either. It is a mutual voluntary agreement. Debates and constitutional ammendments do not build consensus. Your intent is to have a majority impose its judgement on a minority of states by force of law, this is not consensus, please stop abusing the term.

BTW

In your professed belief system, marriage is a union of two people created by God, so your notion that government can "protect marriage" either gives government pretty much God-like powers, or constrains God to the nearly powerless place you normally describe as government's proper role. Are you really saying that God needs government's help, but the business community doesn't? Because that is what it sounds like to me...

[eringer]

36. Peeling Off Slimy Pages from the Karl Rove Playbook

Bash gays and suppress the black vote. That is the winning ticket. Ricky has nothing else to offer. Recall this is the guy that sat on a board of an instutition where they were performing exorcisms on children with autism.

See this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002128565

[JoePhilly]

37. One of the many reasons he will never be President.

[cliffordu]

44. Fuck the little creep.

as soon as soon as his 15 minutes is up I'm going to be thrilled.


I wrote them a little song:

"In the womb, and

in the bedroom,

the "little government" fucks

coming at ya,

lock stock and barrel.

I guess there'll be LOADS of jobs

with the Morals Police".

Bad song, I know,

But gimme a break.

I hate writing for scumbags.

[dash_bannon]

45. Two Things...

1) Santorum is a deplorable human being who needs to become aware its the 21st century.

2) How would a ban on gay marriage improve the state of the economy, bring peace to the Middle East, reduce crime and poverty in America, and create better education for our children?

[socialindependocrat]

49. Santorum and McCarthy

It amazes me that certain people want to dictate to others
that they have no freedom of choice.

One group wants to control others and limit others.

If all the gays got married tomorrow, I don't think you'd see
much difference in everyday life.

[RKP5637]

61. Yeah, it's a good analogy, Santorum = McCarthy. I can't begin to imagine all of

the paranoid delusional crap he would usher in as pres.

[padruig]

51. Marriage Equality

Mr. Santorum needs to keep his hands out of my wife's womb and his 'policy' ideas out of Washington State.

[AtheistCrusader]

52. Get out of my state you shitbag.

I hope you come to DU and read this too, asshole.

[drynberg]

58. Excuse me, but...

did anyone ask Rickkki S. his opinion? 2ndly, does anyone in WA care what HE says? (he clearly doesn't think) 3rdly: It ain't his bin-nuss. 4thly: Rickkki will soon be forgotten as a neverbeen homophobic idiot

[workinclasszero]

63. What happened to States rights? What happened to getting the federal government out

of our business Ricky???

The hypocrisy of teabag republicans knows no bounds!

Republicans are our homegrown Taliban. They will outlaw all birth control, enslave poor kids in nasty sub minimum wage jobs and only allow healthcare for the rich.

Oh and 3 or 4 wars at all times of course!

[Gringostan]

70. How can you call yourself a christian, a man of God...

How can you call yourself a christian, a man of God, and yet be filled with such hate - I just don't get it. Or I do, and it's call hypocrisy, but we're not allowed to demand that he and his ilk defend their claims and expose them for the charlatans they are. Were we a truly civilized country, Santorum would be sitting in a rubber room, not running for president of the USA.

[Volaris]

71. FIRST of all, RICKY...

What the hell happened to the States' Rights argument? (oh yea, that's right, THAT only applies when it works in YOUR favor.)

Secondly...“We need to have a national consensus on this, a national debate..."
Yep, and when you lose that debate OUTRIGHT, will you whine and cry, like you always do? (no need to answer, of COURSE you will)