Syria's Assad says opponents 'used up all tools' to oust regime
Source: The Associated Press
Syrian President Bashar Assad said in an interview published Thursday that his government had fended off everything his enemies had thrown at him and that the only remaining threat to his rule was a far-off and improbable foreign intervention.
In comments to the state-run Al-Thawra newspaper, Assad rejected the idea that what has transpired in Syria for more than two years is a revolution. Instead, he reiterated his past claims that it is a conspiracy by Western and some Arab states to destabilize his country.
Throughout the crisis, Assad has insisted that his government is not facing a popular rebellion, but rather a Western-backed conspiracy against Syria, accusing the rebels fighting to topple his regime of being terrorists, Islamic extremists and mercenaries of the oil-rich Arab Gulf states that are allies of the United States.
"The countries that conspire against Syria have used up all their tools moral, material and psychological and they have nothing left except direct (military) intervention and this is too big for them to attain," Assad said in the interview.
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/07/04/syria-assad-.html
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)arrests, his convictions without trial and his monitoring of everyday life with informants.
More power to them. They aren't oppressive by him or his psycho dead daddy enough. Same thing in North Korea.
David__77
(23,419 posts)Plenty of Syrian-Americans do too. If the insurgents come to power, it's the end of Syrian Christendom and the end of social space for secular people. This is like the Khmer Rouge vs. Lon Nol. Lon Nol was a nasty ruler, but I'd take him any day vs. Pol Pot.
http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/index.php?mod=article&cat=Community&article=7042
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)It is the Communist card, only with "scarier" looking people.
As for Al Qaeda. . .for a terrorist organization that's been subjected to the assassin of it's leader and countless #2 men (under Bush), it sure has the ability to franchise its product.
Your last statement: Khmer Rouge v. Lon Nol.
Rhee Syngman v. Kim Il Sung
Mao Zedong v. Jiang Jie Shi
Ho Chi Minh v. Ngo Dinh Diem
Batista v. Fidel Castro
Brutal capitalist despots v. Brutal Communist despots. We're back in the cold war. So long as the US Government supports them, their brutality is acceptable.
I keep hearing Phil Ochs.
Duckwraps
(206 posts)John2
(2,730 posts)of Assad's latest interviews with certain press people. He does not come off like the monster this poster is claiming if you read his interviews. in fact, he comes off more intellectually smarter, than any Middle East leader. His interviews are very impressive, and I can see why people support him. He comes off definitely more smarter than Netanyahu, Erodogen, or any of those monarchs.
They ask him about a lot of issues and he always give a well thought out answer. He says, that he doesn't believe in mixing religion with politics. He claims that he is willing to talk to anybody , even the Muslim Brotherhood, but them using religion to separate Arabs is divisive and only serves the purpose of Israel and the U.S. He seems to be very knowledgeable about how the West divide and conquer nations. He claims dividing up Syria serves only Israel's and the West purposes, which religious extremists like the Muslim Brotherhood plays into. They attract poor Arabs and people that are not that well informed or educated. He claims the Muslim Brotherhood just wants power. He does not come off like a Saddam Hussein or a religious fanatic. He doesn't evade any question.
He claims the main reason the United States wants to bring down his Government, is because they are against Israel and a strong backer of the Palestinians. He claims Hezbullah is part of that resistance also. The United States is not an honest broker in the Middle East when it comes to Israel. He claims the Muslim Brotherhood is bad for their resistance, because they divide Arabs along sectarian lines. He believes anybody that eats a human being is full of hate and has nothing to do with any religion. He says Islam doesn't even teach Muslims that.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)because they are against Israel and a strong backer of the Palestinians."
Right. This is a great technique to stay in power and rally support. Anything he wants to do as dictator can be protected because of course the only reason why people want to bring him down is because of Israel.
Right. Because the rebel groups that are fighting against him would be strong backers of Israel. That's the ticket.
It's amazing that people buy his BS because he is able to not come off like a monster and gives "impressive" interviews.
John2
(2,730 posts)his B.S.,I also agree with him. To be frank with you, I don't care too much for your opposition leaders. If they are the people, that you are wanting to be in charge of Syria, I think Syria will be better off. Does this guy Sabra think he is going to be the President of Syria? How about this General Idriss? Who are these people in the opposition that you are claiming should be the Goverment of Syria. This guy Sabara has been living in the United States and became a naturalized citizen of Texas. I guarantee you he is a neocon implant. This Dude has all kinda ties with corporate America. He probably has ties with the Bushes too out of Texas. He also calls himself a Christian doesn't he? So, you don't think he will sell out Arabs to Israel? So from an Alawite, to an American Christian being in charge of Syria?
What they want to do is divide Syria up, into a Kurd portion,Alawite portion, Christian portion and an Sunni portion. It is the same as Jordan. Syria will cease to be a country. This is better for Israel. President Assad has figured it out and so are more Syrians beginning to figure it out. They are using religion to divide Arabs up, so they become weaker. Religious extremism are Arabs, weakness, the same as different tribes of Africa, or Native Americans were.
Have failed in Afghanistan, we had to invade. They failed in Egypt, the Egyptian Army sent them packing. Why would anyone think they could get it right in Syria. And it is the Sunni who are the rebels.
UnseenUndergrad
(249 posts)"The Sunni" are also 90% of the Muslim population and a majority in Syria. They have plenty of their own countries (many whome are shipping arms and funds directly to Islamist idiots to the detriment of the FSA, if that is your point). It's mostly Shi'ite Hizbollah and Iran along with Orthodox Russia that are helping Assad and his side.
WovenGems
(776 posts)The Sunni believe in a Sharia Law type system. This is what led to many of the problems in Egypt and Afghanistan. Syria doesn't have a military capable of making an only the fly adjustment if the new admin goes berserk, Egypt did. Thus, Russia didn't want to take a chance with regime change. And I wonder what Israel really wants to happen in Syria.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Didn't lessen their monstrosity.
(and besides, this supposed "secularism" of the al-Assad regime is nothing more than for show, anyhow, as was the supposed "advancement" of women we keep hearing about, the latter of which was itself not just for show, but probably mostly bullshit as well; at least in Egypt, ALL women did have some basic rights, particularly in the pre-Mubarak era.)
John2
(2,730 posts)between oratory and intellectual capacity. Hitler nor Mussolini had the intellectual capacity or educational level of Assad. They never hid the fact in any speech either about their beliefs in racial superiority. If you want to compare people to Hitler, then you need to look at significant groups of the rebels. I can also point you to some Neocons and the right in America also, with racist views about their superiority and warmongering. Look no further than your own back yard. And as far as atrocities or propaganda, look no further than the rebels. They are even trying to put the death of that 14 year old boy on the Assad regime now. They are lying about who used chemical weapons too. When you know a side keeps many secrets, then you know they got something to hide from the people. When they start censoring information and only allow people to hear what they want, then you know who is guilty of propaganda. Especially if the otherside allows all information and rebutts it, point by point. Why aren't the regime's views just as accessible as the rebels and the Administration on here? Let people make up their own minds who is telling the Truth. As far as I'm concerned, the rebels are liars. And don't let me get started with our Government or her Allies, especially the Israelis.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Obviously, Oberliner, the Sunni Jihadis aren't fighting for Israel, but it is the Saudis and Gulf Emirs that are paying most of them. For Israel, this Arab-killing-Arab (and Persian) conflict can only be a Win-Win so long as it can be contained outside Israeli walls.
pampango
(24,692 posts)running Syria rather than Assad? Israel would be foolish to prefer that Syria be ruled by religious fundamentalists with a fierce hatred of Israel's existence rather than by a secular dictator who has left them alone for 40 years.
You might have a point as far as Israel supporting the jihadis only enough to try to weaken Assad but not enough that they actually oust him. That would be a mistake on their part, IMHO. If Assad wins he will be unlikely to go back to the "good ol' days" of leaving Israel alone. He will owe Hezbollah and Iran for all of their support. And he will want to pay Israel back if he thinks that it supported the opposition to him.
So if Israel has a de facto alliance with Sunni jihadists they are either stupid or short-sighted.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)to the goal of weakening Iran's sphere of influence. I'm not commenting on the rationality and efficacy of that strategy on the part of Israel and the U.S., but that is largely what's driving this. That has been evident for at least 15 years going back to the 1997 Neocon "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" document: http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)John2
(2,730 posts)you are a Tunisian citizen? I don't think you understand American Democracy, the way I do? I get to decide who is telling the truth. Nobody does it for me. Next time, I get to vote, President Obama will know, that I disagree with him on the Middle East. Do you have that right in this country? And I will definately persuade my friends also. I would also like the rebels to quit asking our country for handouts. I can't be more clearer on that.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)I can tell that democracy do not give judgment to everybody.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Of course, you won't hear this from our controlled mainstream media who absolutely insist that the M.B. isn't the evil organization that many know it is and that the F.S.A. are ALL Islamists(when in fact, there has been a large secularist/moderate component that have been trying to keep the rotten Islamist jihadists away from the seats of power.).....
John2
(2,730 posts)people, that you are calling secularist components? I hope you are not talking about the frauds heading the Syrian National Council? What do you know about George Sabara? And who is paying this General Idriss? He claims that he commands 80,000 troops now huh?
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I'm sure that the media and the Republican Party will be all too eager to deny this, but there are indeed still secular components within the F.S.A.(and hopefully it stays that way!).
pampango
(24,692 posts)The Free Syrian Army
The Free Syrian Army, or FSA, is the largest group within the Syrian armed opposition. It is an umbrella group comprising small, ideologically moderate, and uncoordinated militias and battalions operating at local levels. ... The FSA is made up of small, localized battalions from all across Syria, organized loosely through provincial military councils. These battalions tend to fight in small geographic areas in defense of their hometowns and are less ideologically driven than others. It is estimated that there are as many as 50,000 fighters who align themselves with the FSA.
The Syrian Liberation Front
The Syrian Liberation Front, or SLF, also known as the Syrian Islamic Liberation Front or Jabhat al-Tahrir al-Souriya al-Islamiya, is an alliance of approximately 20 brigades and battalions across Syria. An estimated 37,000 fighters are affiliated with the SLF, making it the largest coalition of rebels independent of the Free Syrian Army. ... SLF-affiliated groups are considered to be ideologically moderate Islamists, putting them at odds with some of the extremist groups operating in the country.
The Syrian Islamic Front
The Syrian Islamic Front, or SIF, also known as Jabhat al-Islamiya al-Tahrir al-Souriya, is an alliance of approximately 11 brigades and battalions across Syria, most notably the Ahrar al-Sham brigades. An estimated 13,000 fighters are affiliated with the SIF. SIF-affiliates are viewed as conservative Salafists, who are more religiously motivated than the Free Syrian Army or the Syrian Liberation Front. Most SIF-affiliated groups, however, are considered to be Syrian nationalists that dont share the most extreme ideological elements of Al Qaeda-affiliated groups such as support for a transnational Islamic caliphate.
The Nusra Front
The Nusra Front, also known as Jabhat al-Nusra, is an Al Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group, comprising approximately 6,000 foreign and domestic fighters. The Nusra Front has reportedly been receiving significant funding, arms, and training from Al-Qaeda and the Al Qaeda-affiliated group, Islamic State of Iraq. Some of Nusras fighters are foreign jihadists, many of whom are veterans of the Iraqi insurgency; it is unclear, however, what percentage of the Nusra Fronts supporters are foreign fighters as opposed to Syrian nationals.
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/security/report/2013/05/14/63221/the-structure-and-organization-of-the-syrian-opposition/
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Intellectual of the anti-imperialist left were so much in love have the Khmer Rouges before we discover their horrors.
Today they do the same with the dictators who pretend to oppose in Israel, they don't care whether it is psychopaths.
ForeignandDomestic
(190 posts)I guess they love them as much as we love our torture rooms at Gitmo and the less profile black sites we have all over the world.
America is in no moral position at this moment and maybe have never been to call out anyone.
I see you went from Syria then jumped all the way to North Korea, why no words of encouragement for the people under the repressive regimes of Saudia Arabia and the rest of the Gulf Monarchs?
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)ForeignandDomestic
(190 posts)If you will torture and murder one innocent life, you could murder a thousand.
And by torture and murder I mean Drone bombing weddings killing innocent children, women and men.
John2
(2,730 posts)these prisoners in Syria and what crimes they committed? Assad didn't lie about controling what he thought was religious fanatics, such as the Muslim Brotherhood and Tafiris. I just couldn't argue with him if they tried to restrict my religious rights and pushed their religion on me. Of course I'm not that religious, but if the Muslim Brotherhood tried that stunt with me, it means War period. I don't care how many idiots support them. I'm not scared to fight for what I believe in either. People should keep their religion to themselves. Now if you have evidence, he kept them from housing, healthcare or the basic necessities of life, then prove it! But if it is about preventing people from pushing their religious beliefs on others, you are looking at the wrong place for support. Our own Constitution supports the rights of minorities.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Human Rights groups, such as Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, have detailed how Bashar's government and secret police routinely tortured, imprisoned, and killed political opponents, and those who speak out against the government. Since 2006 it expanded the use of travel bans against dissidents. In that regard, Syria is the worst offender among Arab states.
"During its decades of rule... the Assad family developed a strong political safety net by firmly integrating the military into the government. In 1970, Hafez al-Assad, Bashars father, seized power after rising through the ranks of the Syrian armed forces, during which time he established a network of loyal Alawites by installing them in key posts. In fact, the military, ruling elite, and ruthless secret police are so intertwined that it is now impossible to separate the Assad government from the security establishment.... So... the government and its loyal forces have been able to deter all but the most resolute and fearless oppositional activists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad
Amnesty International Documents Torture Inside Syria on a Scale Not Seen for Decades
(New York) -- Individuals caught up in the massive wave of arrests during the Syrian uprising are being tortured on a scale not seen inside Syria for decades, Amnesty International reported today, based on interviews with victims and eyewitnesses who escaped to Jordan.
The scale of torture and other ill-treatment in Syria is reminiscent of the dark era of the 1970s and 1980s under President Hafez al-Assad, the father of the current president.
Amnesty International said that the testimonies of torture survivors presented yet more evidence of crimes against humanity being committed by the Syrian government under President Bashar al-Assad.
In its report released the day before the one-year anniversary of the start of mass protests in Syria, the human rights organization said individuals arrested and detained for being involved in the protests described a set pattern of torture which began with severe beatings upon arrest.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/amnesty-international-documents-torture-inside-syria-on-a-scale-not-seen-for-decades
There has never been a dictator who did not use his secret police to arrest, imprison and often torture his political opponents and those who speak out too publicly. Dictators do not stay on power with the consent of the governed but through fear and repression.
Assad may be no worse than some dictators - his father, the Shah of Iran and the latest North Korean family dictator come to mind - but no one believes that he only arrests, tortures and often kills just jihadists. Well, I shouldn't say that no one believes that. But very few believe it and Amnesty International is definitely not one of them.[/ i]
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)What to call them is decided by the winner. Turned out fairly well for US and France. Not so well for others. As noted above, most often one despot is replaced by another. Thats probably the case in Syria.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
pampango
(24,692 posts)others since. That does not mean that the aspirations that underly revolutions are bad things.
Indeed, failed revolutions (one despot replacing another) do not quell the aspirations, but hopefully teach a lesson on how to improve the results of the next revolution. France had several revolutions (which 'failed' to one degree or another) over a period of decades and have ended up with a democracy that those early (failed) revolutionaries might be proud of.
There are fewer despots in the world today than a few decades ago so there is progress.