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Omaha Steve

(99,653 posts)
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 09:51 PM Jun 2013

Phoenix, Las Vegas bake in scorching heat

Source: AP-Excite

By BRIAN SKOLOFF and CHRIS CARLSON

DEATH VALLEY, Calif. (AP) - Scorching heat blistered the Southwest on Saturday, where highs between 115 and 120 degrees were expected for parts of Arizona, Nevada and California through the weekend.

Forecasters said temperatures in sunbaked Las Vegas could match the record of 117 degrees Saturday. Phoenix hit 119 degrees by mid-afternoon, breaking the record for June 29 that was set in 1994. And large swaths of California sweltered under extreme heat warnings, which are expected to last into Tuesday night - and maybe even longer.

Dan Kail was vacationing in Las Vegas when he heard that the temperature at California's Death Valley could approach 130 degrees this weekend. He didn't hesitate to make a trip to the desert location that is typically the hottest place on the planet.

"Coming to Death Valley in the summertime has always been on the top of my bucket list," the 67-year-old Pittsburgh man said. "When I found out it might set a record I rented a car and drove straight over. If it goes above 130 I will have something to brag about."

FULL story at link.


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20130629/DA77MMQ82.html





Mike Bouse of Henderson, Nev., shades himself with an umbrella as he floats in the waters along Boulder Beach at Lake Mead, Saturday, June 29, 2013 near Boulder City, Nev. Bouse and his wife planned to spend most of the day in and out of the water to escape the heat in the Las Vegas area where Saturday's daytime high was expected to reach 117 degrees, the city's all-time high. It was 108 at noon Saturday in Sin City. (AP Photo/Julie Jacobson)

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Phoenix, Las Vegas bake in scorching heat (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jun 2013 OP
only 117 Wheezy Jun 2013 #1
that might be funny... chillfactor Jun 2013 #10
PaLeeeeeeasse!!! AllTooEasy Jun 2013 #13
Nope TM99 Jun 2013 #15
Right On Many Points azbillyboy Jun 2013 #16
I can't disagree with a single thing you wrote. TM99 Jun 2013 #17
Didn't you hear? theHandpuppet Jun 2013 #14
H2OMan recently posted an OP chervilant Jun 2013 #2
Again, I learn something new ChazII Jun 2013 #5
"We don't care. Photosynthesis sounds socialist." Republicans (R) Berlum Jun 2013 #12
Barely broke a 100 up here in the Four Corners. bluedigger Jun 2013 #3
121 in South Scottsdale today dbackjon Jun 2013 #4
That is my side of ChazII Jun 2013 #6
A bit warm dbackjon Jun 2013 #8
What's with the 117 "all time" high? enlightenment Jun 2013 #7
North Los Angeles County SCVDem Jun 2013 #9
Supposed to be 109F in the San Fernando Valley tomorrow. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #11

AllTooEasy

(1,260 posts)
13. PaLeeeeeeasse!!!
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 06:29 AM
Jun 2013

I've lived in Phx for 19 years. I've felt 115+ every year, for several weeks at a time. Felt 120 atleast 5 times. So have the people and animals.

...which by the way aren't stupid enough to sit outside in the sun. Everyone goes in doors or under the shade, including the animals or the owners make them go under the shade. Heck barns/stables out here even have sprinklers and fans for the animals.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a 115+ summer day in Phx is not evidence of global warming or climate change. It would have to reach 130 for that to happen.

The glacial reductions are all the evidence you need. That's a far greater problem than sweating lizards.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
15. Nope
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:58 AM
Jun 2013

Temperatures in Phoenix have indeed been getting hotter and hotter on average for the last two decades. I have lived here 21 years, and it is apparent to me.

Please just do a little research on the actual numbers at NOAA and other weather aggregate sites.

Daily temperatures across the board for the last decade and certainly the last few years have been anywhere from 3º at the low end to 8º on the high end above normal. So yes, while we may have experienced in two decades, an occasional 115º weekend or even a 120º peak day, the overall trending is now upwards. What is occurring this weekend (and it is historic) will become the new 'normal'.

If you add the few degree rise in temperatures from global climate change to the few degrees which are expected to rise in the coming decades due to the urban heat island effect, yes, the new normal may become quite unlivable for large populations. If we further complicate this with historic drought conditions and dust storms, Phoenix in a few decades will not be the 'oasis in the desert' it was 25 years ago.

http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/heat-to-roil-more-fire-weather/14619950

http://www.statepress.com/2012/11/25/researchers-urban-heat-island-effect-more-severe-than-global-warming/

Average daily temperatures in the summer months pushing 120º is not livable no matter what the pollyanna's want to believe.

azbillyboy

(56 posts)
16. Right On Many Points
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 02:00 PM
Jun 2013

I first recall a discussion about upward rising temperatures here in Phoenix back in the 1980s. The biggest reason was urbanization. Paving everything. Creates a heat island. Add in lots of non native vegetation that requires copious amounts of water and presto (thanks to hordes of people flocking here seeking "Mecca&quot : It's warmer!!!!. Higher overall temperatures. Proof? Easy. Drive 25 miles out of town and feel the difference. I live near Deer Valley Airport, which is on the North outskirts of town. it is always a good 10-15 degrees cooler than Sky Harbor Airport where the "official" temperature is taken.

Back in the 1930s before everyone had air conditioning, people would sleep outside on cots to escape the heat trapped in their houses. Now that won't work.

A record setting day like yesterday is really just a news story for the talking heads. Back in the 1990s we had a 120 and a 122 degree day.

What I would look for are more subtle signs.

First let's don't call it a "drought" any more. It's the new norm. That is part of global climate change. It is more arid here and it's not going revert to the good old days. The one exception is the city. There's plenty of water here in Phoenix. All that artificially induced water raises the humidity (and discomfort level). Our forests are dead or dying. Pine beetles and fire are slowly reducing them to ashes.

Most of our rivers and streams are now bone dry. The Agua Fria used to flow almost year round. Now it only flows when it rains.

The heat island used to stop dust storms from washing across the city. Back in the 30s and 40s such events were common. That trended away with urbanization. Now that trend is reversing. More moisture means bigger storms. The last two summers have seen huge dust storms sweep completely across the city. That's a lot of area compared to the dust storms that did the same sixty years ago.

The media now calls this type a storm a Haboob

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haboob

A side note: Last year some old prune wrote in to the the AZ Repugnant, our local tabloid newspaper, complaining about the use of the word "Haboob." "It sounds Arabic" she mused, and "It sounds dirty." No doubt after pecking out her complaint she went back to pleasuring herself while reading the juicier parts of Leviticus....

Until yesterday our summer had been rather mild. It will be interesting to see what happens when the Monsoons hit. They are forming now and, if the last two years are any indication, this year could see some record storms.

If our temperatures continue to rise, and the humidity rises with it, then the metro area will quickly become uninhabitable. Think of Kansas City or St. Louis on steroids. Summers usually see daytime temps near 105 with humidity (daytime) somewhere near 35%. Double that humidity, or only a 40% increase with temps nearing 110 and it's time for all the transplants who moved here (many are the Republican "white flight" crowd from So Cal) to start thinking of where to flee next.

The thing that should really scare everyone living here is how we get our electricity. Long line transmissions. Very vulnerable to failure as part of our highly inefficient and decrepit 1960s infrastructure. One must wonder how much reserve capacity the private utility companies have built into their system. Ha! In the 1990s there was a city wide power failure that only lasted a few hours. Imagine one that lasted for days....

(typed while under the influence of sleep deprivation)

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
17. I can't disagree with a single thing you wrote.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jun 2013

Thank you for elucidating on my points further.

Yes, I have come to accept the 'drought' as the normal. The Haboob's forced my partner and I to find special filters for our A/C unit as we are both prone to lung issues especially when ozone and particulates are at all time highs. The brown cloud is definitely coming back to Phoenix quickly.

Well, yes, May was hot but not 'super' hot. But Summer technically just started on the 22nd, so we are off to a very, very hot start. There are storms predicted about two weeks out, but will they bring rain or walls of dirt?

I don't think the humidity will rise. I suspect Phoenix will become more like Death Valley - very hot, very dry, and livable only for the most insane. Of course, that might be a century from now, and while I am certain I will be dead, I still care about future generations.

I agree with the sleep deprivation as well. I never sleep well when it is this hot. I have made little 'ice packs' to sleep with using a sock filled with rice and then placed in the freezer. Placed over my eyes, it really cools me down with a fan blowing over my body.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
14. Didn't you hear?
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 07:26 AM
Jun 2013

Arizona has proposed a solution to that. Just divert the water from the Great Lakes down to Phoenix so the swimming pools will stay topped and the fairways remain green.

ChazII

(6,205 posts)
5. Again, I learn something new
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:26 PM
Jun 2013

from DU. I do know that my plants' leaves get sunburned and start to turn brown.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
3. Barely broke a 100 up here in the Four Corners.
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:11 PM
Jun 2013

Luckily the wind shifted yesterday, to give us a nice cooling overcast from forest fire smoke.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
7. What's with the 117 "all time" high?
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:34 PM
Jun 2013

I distinctly recall moving house about years ago and it was officially 118. Unofficially, it was 124 in our driveway.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
9. North Los Angeles County
Sat Jun 29, 2013, 10:57 PM
Jun 2013

110 today, hotter tomorrow.

After a certain point you start rooting for the record books.

This kicks the crap out of the home and car A/Cs.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
11. Supposed to be 109F in the San Fernando Valley tomorrow.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:01 AM
Jun 2013

I forecast a few degrees over that, for the simple reason that the forecasts are ALWAYS several degrees less than reality during our heat waves.

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