Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:08 PM Jul 2013

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Arrest PHOTOS: New Pictures Emerge From Boston Bombing Suspect Manhunt (UPDATE)

Source: huffingtonpost.com

A Massachusetts State Police officer has released never-before-seen photos of Boston bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, which show him bloodied and bruised as sniper teams take aim at his head.

UPDATE 9 p.m. EST: Boston Magazine editor John Wolfson tweeted that Murphy has been relieved of duty, though not yet fired, and has been ordered not to speak to media:
@johnwolfson
John Wolfson
Sgt. Sean Murphy has been relieved of duty. Post coming shortly.
July 19, 2013 12:40 am via HootSuite Reply Retweet Favorite

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/18/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-new-arrest-photos_n_3619835.html

48 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Arrest PHOTOS: New Pictures Emerge From Boston Bombing Suspect Manhunt (UPDATE) (Original Post) Grassy Knoll Jul 2013 OP
I think he's dreamy with that red dot on his forehead NoOneMan Jul 2013 #1
yes, much better than the 'rock star' treatment! Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #18
doesn't look like he needs a wheel chair, right? temmer Jul 2013 #31
oh can't wait to hear his story for this, what a hoot that'll be! Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #34
have you seen the video? temmer Jul 2013 #45
Wheelchair Why Syzygy Jul 2013 #48
two links about his care sheshe2 Jul 2013 #47
Glad these were posted flamingdem Jul 2013 #2
I gotta go with this one: MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #3
I remember that photo and story and it flamingdem Jul 2013 #4
It *is* a-okay MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #6
Wow, your neighborhood! flamingdem Jul 2013 #8
It was pretty funny waking up at 5 AM, firing up the news on the iPad MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #9
I would welcome de-icing my car leftynyc Jul 2013 #43
Uh huh BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #17
Boston did good that night, sheshe2 Jul 2013 #11
Yeah, it all worked pretty well MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #13
A little spoiling never hurt anyone. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #16
I don't Get "Relived of Duty".... Grassy Knoll Jul 2013 #5
Well I guess you have to be from Boston... sheshe2 Jul 2013 #7
Didn't explain WHY the photog guy was placed on Grassy Knoll Jul 2013 #10
Try #12. freshwest Jul 2013 #14
No clue~ sheshe2 Jul 2013 #15
Yes, he took what belonged to both the defense and prosecution, state's evidence. freshwest Jul 2013 #29
Oh god...here we go again. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #39
The second of two replies to you, Sheshe, on what Boston has endured: freshwest Jul 2013 #30
It's not a secret. It's evidence that might compromise the defense or the prosecution. freshwest Jul 2013 #12
Well said freshwest! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #19
It's understandable that he made them public flamingdem Jul 2013 #20
hear hear! Divine Discontent Jul 2013 #21
and the brainwashing goes on temmer Jul 2013 #22
He is being treated like a human being. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #24
He was denied his Miranda rights temmer Jul 2013 #25
Not giving him his miranda warning, and respecting his fifth amendment right AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #28
He was taken to one the best hospitals, Beth Israel Deaconess... sheshe2 Jul 2013 #36
Unreal, she! "brainwashing" because they're Cha Jul 2013 #41
Those are exactly the PERFECT pictures to remember him by. His legacy. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #23
I don't understand you temmer Jul 2013 #26
I accept, based on the public evidence that he is a murdering scumbag. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #27
okay - accepted temmer Jul 2013 #32
I also accept that some will doubt the charges against him. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #33
and your reasons? sheshe2 Jul 2013 #37
link sheshe2 Jul 2013 #38
Ok, the Rolling Stone pictures were a bit romantic (in the Lord Byron sort of way) daleo Jul 2013 #35
The reason that fundies don't like these photos released Fearless Jul 2013 #40
Boston police Sgt. Sean Murphy is a whistleblower temmer Jul 2013 #42
fuck that worthless piece of shit - he's not a victim Baclava Jul 2013 #44
13 surgeries, more to come, and her children affected too. Real people, real pain. freshwest Jul 2013 #46
 

temmer

(358 posts)
31. doesn't look like he needs a wheel chair, right?
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:09 AM
Jul 2013

yet after the arrest, he needed one for a couple of weeks

According to The Associated Press, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is up and walking and told his mother in a recent phone conversation that he's innocent of last month's Boston Marathon bombings.



The chat took place last week, with reports confirming that Tsarnaev walked without a wheelchair for the first time since his arrest.



- See more at: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/stars/dzhokhar-tsarnaev/#sthash.3SvpithT.dpuf

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
34. oh can't wait to hear his story for this, what a hoot that'll be!
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:20 AM
Jul 2013

don't know how he's going to overcome the video they have, and the guy who was kidnapped/carjacked.

 

temmer

(358 posts)
45. have you seen the video?
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 09:49 AM
Jul 2013

I bet not. Nobody has seen it apart from the police.

this is what makes me suspicious. They show video snippets with the brothers before the bombings, but keep the crucial video in secrecy - where he drops his bag and abandons it 10 seconds before the explosion.

And if the video is so superbly evident, why does Carmen Ortiz needs to summon 80 to 100 witnesses?




Why Syzygy

(18,928 posts)
48. Wheelchair
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jul 2013

I share your suspicions around this case.

However, in that photo he looks like he is straddling the side of the boat.
There's no evidence that he is standing on two legs in that image.

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
47. two links about his care
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jul 2013

Nurses talk about caring for Dzhokhar Tsarnaev
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/20/newser-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-nurses/2326539/

Nine trauma nurses at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center were asked to care for suspected Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev -- and though many were uncomfortable with the idea, all of them agreed. The Boston Globe walks us through the six days they spent with Tsarnaev, from the four checkpoints they had to walk through to get to their patient's room, to the guilt some of them feel for having done a good job. They found themselves treating Tsarnaev differently than other patients -- not discussing current events with him, for example -- yet they sometimes stumbled into old habits, with one realizing she called him "hon," for instance.

snip

Though details of Tsarnaev's specific treatment are shielded by privacy laws, during their 12-hour shifts the nurses would have given him typical ICU care: checking wounds, asking about pain, monitoring vitals -- all with FBI agents stationed in the room.

One atypical thing they also did: attended special counseling sessions.

Explains another nurse, "When you step away, you take it in. I am compassionate, that's what we do. But should I be?"



Tsarnaev Is Getting Care and High Security
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323528404578451170316944906.html

The federal medical center in Massachusetts where the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing is being held blends high-security prison cells with hospital rooms.


The 60 on-staff nurses and health professionals are trained corrections officers, who spend three weeks each year practicing firearms skills and techniques to restrain prisoners, among other things, at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Glynco, Ga., Mr. Colautti said.


Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19 years old, is being treated for gunshot wounds in his throat, head and legs that he received during confrontations with police days after the April 15 bombing. He was listed as being in fair condition at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center before being transferred early Friday to the Federal Medical Center Devens, about 40 miles west of Boston at Fort Devens army base.

Government and hospital officials didn't comment on the reason for the transfer or Mr. Tsarnaev's current condition, but experts said the higher security offered at Devens likely contributed to the decision. They also said officials would seek to keep the suspect close to Boston for potential court proceedings.


Since when do they put an injured person in a wheel chair in the field? I believe they use stretchers to transport people to an ambulance.

Why are you trying so hard to spin this story?

flamingdem

(39,331 posts)
2. Glad these were posted
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jul 2013

because these are the right visual memories of this incident.

The good work of the public servants of Boston.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
3. I gotta go with this one:
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:22 PM
Jul 2013

Pretty much sums up our local law enforcement. They get the guy, and they get milk if you're out and in a jam.

flamingdem

(39,331 posts)
4. I remember that photo and story and it
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:25 PM
Jul 2013

made me think it would be a-okay to live in Boston.

Edit: just kidding about the accent if you read that, my relatives are from there

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
6. It *is* a-okay
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:01 AM
Jul 2013

The bomber brothers had their last stand about a mile from our house. We expected the cops to be cool and effective, and they didn't disappoint.

Almost everything is so practical around here, so reasonable, and people are nice to each other.

Well, OK, weather sucks.

flamingdem

(39,331 posts)
8. Wow, your neighborhood!
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:17 AM
Jul 2013

I'm from the East Coast and miss everything but the weather.
Too many days scraping ice off car windows.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
9. It was pretty funny waking up at 5 AM, firing up the news on the iPad
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jul 2013

"Ah... there's a HumVee in front of my barber shop surrounded by guys in full battle gear... I wonder how the Bruins did... wait, THERE'S A HUMVEE IN FRONT OF MY BARBER SHOP SURROUNDED BY..."

I did go downstairs to make sure the door was locked, in case lil' bro was prowling here, but that was extremely unlikely - he'd have to cross the Mass Pike and there are only a few bridges he could get over, I'm sure that they stationed cops to keep an eye out at those.

Quiet day, didn't see a single cop.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
43. I would welcome de-icing my car
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:21 AM
Jul 2013

in place of what the east has put up with this entire week. I'm melting.

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
11. Boston did good that night,
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:31 AM
Jul 2013

didn't they, Manny!

Watertown Celebrating after the arrest~



Boston Strong

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
16. A little spoiling never hurt anyone.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:38 AM
Jul 2013

Boston deserves a little of that right now.

Hard to believe that it was only a few short months ago.

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
5. I don't Get "Relived of Duty"....
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:26 PM
Jul 2013

He might be pissed at Rolling stone Mag, But why is everything a fucking secret?

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
7. Well I guess you have to be from Boston...
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:13 AM
Jul 2013

If you had been following the news coverage that week, you would have seen some of this.

However the capture was in part televised. There was aerial footage.

Boston bomber arrested: how David Henneberry found Dzhokhar Tsarnaev in his garden


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10007969/Boston-bomber-arrested-how-David-Henneberry-found-Dzhokhar-Tsarnaev-in-his-garden.html


Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is searched by law enforcement officers (Reuters)

There is a video at the link.

It's not like it's a conspiracy or cover up.

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
15. No clue~
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:35 AM
Jul 2013

waiting for your update.

However it could be because be stole property that didn't belong to him. Just a guess though~

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
29. Yes, he took what belonged to both the defense and prosecution, state's evidence.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:05 AM
Jul 2013

Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:02 PM - Edit history (3)

But I can understand his rage at this cover. They could have been of the bombing itself and then put his 'Jim Morrison' look-a-like photo inside.

Beware:

A rambling rant is coming. Back away now if necessary.

The idea that Rolling Stone gets a pass for making a buck off of this is a Libertarian one. Nothing must stand in the way of the First Amendment and making a buck. Because money is free speech and corporations are people. Just ask Greenwald why he supports Citizens United.

Guess that makes Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and FNN okay for whatever they say. Why should anyone complain of having their feelings hurt? Don't react, don't say a thing, just accept getting kicked when you're down because the self-righteous bullies are gonna yell, 'It's my right!' To make a buck off your agony. It devalues human life, to turn it into fodder for profit.

Should Trayvon's family not be permitted to speak against the racist media atmosphere that killed their son and let his killer go free, because it's all just 'Freedom of Speech!' like the Teabaggers sing in chorus?

And NO ONE is censoring or stopping RS from publication of whatever they think will sell for profit. THAT line is never crossed in this country, NEVER. This magazine will go on without any hindrance, like Beck, Rush, etc. without being as ill-intended.

But the people of Boston cleaning up the wreckage in the lives of many, the trashing of a global event that resonated so much that the Marathon winner gave his medal to the citizens of Boston in honor of their pain; they are not allowed to speak without being called names or their motives degraded politically?

Are they not allowed to be angry, or outraged, because commerical journalism is being accused of being insensitive to their feelings? How far do we want to take this, when such commerical speech is valued so highly, that it is making policy and abusing the process of informing the citizenry daily, yet the words of Bostonians are being sneered at? Since they are not professional journalists, is that the dividing line on the worth of their words or experiences?

If that is the case, we are truly doomed as a nation, that we are only judging between the words of those paid to speak for media owners, the vast majority of which are conservative one-percenters, who daily ignore, malign and lie about the motivations of those who say they have a right by law to have services, a right to have an education, healthcare, and all the rest the well-organized and funded city of Boston represents, while pushing their newest variety of social darwinism.

Boston is a success story for liberal government and it exists as a counter to their nihilism, and thus it must be destroyed from the top to the bottom for the sake of the 'liberty and freedom.' Of the 1% that is, not the 99% that built Boston and this nation.

If we judge everything within the media lens, we are proving the USCoC and Koch brothers right. That dollars really do equal freedom of speech. Consider each dollar and each word paid for and produced as a vote.

This is a wonderful state of affairs to promote if you are a multi-billionaire. Their dollars and the people they pay to speak for them far exceed our numbers. There are 300 million Americans, but they are billions. We know that Jones is a JBS, Libertarian, GOP and a fan of James O'Keefe's work to bring down Democrats and liberals along with that nasty government. He carries out his mission with the zeal of a great entertainer.

We've seen Beck shilling openly for the GOP, the USCoC, the Koch Brothers, and all of that. And so is Rand Paul. Yet we let their words determine how we treat our peers, as they have 'points that should be made.' Weapons like knives have points, too. What of the hand that wields them? And the forces behind the hand?

While what RS did, was not as direct as Beck and Rush, and I will not boycott them, and am not from Boston, it was a gratuitous appeal to the youthfulness and doe eyed appearance of the defendant. Did they also post a picture of the less photogenic Zimmerman for an article in order to foster a genteel discussion of why he did what he did, like a tea party of aristocrats analyzing the fine points of the mewls of the dying peasants beneath their feet?

RS is not FNN. That's not what's going on in this case. But the actions being chatted about are worse than when Z murdered Trayvon. A certain number of people enjoy roaming the minds of serial killers, too. In this case, this guy slaughtered people for his cause. To sympathize with his cause is to believe that everything about the city of Boston that has made it work, that ended a week of being terrorized by a real life sitaution, is an evil fraud.

Also the defendant said he was amazed with how his good looks enabled him to influence others, or words to that effect. IOW, he could con people and did it without remorse. And his face on that cover does exactly that.

Most people understand that there is an emotional underpinning to what we say and do, and no one is less aware of this than the various forms of media. Who is RS trying to con, or are they not quite as clever as they make out to be? Is there an agenda, or is it just pandering to sell copies? Are either agendas so noble that they deserve our fealty?

I don't hate the defendant and am not worried about him being mistreated in any way. He is getting a far better defense team than Z had in Florida. A highly dedicated group of individuals who will do all in their power to see that this young man either is found not guilty or will mitigate his sentence in however they can.

I've known attorneys from Boston, of the ACLU variety. They are not going to let this guy be railroaded or mistreated. He will get a vastly superior defense than the majority of Americans will ever get.

I don't begrudge him that at all. In fact, if he is found not guilty, it's no skin off of my nose personally. The truth and not The Truth© that is being sold to us by CT shills, will be welcome even to those injured. They don't want a man wrongfully convicted and let the guilty run loose.

His trial or verdict, one way or another will not bring anyone back to life, will not reattach torn off legs, feet, hands, arms, eyes, faces, or the ability for lives most of us expect will be our lot.

On the other hand, if I appear to be inconsistent, the Zimmerman case was not in a crowd. And he pretty much shot himself in the foot with his media appearances and own words. He has had his day in the media court, and court in Sanford.

The suspect here will no doubt generate a fan club or a different variety than Z, just as the the Menendez brothers and many others in American Idol land.

In this case, there still remains a possibility, despite eye witness testimony by Bauman, that he will not be convicted. Some CTers say Bauman did not lose his legs in the bombing, amd that the man who helped him, formerly adored by the left as antiwar, was a fraud as well. How fickle the public is.

What CTers are saying is hurtful to the people of Boston, saying it is all a fraud, no one was hurt, just like Newtown, all actors covering up for an agenda to take away guns, just as was brought into arguments here, that the people of Boston needed guns to protect themselves. And not the police state Bostonians were called cowards for agreeing to being asked to stay in their homes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101661629

Very easy to say the Libertarian solution is the only one that is right, as Beck and Jones promise us that a full Nazi state is just around this corner. Or that corner, some other corner. Keep looking for it, be afraid of anyone that says 'I'm from the government,' like Reagan said. But Reagan was no freedom fighter in the sense that a liberal thinks - he was, though, the spiritual, philosophic and economic basis of the Tea Party.

The same voices will suggest we buy water filters and gold for the coming collapse that they are selling us on, but never seems to happen. Because it won't, things will simply be re-aligned and those who have will keep on having and those who are being robbed by the Libertarian paradise they promote will keep being robbed, unless they unite to hold onto the government and run the plutocrats out.

Beck and Jones are shills for the plutocracy while making out to be populists. It's all so entertaining, cynical and very effective.

And this parade of insults is for a community that has endured Glen Beck turning the bombing to fit into one of his very profitable, emotionally charged and dishonest narratives, using the shell shocked citizens there into unwilling bit players in his circus. The grifters didn't even wait for the blood to be cleaned up:

Glenn Beck compares hunt for Boston Marathon bomber to Nazi Germany

April 29, 2013 By Michael Ross



You had to know he would get around to it sooner or later.

This morning on his radio program, Glenn Beck spent several minutes discussing a photo reportedly taken during the hunt for suspected Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev which shows a police officer riding in a Humvee who appears to be aiming his rifle up at the person taking the photo through a window...



Beck then claimed to find the image particularly disturbing because it reminded him of something he learned when visiting Auschwitz, which was that the Nazis would murder anyone who dared to so much as look out the window when they came to haul away Jewish families living in a neighborhood.



Glenn Beck compares the manhunt for the Boston Marathon bomber to the Nazis. Credit: Rightwingwatch.org

"So there were no eyewitnesses to anything because they had trained them," said Beck. "You make that mistake one time and the entire neighborhood and the town realize when they say stay in the house, they mean stay in your house. When they say don't look out the window, don't approach a window, don't look at what's going on, you don't or they'll kill you..."

A lot more goodies at link:

http://www.examiner.com/article/glenn-beck-compares-hunt-for-boston-marathon-bomber-to-nazi-germany

How very original of Glenn and the rest of the gang...


At the same time, Boston had to endure the Infowars franchisees from the Westboro Baptist Church school of journalism with their claims of a 'false flag.' They came to town and claimed the FBI and the police themselves committed the bombing.

This is what they claimed about the First Responders, the ones who carried the injured and dead and had to stop another bombing from taking place. The ones who saw their neighbors suffering and ran to help instead of standing aside like a film audience and jeering at the people who didn't have time to stand aside.

The same crew showed up with the same condescending, 'I know something you don't know, you brainwashed sheeple' singsong and attitude to Boston they brought to each town after the shootings in Newtown, Aurora, the Sikh temple and Oklahoma tornadoes, to any place local citizens sought to prevent more death. Talk about rubbing the salt in the wound. They reek of 1% arrogance with their insistence on demoralizing people, and that's their agenda, not truth telling.

I'm going to divide this line from above about how the vampiric media is hurting people there, for anyone who wants to go that journey as it what is underneath the words being said about the authorities in Boston:

They came to town and claimed that the FBI and the police themselves committed the bombing.

...that the FBI and the police themselves committed the bombing.

...and the police themselves committed the bombing.


The clear charge that has been made is that the police themselves stood by or even committed the crime, is that they are guilty of such soulless and cruel behavior toward the people they have been sworn to protect, many of whom they were related to as family, friends and co-workers and were injured.

That's about as damning as it gets. It's saying they murdered the innocents. That they committed a crime against humanity. That is what Beck is selling there with his deeply flawed parallel reality, the same way that Infowars does.

This had to have hurt deeply for this officer to have reacted as he did and get himself in trouble, as he wanted to clear his profession. his friends and neighbors of the charges that have been made of the suspect being badly treated, that they were out to kill all the witnesses and keep the truth from coming out in this matter.

Just as Beck and Jones said.

These are very serious charges being laid at their feet by the CT shills. And the zealots don't give a damn, as long as the money and the thrills keep on coming.

The assault on all civil authority is coming from the same sources who want public schools and the social safety net gone with no regulation enforced. They daily demoralize the public, demonize and defund public institutions created to protect people from the same plutocrats that pay them.

In doing so they mobilize for the civil war the 1% wants to happen, the constitutional crisis they are itching for, to eliminate the last obstacle to plutocratic rule.

Just because it's wrapped up in plain paper for the masses doesn't mean it's not part of what the 1% wants, to have us going at each other's throats and destroying the government all institutions that are so deeply flawed they must be destroyed for freedom and liberty.

The essential part of the narrative they never delve into is that the default will result in our living under religious and corporate authorities, and no redress.

This is perfect, this is selling the public on the ideas of the 1% and against those who are working for them. And is why I don't buy the story that continual trashing of the government is a winning strategy for change. Because that requires enthusiasm for the imperfect instrument of social safety nets, health care and rights for the poor and minorities that Democrats represent no matter what. As the song Freewill goes, 'If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.'

Not supporting those working for change, just standing back and jeering, is a vote fo the status quo, the Koch brothers, theocrats and the 1%, because they are the default power, eager for you to lose faith in a We The People government that makes our lives better, but only in proportion that we bite the bullet and join into it to make change.

The old saying is, 'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.' I see no solutions being offered at DU most days, just tearing down. No practical alternatives to change things will result in a default to 1% schemes. It's dishonest to complain about what the Tea Party and GOP are doing, and at the same time trash their only opposition. Because it ensures their continued success.



sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
39. Oh god...here we go again.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:44 AM
Jul 2013

Boston in the lime light again, preparing to get bashed.

Is this going to go on for the next six weeks before the trial starts?

There are a few on this thread that think he is innocent. That Tsarnaev was treated like an animal when he was taken to one of Bostons best hospitals?

Thanks for your research, freshwest. Damn talk about opening wounds that are only three months old.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
30. The second of two replies to you, Sheshe, on what Boston has endured:
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:09 AM
Jul 2013
Man Who Trashed Alex Jones Infowars Dan Bidondi. 'It's Westboro Baptist Church Of Journalism.'



Published on Apr 30, 2013

VIDEO description:


The Boston man behind a viral video featuring him berating a reporter for Alex Jones' conspiracy theory website InfoWars appears on MSNBC with Martin Bashir on Tuesday where he clarified and expanded on his animus towards the website and its employees. The Boston-based video maker said that InfoWars had become the "Westboro Baptist Church of journalism," suggesting the site exists to be provocative and to agitate Americans already grieving in the wake of tragic events.

RELATED: 'You Son Of A B*tch': Furious Boston Man Confronts 'A**hole' Alex Jones Reporter Over 'False Flag' Allegations

Roger Nicholson, the man behind the camera in this viral video hurling a series of angry expletives at an InfoWars camera man who claims to have the images which prove the FBI orchestrated the April 15 attack on the Boston Marathon, joined Bashir on Friday to continue his anti-InfoWars crusade.

Nicholson told Bashir that he was frustrated by the reporter who had been "hijacking" a series of press conferences held by law enforcement in the wake of the Boston attacks.

"I had a dear friend of mine who was at the Marathon when the bomb went off," Nicholson said. "I was very affected by her -- what she had experienced."

"I just felt very angry that InfoWars came to my town to start making show material," he added.

"To me, the InfoWars -- whatever that show is -- has become the Westboro Baptist Church of Journalism," Nicholson declared. "I think these people are un-American, and unpatriotic, and they're hysterics."

Bashir asked if there was anything that Nicholson would like to say to Alex Jones. Nicholson said Jones was the equivalent of the "David Koresh of broadcasting," referring to the leader of the Branch Dividian cult.



freshwest

(53,661 posts)
12. It's not a secret. It's evidence that might compromise the defense or the prosecution.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:32 AM
Jul 2013

I've thought about it because I was wondering about him being relieved of duty. The 'let's put it all out there for the public to see' mentality is not alawys a good thing,, but like entertainment news media.

It's not a secret at all, there is no mystery in the process. As a defendant, I don't think I'd like to see every moment of my life put out there for people who are not in any way involved in the case who are looking to make money off misery to escape ennui.

If I was on trial, I wouldn't want over emotional members of the public to go to my job, my house, harrass my friends and family, and go over my life with a fine toothed comb. We see what happened with the eternal thug Zimmermann. Even though he was definitely putting all his laundry out in public for profit and to taint the jury pool.

As an officer, Sean Murphy is responsible for maintaining the chain of custody on evidence. He broke it and it may not be able to be used for the jury, for all I know.

He should not be fired, I think he should be reprimanded or whatever they do. But in a high-profile situation as this, the stakes are high for both the defense and prosecution. Not as a game - they both believe in what they are doing, it is their life's work, they have trained for this.

There are many raw feelings in Boston and speculation will not serve justice or a fair trial. Enough drama has occured in this whole thing without cheap shots being made and ignorant commentary. I expect it will get really ugly by the time the trial starts and will deeply hurt a number of people here who are in the process of trying to heal those maimed in Boston.

Just my thoughts.

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
19. Well said freshwest!
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:47 AM
Jul 2013

and you're right.

There are many raw feelings in Boston and speculation will not serve justice or a fair trial. Enough drama has occured in this whole thing without cheap shots being made and ignorant commentary. I expect it will get really ugly by the time the trial starts and will deeply hurt a number of people here who are in the process of trying to heal those maimed in Boston.


We are still hurt. The day the article came out in People magazine about the amputees. I took it to work to read at lunch. I got to the first page and started crying. I had to put it away to read at home.

Thanks for what you said. I didn't even think about it being evidence.

flamingdem

(39,331 posts)
20. It's understandable that he made them public
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:48 AM
Jul 2013

because the wound is too recent and there had to be a response of some kind.
I hope they don't fire him permanently.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
24. He is being treated like a human being.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:41 AM
Jul 2013

If he was being treated like any other sort of animal, they would have shot him right then and there.

He will get his day in court. He will get his opportunity to prove his innocence if possible, or to mitigate his sentence if he can.

 

temmer

(358 posts)
25. He was denied his Miranda rights
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:52 AM
Jul 2013

Judge Marianne Bowler had to break her way through the FBI crowd to get to his hospital bed.

Well - State Attourney Carmen Ortiz has a history of bad hehavior towards defendants.



Aaron Swartz R.I.P.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
28. Not giving him his miranda warning, and respecting his fifth amendment right
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:04 AM
Jul 2013

not to incriminate himself was a low point.

A civil rights violation that should ALSO be prosecuted.

sheshe2

(83,933 posts)
36. He was taken to one the best hospitals, Beth Israel Deaconess...
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:26 AM
Jul 2013

The same hospital that some of the survivors of the blast were taken to.

Who is doing the brainwashing here!

Cha

(297,733 posts)
41. Unreal, she! "brainwashing" because they're
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:26 AM
Jul 2013

sticking up for the bomber.. he was treated so badly.

Sorry, but I don't see that, at all.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
23. Those are exactly the PERFECT pictures to remember him by. His legacy.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:40 AM
Jul 2013

Broken. Pleading. Captured to be brought to justice.

No martyr. No glorious cause. No followers. Just a murdering scumbag brought low by his own noxious actions.

 

temmer

(358 posts)
26. I don't understand you
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:54 AM
Jul 2013

Do you believe it' possible that he's innocent (as you said in your previous post)?

Or do you know for soure that he's a "murdering scumbag"?

Contradiction.





AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
27. I accept, based on the public evidence that he is a murdering scumbag.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:03 AM
Jul 2013

I would wait till, and unless a court of law finds him actually guilty before anyone attempts any sort of retribution.

A hypothetical. I awake in a room with him. I have a gun. He is restrained. Would I harm him?


No, I would not. I am not a jury, I am not a judge. It is not my function to pass judgment on someone like him. I would become something like him, if I were to try. I can see my own shortcomings just fine.

But I damn sure can make a reasonable estimate for my own purposes whether I think he is guilty or not.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
33. I also accept that some will doubt the charges against him.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:15 AM
Jul 2013

I don't have a problem with that. Though, I don't imagine a guilty verdict would be any more believable for those that doubt the official story.

An interesting quandary.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
35. Ok, the Rolling Stone pictures were a bit romantic (in the Lord Byron sort of way)
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:25 AM
Jul 2013

But, realistically what can be done about that? Should government agents vet people's photos? Should people go to jail over a picture that doesn't make a criminal sufficiently ugly? Or should we be mature enough to realize that beauty and goodness don't necessarily correlate, regardless of what Keats said.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
40. The reason that fundies don't like these photos released
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:55 AM
Jul 2013

And the others, particularly from Rolling Stone, is because they humanize the person. That keeps you from letting them pass things like the PATRIOT ACT. You just feel sad for them and disappointed that such things can happen. Not angry at a crazy person.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
44. fuck that worthless piece of shit - he's not a victim
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 09:06 AM
Jul 2013

here's a victim




Boston Marathon victim still fighting to keep leg months after bombing

After 13 surgeries aimed at saving her lower left leg, including one that used live back muscle to cover an open and infected wound, a mother seriously hurt in the Boston Marathon bombings has managed to keep that injured limb – for now



http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/16/18986893-boston-marathon-victim-still-fighting-to-keep-leg-months-after-bombing-i-could-not-have-it-tomorrow?lite

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
46. 13 surgeries, more to come, and her children affected too. Real people, real pain.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:13 PM
Jul 2013

This is why the wounds of the people of Boston are still raw, the pain nowhere near over, yet some in media will dance on them with glee.

The defendant's supporters in media can't bring themselves to admit there were victims, some of them. They didn't make the front page of the magazine, they aren't sexy.

The CT media says they are all actors, that they didn't see any injuries and will not utter a word for them. Since they really don't exist, do they?



Thanks for bringing some uncomfortable truths to this.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Arrest ...