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grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:19 AM Feb 2012

Foreclosure abuse rampant across U.S., experts say - Reuters

The audit of almost 400 foreclosures in San Francisco found that 84 percent of them appeared to be illegal, according to the study released by the California city on Wednesday.

"The audit in San Francisco is the most detailed and comprehensive that has been done - but it's likely those numbers are comparable nationally," Diane Thompson, an attorney at the National Consumer Law Center, told Reuters.
........

John O'Brien, the register of deeds for Essex County in northwestern Massachusetts, conducted an audit of loans issued in 2010 and found 75 percent of the assignments to be invalid and a further 9 percent questionable.
..........

One of the major problems that has emerged in the foreclosure crisis is that it is far from clear that many lenders foreclosing on properties actually own the loans and have the right to take action against them. In many cases during the housing bubble that burst in 2008, original mortgages were repackaged and sold to so many investors that it is now unclear who actually holds the loans


http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/17/us-usa-housing-defaults-idUSTRE81G04M20120217

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Foreclosure abuse rampant across U.S., experts say - Reuters (Original Post) grahamhgreen Feb 2012 OP
there are no comments here because The Blue Flower Feb 2012 #1
It isn't a surprise but it IS shocking how bad it is lunatica Feb 2012 #2
They won't stop until people start going to jail. K&R - n/t DeSwiss Feb 2012 #3
Agreed. Serious prision time. n/t SomeGuyInEagan Feb 2012 #5
Yeah... kenfrequed Feb 2012 #13
Exactly. It costs money to comply with the law. Hosnon Feb 2012 #7
In related news dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #4
Could this be a trend... CoffeeCat Feb 2012 #14
What they actually said in the tv article dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #20
This story is basically correct, but fails to articulate the real nefariousness. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #6
Great explanation - deserves it's own OP! grahamhgreen Feb 2012 #9
Thank you. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #15
The destruction of America's wealth by the banks and stock market lovuian Feb 2012 #10
AND every recording requires a fee... YvonneCa Feb 2012 #11
That's one part of it. EFerrari Feb 2012 #17
BINGO. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #18
It is. It's a huge organized fraud on American homeowners. EFerrari Feb 2012 #19
Fedup Queer, I’d be delighted to take a seat next to you. ms.smiler Feb 2012 #21
so you are saying the banks and MERS onethatcares Feb 2012 #24
My mortgage transfers weren't recorded in MERS or the Country Clerk's public records. tridim Feb 2012 #23
Here's the deal. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #25
We better let them all go with a few minor financial penalties, LOL just1voice Feb 2012 #8
these greedy lenders are deep in Epic Fail teritory. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #12
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2012 #16
recommended Bill USA Feb 2012 #22
Kick! sarcasmo Feb 2012 #26

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
2. It isn't a surprise but it IS shocking how bad it is
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:41 PM
Feb 2012

It's scary to think that so much has been kept in the dark while the 1% keep ravaging this country for profit. May the exposures continue.

I'm really trying not to get too jaded, but it's hard. It makes me wonder how many homeowners are also in this group, but just haven't been foreclosed on yet.

One thing I will say. The tide has turned.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
13. Yeah...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 03:13 PM
Feb 2012

Fraud is a crime and so is forgery. When are they going to charge these banks with forgery and fraud?

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
4. In related news
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 12:55 PM
Feb 2012

Banks Paying Homeowners to Avoid Foreclosures.

Banks, accelerating efforts to move troubled mortgages off their books, are offering as much as $35,000 or more in cash to delinquent homeowners to sell their properties for less than they owe.

Lenders have routinely delayed or blocked such transactions, known as short sales, in which they accept less from a buyer than the seller’s outstanding loan. Now banks have decided the deals are faster and less costly than foreclosures, which have slowed in response to regulatory probes of abusive practices. Banks are nudging potential sellers by pre-approving deals, streamlining the closing process, forgoing their right to pursue unpaid debt and in some cases providing large cash incentives, said Bill Fricke, senior credit officer for Moody’s Investors Service in New York.

Losses for lenders are about 15 percent lower on the sales than on foreclosures, which can take years to complete while taxes and legal, maintenance and other costs accumulate, according to Moody’s. The deals accounted for 33 percent of financially distressed transactions in November, up from 24 percent a year earlier, said CoreLogic Inc., a Santa Ana, California-based real estate information company.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-07/banks-paying-homeowners-a-bonus-to-avoid-foreclosures-mortgages.html

That's from last week but they were discussing it live on Bloomberg today - afternoon UK time,

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
14. Could this be a trend...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 03:14 PM
Feb 2012

...because foreclosures could cause more legal headaches for the banks? If people who've been foreclosed upon get wise--and
come back at the bank and ask them to produce the note--and they can't--those homeowners could sue.

If the bank pays you in cash, the deal is done and the deal is legal. No recourse for the homeowner.

As the details of all of this fraud comes to light--most homeowners who were foreclosed upon--are going to learn that they
were probably illegally removed from their home. Many of those people will sue.

I think banks are bribing people with cash to avoid some of that.

The corruption and slimy tactics by the banks--continues like a never-ending river of financial abuse perpetrated on the
citizens of this country.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
20. What they actually said in the tv article
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 03:49 PM
Feb 2012

was that they'd found that when the owners did move out they tend to leave the home in far better condition as a bi-product of the inducement so the funders in effect get a partial refund back. Whereas last week the figure mentioned was 35k today they said 40k.

 

FedUp_Queer

(975 posts)
6. This story is basically correct, but fails to articulate the real nefariousness.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 01:23 PM
Feb 2012

The real culprit here is MERS. Short for Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems, it was a strawman the banks set up so that they could create the mortgage backed securities market. Here is the deal.

Typically, as most people know, when a person transfers a property, they have record the mortgage at the county clerk's office. This is the system set up for two reasons. First to put the world on notice of who has a lien (an entitlement to prevent transfer) against a property (the person who has the lien is the "lienor&quot . Second, it's so the owner of the property (the borrower) can always know who actually owns the lien (known as the mortgage). The thing is that the law requires that every time the owner of the lien transfers it to someone else, the new person must "record" the new mortgage (why that is, I won't get into) and pay the clerk a fee to record.

Now, after our genius banks devised the scheme to package Mortgage backed securities together, they realized that every time they sold the packaged mortgages, they would have to record the transfer and pay the fee. The way around this was to set up the strawman MERS. When a person borrowed money, they agreed to have MERS serve as the agent (the precise term they use in the loan documents is "nominee&quot of the bank...and any bank to which any other bank transfers the mortgage. So, at the country clerk's office, the only mortgage was the one naming MERS as the mortgagee (or the owner of the mortgage). The borrower (or anyone else) was supposed to be able to go to MERS's website to find out the actual mortgagee/bank who owned the lien. Now...with MERS as the nominee/agent of most banks simultaneously, the banks could transfer the mortgages as many times as possible without having to record and without having to pay the recording fee. Because MERS served as the nominee/agent of any bank, if MERS held it, any bank held it.

The problem is that there are several studies (like the one in the OP) that show that MERS' record-keeping is extremely poor and that even if a borrower goes to MERS' website to find out who owns the loan, it's exceedingly unreliable.

Finally, the really sketchy part is that MERS "appoints" officials of the banks to act on MERS' behalf to assign mortgages to themselves...this is where the robosigning came in. MERS' (incidentally, which is supposed to be the agent of the banks, not the other way around) appoints John Smith bank official as MERS' official to "assign" mortgages that MERS holds (for bank) to bank when bank wants to foreclose.

The whole thing is designed to skirt the recording requirements. The problem is, these geniuses on Wall Street never considered what would happen if people's homes were underwater or they couldn't pay. So, we have the situation where there is no mechanism to know who actually owns what, who assigned what to whom and where the records are that show this.

**Little factoid. In Michael Moore's "Capitalism A Love Story," he mentions a company from Flint that was foreclosing on loans. That is MERS.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
10. The destruction of America's wealth by the banks and stock market
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 02:19 PM
Feb 2012

has been deliberate and planned
Economic Hitman
The Federal Reserve under Greenspan should be arrested and placed in jail for
complicity in their destruction of America's families wealth

Greenspan's decreasing of interest rates was the engine that started all of this


it has ramifications throughout the World

the incredible part is no one has gone to jail

until this white collar crime is PUNISHED
they will continue on

It has to really hurt to be paying a mortgage in which the property is worth less

this is still going on

What they want is to take over sovereignty using the excuse of austerity measures

This will cause a WWIII


YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
11. AND every recording requires a fee...
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 02:32 PM
Feb 2012

...to be paid to the county (at least in California). That is a tax that counties relied upon as part of their income...and it stopped. At a time when counties are struggling financially.

I always wonder where the title insurance companies are in all of this...

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
17. That's one part of it.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 03:27 PM
Feb 2012

Another is that banks have their loan servicers "help" borrowers modify loans while another department of the same loan servicers foreclose on them. The loan servicers get paid twice and the borrowers lose their home which they never really had a shot at keeping because the loan servicers aren't acting in good faith, which is illegal.

 

FedUp_Queer

(975 posts)
18. BINGO.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 03:35 PM
Feb 2012

Not only that, but often Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae (entities we bailed out and currently fund) own most of the loans and the banks serve as the servicers...except when they don't. The whole thing is a damn shell game designed to confuse and perpetrate a huge sleight of hand.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
19. It is. It's a huge organized fraud on American homeowners.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 03:48 PM
Feb 2012

It's not only homeowners, either. It's also people who had small real estate investments like small apartment or offce buildings. They put their money in real estate because it was safer than Wall Street.

And the Obama administration decided not to lift a finger except to grease the skids with the HAMP honeypot.

I tried to explain this to Thom Hartmann two years ago and I think he thought I was nuts.

ms.smiler

(551 posts)
21. Fedup Queer, I’d be delighted to take a seat next to you.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 04:14 PM
Feb 2012

Permit me to add the next chapter.

Yes, the banks avoided paying billions of dollars to our Recorder of Deeds offices by using MERS, their own private land records system.

The original mortgage lien was filed in our public land records while the banks used MERS to track the subsequent transfers. That blend of private and public land records permitted the banks to create an illusion for homeowners and our courts that they could use to their great advantage.

After the loans were written and the liens filed, the loans were sold off for securitization on Wall Street. Trustees were supposed to properly and legally have all loan paperwork in order which included an Assignment of Mortgage filed in our land records in favor of the Trust that owned the loan.

That rarely if ever happened. Those Assignments should have been filed in our public land records within 90 days, while the Trusts remained open because once they closed, they could no longer legally obtain loans. This is part of the securities fraud that took place on Wall Street with mortgage backed securities because they weren’t actually backed by anything of value.

While the loans were pledged to Trusts, the loans were subject to a Pooling & Servicing Agreement which governed how payments were applied within the Trust. There were Credit Default Swaps & Credit Enhancements which impacted the accounting of the loans. This loan accounting was never combined with the separate & partial accounting that was maintained for homeowners on Main Street.

The banksters designed the MBS to fail and had purchased Credit Default Swaps, (insurance) for themselves at sometimes twice the value of the loans. The MBS market failed as planned, and the banksters collected their Swaps, profiting handsomely.

The banks collected again on the loans when they sold the failed MBS to the buyers of last resort, the U.S. government and the Federal Reserve.

The banks aren’t owed any money on mortgage loans.

Meanwhile, sitting in our public land records, is the original mortgage lien with the loan originator. All it takes is a fraudulent Assignment of Mortgage from the loan originator to another party and that party can claim to own the loan.

Often, in foreclosure cases, there is an Assignment filed from the loan originator to a new party and the loan originator had closed and ceased operations years earlier, which is a glaring signal that the Assignment is fraudulent.

MERS at one point was the Nominee in about 70 million mortgage loans I believe. MERS has no employees yet claims to have over 20,000 Assistant Secretaries and Vice Presidents who sign Assignments of Mortgage, Satisfactions of Mortgage and Affidavits.

There have been 3 incarnations of MERS, and at no point in their history, did they ever create any Assistant Secretaries or Vice Presidents as required by Delaware law where they are incorporated.

Even if the actual person named Linda Green had signed your Satisfaction of Mortgage, she had no legal authority to sign any such document as a MERS officer.

At this point, this post strikes upon my own story and lawsuit, if it is of interest to anyone: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2412603

Document mills and robo-signing exist because in essence the banksters used the loans to defraud investors & taxpayers while the liens are used to defraud homeowners. After the loan is used to collect money multiple times for the banks, they make use of the lien, document mills and "robo-signing" to recreate the loan and steal real property from homeowners.

I’m hoping that homeowners not only come to understand their securitized mortgages, but also come to understand how securitization created gaps and breaks in their property Titles.

It takes a great deal of forgery, perjury and fraud upon the court to simulate ownership of mortgage loans in foreclosure actions. I’d like homeowners to ask themselves what level of fraud is necessary at this moment, to simulate ownership of their own timely paid mortgage loans.

Rather than spend decades paying a mortgage when I wouldn’t ever receive a valid Deed and have clear Title, I filed a Quiet Title action. Someone owes me much more money in damages than I MIGHT still owe on my mortgage loan.

onethatcares

(16,192 posts)
24. so you are saying the banks and MERS
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:40 PM
Feb 2012

should really be prosecuted under RICO statutes due to them being an ongoing criminal enterprise.

I would agree with that statement, and you have a much better way with words than I do.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
23. My mortgage transfers weren't recorded in MERS or the Country Clerk's public records.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 06:33 PM
Feb 2012

I was foreclosed on 18 months ago.

I'm very interested to see what happens with this recent settlement. I won't get my house back, but I certainly want heads to roll. Chase's lawyer told me specifically that mortgage transfers didn't have to be recorded at all! I wish I had that statement on tape.

 

FedUp_Queer

(975 posts)
25. Here's the deal.
Fri Feb 17, 2012, 11:59 PM
Feb 2012

I didn't want to get too technical because this stuff can't get really hairy. Now, it depends upon the state, but technically, no, a transferee** does not have to record a mortgage to make a transfer (the term is "assignment&quot valid (I should have been more nuanced in how I wrote what I wrote). Now, you're probably asking: "WTF?"

As I said above, there are two reasons banks record a mortgage. First, banks do it to put the world on notice they have the right to "encumber" aka "prevent" transfer in order to protect their asset (the property). Second, so that the borrower can know who owns the mortgage. Now, again, this begs the question: If recording is not a requirement for a valid assignment, why do it? Here is why. I will explain by example.

Suppose person X goes to buy a house and seeks to obtain financing from the Bank. X borrows the money from the Bank and signs the promissory note. X then executes a mortgage in favor of the Bank as security, giving the bank the right to take the house back if the borrower defaults. The bank then records the mortgage. In most states, when someone records, the law imputes knowledge of the bank's mortgage onto everyone in the world. Now, suppose X wants to sell the house to Y. Y's "people" go down to the county clerk's office and see the mortgage there. Now Y knows that it either has to pay off the remaining loan that X took out (to satisfy the lien) or assume the loan (if the bank finds Y sufficiently credit-worthy). This is how it's supposed to work.

However, here is where the utility of the recording system comes in. Suppose the above (X purchases the house and X's bank records), but X finds sucker Z to buy the house. Sucker Z buys the house, his bank does not check to see if there's a mortgage and "buys" the house from X. Z executes a mortgage and Z records. Of course, X stops paying after moving out. The bank comes after X and says it is going to take the house. The thing is, Z is living there and paying another bank. X's bank sues and says "wait a minute, we recorded first, we have priority." So, X's bank says: someone still owes us the money we lent X. Because X's bank recorded the mortgage, X's bank's mortgage/lien is superior to Z's bank's mortgage/lien.

Now, suppose X buys the house, but X's bank does not record the mortgage. Now, X sells the house to Y in an "arms-length transaction" (meaning no fraud or they aren't in cahoots.) Y records his mortgage. Now X stops paying. X's bank brings a foreclosure suit to take the house, but Y is living there. Now, because Y recorded (and X didn't), Y is known as a "bona fide purchase for value." Y is the innocent party here. X's bank has lost the possibility of foreclosure because it didn't record and Y did. This is where recording has value.

As I said, there other nuances regarding these scenarios, but this gives the gist of how the recording statutes work and what their usefulness is. I hope nobody's brain is hurting too much. If you want to know more, there are good articles on Wikipedia. Among the types of states are race jurisdictions, notice jurisdictions or race-notice jurisdictions.


**Let me define the terms: 1) transferor - the who transfers; 2) transferee - the one to whom the transferor transfers; 3) promissory note - the contract where the bank agrees to lend and the borrower agrees to repay the money; 4) mortgage - the lien (let's say "conditional entitlement to property&quot that the bank has to take back the property if the borrower defaults; 5) mortgagor - the borrower. I know this can sound backwards. However, it is the borrower who has just purchased the property so is its owner. The borrower executes the mortgage in favor of the bank which is the mortgagee

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